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OK well unless you were in the truck with them you'll have to take it up with the PA state police:
I wasn't stating opinion there.
Nothing the State Police said support the idea that the gun magically discharged on its own. The adult can say whatever he wants but it does not change the facts. If this firearm discharged "as he's laying it down", it's because he, accidentally I'm sure, pulled the trigger in the process of laying it down. Firearms just don't go off. Hermick is right, that it was an accident, but he never claimed it discharged on its own.
Anyone with a modicum of understand of how firearms operate knows this.
The father also violated a sacred rule of firearm safety, he allowed the muzzle to point at something he didn't intend to destroy.
While I wasn't in the vehicle at the time, I assure you SOMEONE pulled the trigger.
OK well as I said, take it up with the State PoliceThey investigated; you didn't. Denial goes a long way but it's rhetorically worthless.
OK well as I said, take it up with the State Police
Yes, they did investigate and never did they find that the gun discharged on it's own...because it can't happen.
I am trying to prove that Mike K is an idiot. Do you want to make the same stupid assertions so I can bet you too?
No, I have actually witnessed first hand when a trained professional has made a mistake regarding a gun.
When I was 14 I watched bullet fragments be removed from my brothers face.. But you can continue to act like a know it all, it's always fun to watch.
I am arguing that no one, even trained professionals, is perfect, and you think I am stupid. That sounds like the typical response of a person suffering senile dementia.
Less then 1000 people a year die from accidental discharge of a firearm. But then you don't care about that fact do you? Hell there are 40 to 50 thousand a year killed in car accidents, lets ban private ownership of cars. FOR the children of course.
Nope. You're simply wrong. Unless the firearm has a serious defect in it's construction, someone MUST pull the trigger in order for it to discharge. There is nothing to suggest this firearm was manufactured, or tinkered with, in such a way that would cause it to fire without pulling the trigger.
The guy left a round in the chamber. Tragic mistake. However, the gun didn't just "go off", either he or the kid, pulled the trigger.
OK well unless you were in the truck with them you'll have to take it up with the PA state police:
State police Lt. Eric Hermick said Sunday the father had secured a rifle in the back of the truck and placed his pistol on the console when the handgun went off. Hermick said police are reviewing surveillance video from the store, which helped lay out the chain of events; the video is not being released.
"It is very clear-cut exactly what transpired here," Hermick said of what he called clearly an accident. "As he's laying it down, it discharges."
I wasn't stating opinion there.
Nothing the State Police said support the idea that the gun magically discharged on its own. The adult can say whatever he wants but it does not change the facts. If this firearm discharged "as he's laying it down", it's because he, accidentally I'm sure, pulled the trigger in the process of laying it down. Firearms just don't go off. Hermick is right, that it was an accident, but he never claimed it discharged on its own.
Anyone with a modicum of understand of how firearms operate knows this.
The father also violated a sacred rule of firearm safety, he allowed the muzzle to point at something he didn't intend to destroy.
While I wasn't in the vehicle at the time, I assure you SOMEONE pulled the trigger.
OK well as I said, take it up with the State Police
Yes, they did investigate and never did they find that the gun discharged on it's own...because it can't happen.
Again -- see my last note. Absolute thinking, especially on an incident you didn't see, will drown you in the River Denial.
And I believe the PA State Police know their way around guns.
Why take a child to a gun shop to begin with?
Why would you take a child into a car dealership? Both sell items that are potentially dangerous.
Or are you suggesting children should be kept ignorant to all that is potentially dangerous?
Bravo, fuckehead, bravo
When you are done firing a weapon, you take the magazine out, put the weapon on safe, and you check the chamber to make sure nothing is in it. If something is in the chamber, you point the weapon downrange, take the weapon off safe, and fire again.
Which is why there should be laws against utter stupidity - so idiots like this would face charges.
OK well unless you were in the truck with them you'll have to take it up with the PA state police:
I wasn't stating opinion there.
Nothing the State Police said support the idea that the gun magically discharged on its own. The adult can say whatever he wants but it does not change the facts. If this firearm discharged "as he's laying it down", it's because he, accidentally I'm sure, pulled the trigger in the process of laying it down. Firearms just don't go off. Hermick is right, that it was an accident, but he never claimed it discharged on its own.
Anyone with a modicum of understand of how firearms operate knows this.
The father also violated a sacred rule of firearm safety, he allowed the muzzle to point at something he didn't intend to destroy.
While I wasn't in the vehicle at the time, I assure you SOMEONE pulled the trigger.
