PM to Abbas

[Phoenall]

Links to what, your refusal to accept the Jews have rights. All you need do is look at your own posts when you deny them these rights. The rights to defend are in the UN charter, geneva conventions and IHL that you have been given thousands of times in the past. Why dont you read them and see just what rights the Jews have.

Your usual duck. You never quote passages because nothing there agrees with what you claim.

How about your post prior to this where you deny the Jews there right to migrate and colonise the lands of palestine granted by the 2 soveriegn land owners from 1850 to 1948.

Yiou are the one that ducks everytime your words are used against you and show you constantly deny the Jews their legal, moral and civil rights

Who owned Palestine?

Links with passages?

WHEN ? as prior to 1917 it was Ottoman empire who handed it over to the LoN in 1917 as reparations. Then in 1948 the Jews declared independence on the 22% alloctaed as their NATIONal home.


What links would you accept that have not already been given and ignored

Your usual duck.

Who owned Palestine?

Links with passages?

Are you denying history now

Treaty of Sèvres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Sèvres treaty marked the beginning of the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire, and its ultimate annihilation. The terms it stipulated included the renunciation of all non-Turkish territory that was part of the Ottoman Empire and their cession to the Allied administration.[5] Notably, the ceding of Eastern Mediterranean land allowed the creation of, amongst others, the British Mandate of Palestine and the French Mandate of Syria.[6]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne

The Treaty of Lausanne ended the conflict and defined the borders of the modern Turkish Republic. In the treaty, Turkey gave up all claims to the remainder of the Ottoman Empire and in return the Allies recognized Turkish sovereignty within its new borders.




There you go no mention of palestine as such or of the arab muslims being the owners

 

[Phoenall]

So once again you deny the Jews their rights to international law because it would mean the palestinians will be outvoted. The LoN were the soveriegn land owners from 1917 and they granted the worlds jews the right to migrate and colonise the lands of palestine granted to them as their future NATIONal home.


Your post above is the link you asked for isnt it, as it shows you deny the Jews their rights under international laws.

Colonists have rights?

Links?

Mandate of palestine. UN charter.

No quotes, of course.

You have the full links to read at your liesure so you can report back that you are wrong and the Jews do have rights



YOU JUST CANT BRING YOURSELF TO ADMIT THAT THE JEWS HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS THE ARAB MUSLIMS, AND THAT THEY HAVE MORE WHEN IT COMES TO PALESTINE

You don't quote passages because because nothing in there agrees with what you claim.

Because you ignore them and then ask for the same thing shortly after




The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

ARTICLE 1.
The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.

ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 3.
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

ART. 6.

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ART. 7.

The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

ART. 8.
The privileges and immunities of foreigners, including the benefits of consular jurisdiction and protection as formerly enjoyed by Capitulation or usage in the Ottoman Empire, shall not be applicable in Palestine.

Unless the Powers whose nationals enjoyed the afore-mentioned privileges and immunities on August 1st, 1914, shall have previously renounced the right to their re-establishment, or shall have agreed to their non-application for a specified period, these privileges and immunities shall, at the expiration of the mandate, be immediately reestablished in their entirety or with such modifications as may have been agreed upon between the Powers concerned.

ART. 9.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that the judicial system established in Palestine shall assure to foreigners, as well as to natives, a complete guarantee of their rights.

Respect for the personal status of the various peoples and communities and for their religious interests shall be fully guaranteed. In particular, the control and administration of Wakfs shall be exercised in accordance with religious law and the dispositions of the founders.

ART. 10.
Pending the making of special extradition agreements relating to Palestine, the extradition treaties in force between the Mandatory and other foreign Powers shall apply to Palestine.

ART. 11.
The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.

ART. 12.
The Mandatory shall be entrusted with the control of the foreign relations of Palestine and the right to issue exequaturs to consuls appointed by foreign Powers. He shall also be entitled to afford diplomatic and consular protection to citizens of Palestine when outside its territorial limits.

ART. 13.
All responsibility in connection with the Holy Places and religious buildings or sites in Palestine, including that of preserving existing rights and of securing free access to the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites and the free exercise of worship, while ensuring the requirements of public order and decorum, is assumed by the Mandatory, who shall be responsible solely to the League of Nations in all matters connected herewith, provided that nothing in this article shall prevent the Mandatory from entering into such arrangements as he may deem reasonable with the Administration for the purpose of carrying the provisions of this article into effect; and provided also that nothing in this mandate shall be construed as conferring upon the Mandatory authority to interfere with the fabric or the management of purely Moslem sacred shrines, the immunities of which are guaranteed.

ART. 14.
A special commission shall be appointed by the Mandatory to study, define and determine the rights and claims in connection with the Holy Places and the rights and claims relating to the different religious communities in Palestine. The method of nomination, the composition and the functions of this Commission shall be submitted to the Council of the League for its approval, and the Commission shall not be appointed or enter upon its functions without the approval of the Council.

ART. 15.
The Mandatory shall see that complete freedom of conscience and the free exercise of all forms of worship, subject only to the maintenance of public order and morals, are ensured to all. No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants of Palestine on the ground of race, religion or language. No person shall be excluded from Palestine on the sole ground of his religious belief.

The right of each community to maintain its own schools for the education of its own members in its own language, while conforming to such educational requirements of a general nature as the Administration may impose, shall not be denied or impaired.

ART. 16.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for exercising such supervision over religious or eleemosynary bodies of all faiths in Palestine as may be required for the maintenance of public order and good government. Subject to such supervision, no measures shall be taken in Palestine to obstruct or interfere with the enterprise of such bodies or to discriminate against any representative or member of them on the ground of his religion or nationality.

ART. 17.
The Administration of Palestine may organist on a voluntary basis the forces necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defence of the country, subject, however, to the supervision of the Mandatory, but shall not use them for purposes other than those above specified save with the consent of the Mandatory. Except for such purposes, no military, naval or air forces shall be raised or maintained by the Administration of Palestine.

Nothing in this article shall preclude the Administration of Palestine from contributing to the cost of the maintenance of the forces of the Mandatory in Palestine.

The Mandatory shall be entitled at all times to use the roads, railways and ports of Palestine for the movement of armed forces and the carriage of fuel and supplies.

ART. 18.
The Mandatory shall see that there is no discrimination in Palestine against the nationals of any State Member of the League of Nations (including companies incorporated under its laws) as compared with those of the Mandatory or of any foreign State in matters concerning taxation, commerce or navigation, the exercise of industries or professions, or in the treatment of merchant vessels or civil aircraft. Similarly, there shall be no discrimination in Palestine against goods originating in or destined for any of the said States, and there shall be freedom of transit under equitable conditions across the mandated area.

Subject as aforesaid and to the other provisions of this mandate, the Administration of Palestine may, on the advice of the Mandatory, impose such taxes and customs duties as it may consider necessary, and take such steps as it may think best to promote the development of the natural resources of the country and to safeguard the interests of the population. It may also, on the advice of the Mandatory, conclude a special customs agreement with any State the territory of which in 1914 was wholly included in Asiatic Turkey or Arabia.

ART. 19.
The Mandatory shall adhere on behalf of the Administration of Palestine to any general international conventions already existing, or which may be concluded hereafter with the approval of the League of Nations, respecting the slave traffic, the traffic in arms and ammunition, or the traffic in drugs, or relating to commercial equality, freedom of transit and navigation, aerial navigation and postal, telegraphic and wireless communication or literary, artistic or industrial property.

ART. 20.
The Mandatory shall co-operate on behalf of the Administration of Palestine, so far as religious, social and other conditions may permit, in the execution of any common policy adopted by the League of Nations for preventing and combating disease, including diseases of plants and animals.

ART. 21.
The Mandatory shall secure the enactment within twelve months from this date, and shall ensure the execution of a Law of Antiquities based on the following rules. This law shall ensure equality of treatment in the matter of excavations and archaeological research to the nationals of all States Members of the League of Nations.

(1) "Antiquity" means any construction or any product of human activity earlier than the year 1700 A. D.

(2) The law for the protection of antiquities shall proceed by encouragement rather than by threat.

Any person who, having discovered an antiquity without being furnished with the authorization referred to in paragraph 5, reports the same to an official of the competent Department, shall be rewarded according to the value of the discovery.

(3) No antiquity may be disposed of except to the competent Department, unless this Department renounces the acquisition of any such antiquity.

No antiquity may leave the country without an export licence from the said Department.

(4) Any person who maliciously or negligently destroys or damages an antiquity shall be liable to a penalty to be fixed.

(5) No clearing of ground or digging with the object of finding antiquities shall be permitted, under penalty of fine, except to persons authorised by the competent Department.

(6) Equitable terms shall be fixed for expropriation, temporary or permanent, of lands which might be of historical or archaeological interest.

(7) Authorization to excavate shall only be granted to persons who show sufficient guarantees of archaeological experience. The Administration of Palestine shall not, in granting these authorizations, act in such a way as to exclude scholars of any nation without good grounds.

(8) The proceeds of excavations may be divided between the excavator and the competent Department in a proportion fixed by that Department. If division seems impossible for scientific reasons, the excavator shall receive a fair indemnity in lieu of a part of the find.

ART. 22.
English, Arabic and Hebrew shall be the official languages of Palestine. Any statement or inscription in Arabic on stamps or money in Palestine shall be repeated in Hebrew and any statement or inscription in Hebrew shall be repeated in Arabic.

ART. 23.
The Administration of Palestine shall recognise the holy days of the respective communities in Palestine as legal days of rest for the members of such communities.

ART. 24.
The Mandatory shall make to the Council of the League of Nations an annual report to the satisfaction of the Council as to the measures taken during the year to carry out the provisions of the mandate. Copies of all laws and regulations promulgated or issued during the year shall be communicated with the report.

ART. 25.
In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions, and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18.

ART. 26.
The Mandatory agrees that, if any dispute whatever should arise between the Mandatory and another member of the League of Nations relating to the interpretation or the application of the provisions of the mandate, such dispute, if it cannot be settled by negotiation, shall be submitted to the Permanent Court of International Justice provided for by Article 14 of the Covenant of the League of Nations.