I don't think Pogo has the basic understanding of firearms. The trigger was pulled and I'm guessing it was a "hair trigger" less than 1 pound. Typical handguns have a trigger pull of 8 to 15 pounds. Most law enforcement, well the ones that buy weapons from me, like the trigger pull to be around 4.5 to 5 pounds which is also the way I set mine. Rifles on the other hand usually have a trigger pull of 5 pounds.
Why take a child to a gun shop to begin with?
Why would you take a child into a car dealership? Both sell items that are potentially dangerous.
Or are you suggesting children should be kept ignorant to all that is potentially dangerous?
I wouldn't take a child to a gun shop or a venomous snake shop. Shit happens as you can see by this story.
Why would you take a child into a car dealership? Both sell items that are potentially dangerous.
Or are you suggesting children should be kept ignorant to all that is potentially dangerous?
I wouldn't take a child to a gun shop or a venomous snake shop. Shit happens as you can see by this story.
Your kid, your choice.
Personally, if I lived in venomous snake country, I would take my kid to the snake shop so that he might be able to identify dangerous reptiles that are best avoided in the wild.
I think more education is a good think and willful ignorance bad. You are free to choose differently for your child.
Yes, they did investigate and never did they find that the gun discharged on it's own...because it can't happen.
Again -- see my last note. Absolute thinking, especially on an incident you didn't see, will drown you in the River Denial.
Absolute thinking like being just sure this firearm discharged on its own? What was that about denial?
And I believe the PA State Police know their way around guns.
Perhaps, but they never said nor implied the firearm discharged on its own. They said it was an accident, which it was. They said the father said it discharged as he was laying it down, which it may very well have...because he pulled the trigger.
Again -- see my last note. Absolute thinking, especially on an incident you didn't see, will drown you in the River Denial.
Absolute thinking like being just sure this firearm discharged on its own? What was that about denial?
And I believe the PA State Police know their way around guns.
Perhaps, but they never said nor implied the firearm discharged on its own. They said it was an accident, which it was. They said the father said it discharged as he was laying it down, which it may very well have...because he pulled the trigger.
It must be a heavy burden to know everything, even about events you didn't see. I'm not sure I'd care for that. In any case I'll take the word of a trained state cop on the record over an anonymous internet poster who knows all/sees all.
This tangent just exhibits again my main point: the stretch some people will go to, to preserve, protect and defend Lord Gun Almighty, even at the expense of an innocent kid's life, which becomes just a tool to be stepped over. That priority is the part I find interesting.
But no, Bob Costas, we don't have a "gun culture", nooooo...
Again -- see my last note. Absolute thinking, especially on an incident you didn't see, will drown you in the River Denial.
Absolute thinking like being just sure this firearm discharged on its own? What was that about denial?
And I believe the PA State Police know their way around guns.
Perhaps, but they never said nor implied the firearm discharged on its own. They said it was an accident, which it was. They said the father said it discharged as he was laying it down, which it may very well have...because he pulled the trigger.
It must be a heavy burden to know everything, even about events you didn't see. I'm not sure I'd care for that. In any case I'll take the word of a trained state cop on the record over an anonymous internet poster who knows all/sees all.
This tangent just exhibits again my main point: the stretch some people will go to, to preserve, protect and defend Lord Gun Almighty, even at the expense of an innocent kid's life, which becomes just a tool to be stepped over. That priority is the part I find interesting.
No, we just understand what it takes for a firearm to discharge. You can't alter the physical universe to adhere to your political ideas.
Why take a child to a gun shop to begin with?
]All I know is a state cop who investigated says the guy was laying the gun down and it just went off, and an anoymous internet poster says that's impossible.* I'm not saying who's right. I'm just saying who's credible.
No, we just understand what it takes for a firearm to discharge. You can't alter the physical universe to adhere to your political ideas.
Nor do I want to. All I know is a state cop who investigated says the guy was laying the gun down and it just went off,
* And if it is impossible then why would gun safety include the cardinal rule to never point the thing at something you don't intend to destroy?
If it's "impossible", such a rule would be unnecessary. .
I run rings around you logically
No, we just understand what it takes for a firearm to discharge. You can't alter the physical universe to adhere to your political ideas.
Nor do I want to. All I know is a state cop who investigated says the guy was laying the gun down and it just went off, and an anoymous internet poster says that's impossible.* I'm not saying who's right. I'm just saying who's credible.
* And if it is impossible then why would gun safety include the cardinal rule to never point the thing at something you don't intend to destroy? If it's "impossible", such a rule would be unnecessary. I run rings around you logically.
If anyone here was willfully ignorant it was the guy with the loaded gun.
You people could justify anything. And your car analogy is about as stupid as stupid gets.