ART. 27.
The consent of the Council of the League of Nations is required for any modification of the terms of this mandate.

ART. 28.
In the event of the termination of the mandate hereby conferred upon the Mandatory, the Council of the League of Nations shall make such arrangements as may be deemed necessary for safeguarding in perpetuity, under guarantee of the League, the rights secured by Articles 13 and 14, and shall use its influence for securing, under the guarantee of the League, that the Government of Palestine will fully honour the financial obligations legitimately incurred by the Administration of Palestine during the period of the mandate, including the rights of public servants to pensions or gratuities.

The present instrument shall be deposited in original in the archives of the League of Nations and certified copies shall be forwarded by the Secretary-General of the League of Nations to all members of the League.

Done at London the twenty-fourth day of July, one thousand nine hundred and twenty-two.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Your usual duck. You never quote passages because nothing there agrees with what you claim.

How about your post prior to this where you deny the Jews there right to migrate and colonise the lands of palestine granted by the 2 soveriegn land owners from 1850 to 1948.

Yiou are the one that ducks everytime your words are used against you and show you constantly deny the Jews their legal, moral and civil rights

Who owned Palestine?

Links with passages?

WHEN ? as prior to 1917 it was Ottoman empire who handed it over to the LoN in 1917 as reparations. Then in 1948 the Jews declared independence on the 22% alloctaed as their NATIONal home.


What links would you accept that have not already been given and ignored

Your usual duck.

Who owned Palestine?

Links with passages?

Are you denying history now

Treaty of Sèvres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Sèvres treaty marked the beginning of the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire, and its ultimate annihilation. The terms it stipulated included the renunciation of all non-Turkish territory that was part of the Ottoman Empire and their cession to the Allied administration.[5] Notably, the ceding of Eastern Mediterranean land allowed the creation of, amongst others, the British Mandate of Palestine and the French Mandate of Syria.[6]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne

The Treaty of Lausanne ended the conflict and defined the borders of the modern Turkish Republic. In the treaty, Turkey gave up all claims to the remainder of the Ottoman Empire and in return the Allies recognized Turkish sovereignty within its new borders.




There you go no mention of palestine as such or of the arab muslims being the owners

None of the new states were mentioned by name.

Neither the LoN nor the Mandates claimed sovereignty. The Mandate's function was to bring the inhabitants of their respective new states to independence. The inhabitants were the sovereigns in their new states under the rule of popular sovereignty.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Colonists have rights?

Links?

Mandate of palestine. UN charter.

No quotes, of course.

You have the full links to read at your liesure so you can report back that you are wrong and the Jews do have rights



YOU JUST CANT BRING YOURSELF TO ADMIT THAT THE JEWS HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS THE ARAB MUSLIMS, AND THAT THEY HAVE MORE WHEN IT COMES TO PALESTINE

You don't quote passages because because nothing in there agrees with what you claim.

Because you ignore them and then ask for the same thing shortly after




The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

ARTICLE 1.
The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.

ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 3.
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

ART. 6.

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ART. 7.

The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

ART. 8.
The privileges and immunities of foreigners, including the benefits of consular jurisdiction and protection as formerly enjoyed by Capitulation or usage in the Ottoman Empire, shall not be applicable in Palestine.

Unless the Powers whose nationals enjoyed the afore-mentioned privileges and immunities on August 1st, 1914, shall have previously renounced the right to their re-establishment, or shall have agreed to their non-application for a specified period, these privileges and immunities shall, at the expiration of the mandate, be immediately reestablished in their entirety or with such modifications as may have been agreed upon between the Powers concerned.

ART. 9.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that the judicial system established in Palestine shall assure to foreigners, as well as to natives, a complete guarantee of their rights.

Respect for the personal status of the various peoples and communities and for their religious interests shall be fully guaranteed. In particular, the control and administration of Wakfs shall be exercised in accordance with religious law and the dispositions of the founders.

ART. 10.
Pending the making of special extradition agreements relating to Palestine, the extradition treaties in force between the Mandatory and other foreign Powers shall apply to Palestine.

ART. 11.
The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.

ART. 12.
The Mandatory shall be entrusted with the control of the foreign relations of Palestine and the right to issue exequaturs to consuls appointed by foreign Powers. He shall also be entitled to afford diplomatic and consular protection to citizens of Palestine when outside its territorial limits.

ART. 13.
All responsibility in connection with the Holy Places and religious buildings or sites in Palestine, including that of preserving existing rights and of securing free access to the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites and the free exercise of worship, while ensuring the requirements of public order and decorum, is assumed by the Mandatory, who shall be responsible solely to the League of Nations in all matters connected herewith, provided that nothing in this article shall prevent the Mandatory from entering into such arrangements as he may deem reasonable with the Administration for the purpose of carrying the provisions of this article into effect; and provided also that nothing in this mandate shall be construed as conferring upon the Mandatory authority to interfere with the fabric or the management of purely Moslem sacred shrines, the immunities of which are guaranteed.

ART. 14.
A special commission shall be appointed by the Mandatory to study, define and determine the rights and claims in connection with the Holy Places and the rights and claims relating to the different religious communities in Palestine. The method of nomination, the composition and the functions of this Commission shall be submitted to the Council of the League for its approval, and the Commission shall not be appointed or enter upon its functions without the approval of the Council.

ART. 15.
The Mandatory shall see that complete freedom of conscience and the free exercise of all forms of worship, subject only to the maintenance of public order and morals, are ensured to all. No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants of Palestine on the ground of race, religion or language. No person shall be excluded from Palestine on the sole ground of his religious belief.

The right of each community to maintain its own schools for the education of its own members in its own language, while conforming to such educational requirements of a general nature as the Administration may impose, shall not be denied or impaired.

ART. 16.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for exercising such supervision over religious or eleemosynary bodies of all faiths in Palestine as may be required for the maintenance of public order and good government. Subject to such supervision, no measures shall be taken in Palestine to obstruct or interfere with the enterprise of such bodies or to discriminate against any representative or member of them on the ground of his religion or nationality.

ART. 17.
The Administration of Palestine may organist on a voluntary basis the forces necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defence of the country, subject, however, to the supervision of the Mandatory, but shall not use them for purposes other than those above specified save with the consent of the Mandatory. Except for such purposes, no military, naval or air forces shall be raised or maintained by the Administration of Palestine.

Nothing in this article shall preclude the Administration of Palestine from contributing to the cost of the maintenance of the forces of the Mandatory in Palestine.

The Mandatory shall be entitled at all times to use the roads, railways and ports of Palestine for the movement of armed forces and the carriage of fuel and supplies.

ART. 18.
The Mandatory shall see that there is no discrimination in Palestine against the nationals of any State Member of the League of Nations (including companies incorporated under its laws) as compared with those of the Mandatory or of any foreign State in matters concerning taxation, commerce or navigation, the exercise of industries or professions, or in the treatment of merchant vessels or civil aircraft. Similarly, there shall be no discrimination in Palestine against goods originating in or destined for any of the said States, and there shall be freedom of transit under equitable conditions across the mandated area.

Subject as aforesaid and to the other provisions of this mandate, the Administration of Palestine may, on the advice of the Mandatory, impose such taxes and customs duties as it may consider necessary, and take such steps as it may think best to promote the development of the natural resources of the country and to safeguard the interests of the population. It may also, on the advice of the Mandatory, conclude a special customs agreement with any State the territory of which in 1914 was wholly included in Asiatic Turkey or Arabia.

ART. 19.
The Mandatory shall adhere on behalf of the Administration of Palestine to any general international conventions already existing, or which may be concluded hereafter with the approval of the League of Nations, respecting the slave traffic, the traffic in arms and ammunition, or the traffic in drugs, or relating to commercial equality, freedom of transit and navigation, aerial navigation and postal, telegraphic and wireless communication or literary, artistic or industrial property.

ART. 20.
The Mandatory shall co-operate on behalf of the Administration of Palestine, so far as religious, social and other conditions may permit, in the execution of any common policy adopted by the League of Nations for preventing and combating disease, including diseases of plants and animals.

ART. 21.
The Mandatory shall secure the enactment within twelve months from this date, and shall ensure the execution of a Law of Antiquities based on the following rules. This law shall ensure equality of treatment in the matter of excavations and archaeological research to the nationals of all States Members of the League of Nations.

(1) "Antiquity" means any construction or any product of human activity earlier than the year 1700 A. D.

(2) The law for the protection of antiquities shall proceed by encouragement rather than by threat.

Any person who, having discovered an antiquity without being furnished with the authorization referred to in paragraph 5, reports the same to an official of the competent Department, shall be rewarded according to the value of the discovery.

(3) No antiquity may be disposed of except to the competent Department, unless this Department renounces the acquisition of any such antiquity.

No antiquity may leave the country without an export licence from the said Department.

(4) Any person who maliciously or negligently destroys or damages an antiquity shall be liable to a penalty to be fixed.

(5) No clearing of ground or digging with the object of finding antiquities shall be permitted, under penalty of fine, except to persons authorised by the competent Department.

(6) Equitable terms shall be fixed for expropriation, temporary or permanent, of lands which might be of historical or archaeological interest.

(7) Authorization to excavate shall only be granted to persons who show sufficient guarantees of archaeological experience. The Administration of Palestine shall not, in granting these authorizations, act in such a way as to exclude scholars of any nation without good grounds.

(8) The proceeds of excavations may be divided between the excavator and the competent Department in a proportion fixed by that Department. If division seems impossible for scientific reasons, the excavator shall receive a fair indemnity in lieu of a part of the find.

ART. 22.
English, Arabic and Hebrew shall be the official languages of Palestine. Any statement or inscription in Arabic on stamps or money in Palestine shall be repeated in Hebrew and any statement or inscription in Hebrew shall be repeated in Arabic.

ART. 23.
The Administration of Palestine shall recognise the holy days of the respective communities in Palestine as legal days of rest for the members of such communities.

ART. 24.
The Mandatory shall make to the Council of the League of Nations an annual report to the satisfaction of the Council as to the measures taken during the year to carry out the provisions of the mandate. Copies of all laws and regulations promulgated or issued during the year shall be communicated with the report.

ART. 25.
In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions, and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18.

ART. 26.
The Mandatory agrees that, if any dispute whatever should arise between the Mandatory and another member of the League of Nations relating to the interpretation or the application of the provisions of the mandate, such dispute, if it cannot be settled by negotiation, shall be submitted to the Permanent Court of International Justice provided for by Article 14 of the Covenant of the League of Nations.

ART. 27.
The consent of the Council of the League of Nations is required for any modification of the terms of this mandate.

ART. 28.
In the event of the termination of the mandate hereby conferred upon the Mandatory, the Council of the League of Nations shall make such arrangements as may be deemed necessary for safeguarding in perpetuity, under guarantee of the League, the rights secured by Articles 13 and 14, and shall use its influence for securing, under the guarantee of the League, that the Government of Palestine will fully honour the financial obligations legitimately incurred by the Administration of Palestine during the period of the mandate, including the rights of public servants to pensions or gratuities.

The present instrument shall be deposited in original in the archives of the League of Nations and certified copies shall be forwarded by the Secretary-General of the League of Nations to all members of the League.

Done at London the twenty-fourth day of July, one thousand nine hundred and twenty-two.

ART. 7.


The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.
​

What does this mean? It means that the "Jewish National Home" was to be Jews getting Palestinian citizenship along with the other Palestinians.

There was no mention of land being transferred to Israel, or Jewish state. There was no mention of exclusive rights for Jews.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh --- get off your horse.

ANSWER: Yes, even Colonist have rights; remembering the Jewish people were immigrants and not colonists.

Colonists have rights?
Links?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Settlers were not Crown Colonialist; being directly tied to a Parent Government.

But even if they were --- true colonialist settlers --- like the Crown Colonies of England in the North America --- had the right of self-determination (Declaring Independence). Now having that "right" does not mean that the parent nation is just going to rollover and allow a separatist action or a cessation even.

As far as links go, and of the "Self-Determination Links" say the very same thing... Even the UN Charter and the Resolution on "Decolonization." (General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960)

The Resolution Says: All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development. (NOT Binding and NOT Law)

The Charter Says: To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace; (Binding with the force of Law)
​

REMEMBER: The Arab Palestinians are people just link any other people. There are no rights that are unique to the Arab Palestinians. What is an inherent "right" to them is an inherent right of all; equal and far protection under the law.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

How about your post prior to this where you deny the Jews there right to migrate and colonise the lands of palestine granted by the 2 soveriegn land owners from 1850 to 1948.

Yiou are the one that ducks everytime your words are used against you and show you constantly deny the Jews their legal, moral and civil rights

Who owned Palestine?

Links with passages?

WHEN ? as prior to 1917 it was Ottoman empire who handed it over to the LoN in 1917 as reparations. Then in 1948 the Jews declared independence on the 22% alloctaed as their NATIONal home.


What links would you accept that have not already been given and ignored

Your usual duck.

Who owned Palestine?

Links with passages?

Are you denying history now

Treaty of Sèvres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Sèvres treaty marked the beginning of the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire, and its ultimate annihilation. The terms it stipulated included the renunciation of all non-Turkish territory that was part of the Ottoman Empire and their cession to the Allied administration.[5] Notably, the ceding of Eastern Mediterranean land allowed the creation of, amongst others, the British Mandate of Palestine and the French Mandate of Syria.[6]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne

The Treaty of Lausanne ended the conflict and defined the borders of the modern Turkish Republic. In the treaty, Turkey gave up all claims to the remainder of the Ottoman Empire and in return the Allies recognized Turkish sovereignty within its new borders.




There you go no mention of palestine as such or of the arab muslims being the owners

None of the new states were mentioned by name.

Neither the LoN nor the Mandates claimed sovereignty. The Mandate's function was to bring the inhabitants of their respective new states to independence. The inhabitants were the sovereigns in their new states under the rule of popular sovereignty.

And where does it say that in any of the treaties that show sovereignty was handed over to the LoN. See you get the links and the parts that say the LoN were the sovereign owners and you deny them for some islamonazi make believe .

Are you now saying that not one of the nations in the original Ottoman empire is valid as the LoN did not have the power to transfer sovereignty of the land to those people ?

Again you get confused by the different mandates that were in place. the Mandate of palestine was a seperate entity to the British mandate. The British mandate was a temporary administration while the mandate of palestine was the legal entity that delineated the borders and made the laws.In your mind the LoN did not have the power to draw lines on maps and call them borders apart from the ones you claim they drew to bring into existence the nation of palestine

 

[Phoenall]

Mandate of palestine. UN charter.

No quotes, of course.

You have the full links to read at your liesure so you can report back that you are wrong and the Jews do have rights



YOU JUST CANT BRING YOURSELF TO ADMIT THAT THE JEWS HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS THE ARAB MUSLIMS, AND THAT THEY HAVE MORE WHEN IT COMES TO PALESTINE

You don't quote passages because because nothing in there agrees with what you claim.

Because you ignore them and then ask for the same thing shortly after




The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

ARTICLE 1.
The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.

ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 3.
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

ART. 6.

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ART. 7.

The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

ART. 8.
The privileges and immunities of foreigners, including the benefits of consular jurisdiction and protection as formerly enjoyed by Capitulation or usage in the Ottoman Empire, shall not be applicable in Palestine.

Unless the Powers whose nationals enjoyed the afore-mentioned privileges and immunities on August 1st, 1914, shall have previously renounced the right to their re-establishment, or shall have agreed to their non-application for a specified period, these privileges and immunities shall, at the expiration of the mandate, be immediately reestablished in their entirety or with such modifications as may have been agreed upon between the Powers concerned.

ART. 9.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that the judicial system established in Palestine shall assure to foreigners, as well as to natives, a complete guarantee of their rights.

Respect for the personal status of the various peoples and communities and for their religious interests shall be fully guaranteed. In particular, the control and administration of Wakfs shall be exercised in accordance with religious law and the dispositions of the founders.

ART. 10.
Pending the making of special extradition agreements relating to Palestine, the extradition treaties in force between the Mandatory and other foreign Powers shall apply to Palestine.

ART. 11.
The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.

ART. 12.
The Mandatory shall be entrusted with the control of the foreign relations of Palestine and the right to issue exequaturs to consuls appointed by foreign Powers. He shall also be entitled to afford diplomatic and consular protection to citizens of Palestine when outside its territorial limits.

ART. 13.
All responsibility in connection with the Holy Places and religious buildings or sites in Palestine, including that of preserving existing rights and of securing free access to the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites and the free exercise of worship, while ensuring the requirements of public order and decorum, is assumed by the Mandatory, who shall be responsible solely to the League of Nations in all matters connected herewith, provided that nothing in this article shall prevent the Mandatory from entering into such arrangements as he may deem reasonable with the Administration for the purpose of carrying the provisions of this article into effect; and provided also that nothing in this mandate shall be construed as conferring upon the Mandatory authority to interfere with the fabric or the management of purely Moslem sacred shrines, the immunities of which are guaranteed.

ART. 14.
A special commission shall be appointed by the Mandatory to study, define and determine the rights and claims in connection with the Holy Places and the rights and claims relating to the different religious communities in Palestine. The method of nomination, the composition and the functions of this Commission shall be submitted to the Council of the League for its approval, and the Commission shall not be appointed or enter upon its functions without the approval of the Council.

ART. 15.
The Mandatory shall see that complete freedom of conscience and the free exercise of all forms of worship, subject only to the maintenance of public order and morals, are ensured to all. No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants of Palestine on the ground of race, religion or language. No person shall be excluded from Palestine on the sole ground of his religious belief.

The right of each community to maintain its own schools for the education of its own members in its own language, while conforming to such educational requirements of a general nature as the Administration may impose, shall not be denied or impaired.

ART. 16.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for exercising such supervision over religious or eleemosynary bodies of all faiths in Palestine as may be required for the maintenance of public order and good government. Subject to such supervision, no measures shall be taken in Palestine to obstruct or interfere with the enterprise of such bodies or to discriminate against any representative or member of them on the ground of his religion or nationality.

ART. 17.
The Administration of Palestine may organist on a voluntary basis the forces necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defence of the country, subject, however, to the supervision of the Mandatory, but shall not use them for purposes other than those above specified save with the consent of the Mandatory. Except for such purposes, no military, naval or air forces shall be raised or maintained by the Administration of Palestine.

Nothing in this article shall preclude the Administration of Palestine from contributing to the cost of the maintenance of the forces of the Mandatory in Palestine.

The Mandatory shall be entitled at all times to use the roads, railways and ports of Palestine for the movement of armed forces and the carriage of fuel and supplies.

ART. 18.
The Mandatory shall see that there is no discrimination in Palestine against the nationals of any State Member of the League of Nations (including companies incorporated under its laws) as compared with those of the Mandatory or of any foreign State in matters concerning taxation, commerce or navigation, the exercise of industries or professions, or in the treatment of merchant vessels or civil aircraft. Similarly, there shall be no discrimination in Palestine against goods originating in or destined for any of the said States, and there shall be freedom of transit under equitable conditions across the mandated area.

Subject as aforesaid and to the other provisions of this mandate, the Administration of Palestine may, on the advice of the Mandatory, impose such taxes and customs duties as it may consider necessary, and take such steps as it may think best to promote the development of the natural resources of the country and to safeguard the interests of the population. It may also, on the advice of the Mandatory, conclude a special customs agreement with any State the territory of which in 1914 was wholly included in Asiatic Turkey or Arabia.

ART. 19.
The Mandatory shall adhere on behalf of the Administration of Palestine to any general international conventions already existing, or which may be concluded hereafter with the approval of the League of Nations, respecting the slave traffic, the traffic in arms and ammunition, or the traffic in drugs, or relating to commercial equality, freedom of transit and navigation, aerial navigation and postal, telegraphic and wireless communication or literary, artistic or industrial property.

ART. 20.
The Mandatory shall co-operate on behalf of the Administration of Palestine, so far as religious, social and other conditions may permit, in the execution of any common policy adopted by the League of Nations for preventing and combating disease, including diseases of plants and animals.

ART. 21.
The Mandatory shall secure the enactment within twelve months from this date, and shall ensure the execution of a Law of Antiquities based on the following rules. This law shall ensure equality of treatment in the matter of excavations and archaeological research to the nationals of all States Members of the League of Nations.

(1) "Antiquity" means any construction or any product of human activity earlier than the year 1700 A. D.

(2) The law for the protection of antiquities shall proceed by encouragement rather than by threat.

Any person who, having discovered an antiquity without being furnished with the authorization referred to in paragraph 5, reports the same to an official of the competent Department, shall be rewarded according to the value of the discovery.

(3) No antiquity may be disposed of except to the competent Department, unless this Department renounces the acquisition of any such antiquity.

No antiquity may leave the country without an export licence from the said Department.

(4) Any person who maliciously or negligently destroys or damages an antiquity shall be liable to a penalty to be fixed.

(5) No clearing of ground or digging with the object of finding antiquities shall be permitted, under penalty of fine, except to persons authorised by the competent Department.

(6) Equitable terms shall be fixed for expropriation, temporary or permanent, of lands which might be of historical or archaeological interest.

(7) Authorization to excavate shall only be granted to persons who show sufficient guarantees of archaeological experience. The Administration of Palestine shall not, in granting these authorizations, act in such a way as to exclude scholars of any nation without good grounds.

(8) The proceeds of excavations may be divided between the excavator and the competent Department in a proportion fixed by that Department. If division seems impossible for scientific reasons, the excavator shall receive a fair indemnity in lieu of a part of the find.

ART. 22.
English, Arabic and Hebrew shall be the official languages of Palestine. Any statement or inscription in Arabic on stamps or money in Palestine shall be repeated in Hebrew and any statement or inscription in Hebrew shall be repeated in Arabic.

ART. 23.
The Administration of Palestine shall recognise the holy days of the respective communities in Palestine as legal days of rest for the members of such communities.

ART. 24.
The Mandatory shall make to the Council of the League of Nations an annual report to the satisfaction of the Council as to the measures taken during the year to carry out the provisions of the mandate. Copies of all laws and regulations promulgated or issued during the year shall be communicated with the report.

ART. 25.
In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions, and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18.

ART. 26.
The Mandatory agrees that, if any dispute whatever should arise between the Mandatory and another member of the League of Nations relating to the interpretation or the application of the provisions of the mandate, such dispute, if it cannot be settled by negotiation, shall be submitted to the Permanent Court of International Justice provided for by Article 14 of the Covenant of the League of Nations.

ART. 27.
The consent of the Council of the League of Nations is required for any modification of the terms of this mandate.

ART. 28.
In the event of the termination of the mandate hereby conferred upon the Mandatory, the Council of the League of Nations shall make such arrangements as may be deemed necessary for safeguarding in perpetuity, under guarantee of the League, the rights secured by Articles 13 and 14, and shall use its influence for securing, under the guarantee of the League, that the Government of Palestine will fully honour the financial obligations legitimately incurred by the Administration of Palestine during the period of the mandate, including the rights of public servants to pensions or gratuities.

The present instrument shall be deposited in original in the archives of the League of Nations and certified copies shall be forwarded by the Secretary-General of the League of Nations to all members of the League.

Done at London the twenty-fourth day of July, one thousand nine hundred and twenty-two.

ART. 7.


The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.
​

What does this mean? It means that the "Jewish National Home" was to be Jews getting Palestinian citizenship along with the other Palestinians.

There was no mention of land being transferred to Israel, or Jewish state. There was no mention of exclusive rights for Jews.

Where does it mention other palestinians then. It means that the migrating Jews would be fast tracked into being given given citizenship under the mandate so they could enact the International laws of the time to bring about the formation of their NATIONal home.

Read the mandate again and see that it deals mainly with the transfer of land to the Jews to facilitate the setting up of their NATIONal home.

the clue is in the name as NATIONAL means of a NATION

 

[Phoenall]

How about your post prior to this where you deny the Jews there right to migrate and colonise the lands of palestine granted by the 2 soveriegn land owners from 1850 to 1948.

Yiou are the one that ducks everytime your words are used against you and show you constantly deny the Jews their legal, moral and civil rights

Who owned Palestine?

Links with passages?

WHEN ? as prior to 1917 it was Ottoman empire who handed it over to the LoN in 1917 as reparations. Then in 1948 the Jews declared independence on the 22% alloctaed as their NATIONal home.


What links would you accept that have not already been given and ignored

Your usual duck.

Who owned Palestine?

Links with passages?

Are you denying history now

Treaty of Sèvres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Sèvres treaty marked the beginning of the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire, and its ultimate annihilation. The terms it stipulated included the renunciation of all non-Turkish territory that was part of the Ottoman Empire and their cession to the Allied administration.[5] Notably, the ceding of Eastern Mediterranean land allowed the creation of, amongst others, the British Mandate of Palestine and the French Mandate of Syria.[6]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne

The Treaty of Lausanne ended the conflict and defined the borders of the modern Turkish Republic. In the treaty, Turkey gave up all claims to the remainder of the Ottoman Empire and in return the Allies recognized Turkish sovereignty within its new borders.




There you go no mention of palestine as such or of the arab muslims being the owners

None of the new states were mentioned by name.

Neither the LoN nor the Mandates claimed sovereignty. The Mandate's function was to bring the inhabitants of their respective new states to independence. The inhabitants were the sovereigns in their new states under the rule of popular sovereignty.

Read the treaty of sevres and the treaty of lausanne again and see that the LoN did claim soveriegnty of the former Ottoman empire. If they didnt they could not draw lines on maps and say this is the nation of Syria, or this is the mandate of palestine.


When did this alleged rule become international law or commonly held as such, as no one has heard of it but you ? All they have head of is International laws that say the land is Jewish

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh --- get off your horse.

ANSWER: Yes, even Colonist have rights; remembering the Jewish people were immigrants and not colonists.

Colonists have rights?
Links?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Settlers were not Crown Colonialist; being directly tied to a Parent Government.

But even if they were --- true colonialist settlers --- like the Crown Colonies of England in the North America --- had the right of self-determination (Declaring Independence). Now having that "right" does not mean that the parent nation is just going to rollover and allow a separatist action or a cessation even.

As far as links go, and of the "Self-Determination Links" say the very same thing... Even the UN Charter and the Resolution on "Decolonization." (General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960)

The Resolution Says: All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development. (NOT Binding and NOT Law)

The Charter Says: To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace; (Binding with the force of Law)
​

REMEMBER: The Arab Palestinians are people just link any other people. There are no rights that are unique to the Arab Palestinians. What is an inherent "right" to them is an inherent right of all; equal and far protection under the law.

Most Respectfully,
R

ANSWER: Yes, even Colonist have rights; remembering the Jewish people were immigrants and not colonists.​

Not true. How do you define immigrant? How do you define colonists. They are two different things.

 

[Shusha]

The Mandate's function was to bring the inhabitants of their respective new states to independence. The inhabitants were the sovereigns in their new states under the rule of popular sovereignty.

Its pointless to argue law with you, since you mostly ignore it, so I try to argue from the point of view of what is morally and ethnically the right thing to do.

Your position is that the inhabitants were the sovereigns, or were to be the sovereigns. There were, and are, TWO groups of inhabitants: the Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian people. Those two groups have been distinct from each other since prior to the beginning of the conflict.

So why would each of those groups not have the same rights? Why do you keep arguing that only one group has rights?

Challenger simply denies that the Jewish people exist. What's your story?

 

[Shusha]

Not true. How do you define immigrant? How do you define colonists. They are two different things.

Of course they are two different things. One migrates to fulfill the desires and goals of an external, foreign country. The other migrates to join their efforts with the desires and goals of the country they move too.

The place of the Jewish people is Israel. They migrated there to join the State of the Jewish people. There is no foreign country that the Jewish people are colonists of. The entire idea is ridiculous. But clung to like a tired oold stained baby blankie by the anti-Israelers.

Sovereigns of a country (you know, those inhabitants of Palestine you are always going on about) have the right to welcome immigration. That is part of being sovereign.

 

[Shusha]

There was no mention of land being transferred to Israel, or Jewish state. There was no mention of exclusive rights for Jews.

No land had to be transferred. According to your own arguments, the land belonged to the inhabitants. The inhabitants were sovereign. And one of the peoples with rights to that land -- that sovereignty -- were the JEWISH people, hence the inclusion, the prominence, of the term "Jewish National Home".

There are no exclusive rights for Jews. Just the SAME rights everyone else has -- a right to have a chunk of the divided territory of the Ottoman Empire to call their own.

 

[Shusha]

The Palestinians do have the right to defend themselves.

They do not have the right to defend themselves outside the scope of the law.

They do not have the right to remove rights from others.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh --- get off your horse.

ANSWER: Yes, even Colonist have rights; remembering the Jewish people were immigrants and not colonists.

Colonists have rights?
Links?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Settlers were not Crown Colonialist; being directly tied to a Parent Government.

But even if they were --- true colonialist settlers --- like the Crown Colonies of England in the North America --- had the right of self-determination (Declaring Independence). Now having that "right" does not mean that the parent nation is just going to rollover and allow a separatist action or a cessation even.

As far as links go, and of the "Self-Determination Links" say the very same thing... Even the UN Charter and the Resolution on "Decolonization." (General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960)

The Resolution Says: All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development. (NOT Binding and NOT Law)

The Charter Says: To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace; (Binding with the force of Law)
​

REMEMBER: The Arab Palestinians are people just link any other people. There are no rights that are unique to the Arab Palestinians. What is an inherent "right" to them is an inherent right of all; equal and far protection under the law.

Most Respectfully,
R

ANSWER: Yes, even Colonist have rights; remembering the Jewish people were immigrants and not colonists.​

Not true. How do you define immigrant? How do you define colonists. They are two different things.

Simple colonists are sent by another nations government to take over the land, immigrants are invited to come and settle on the land.

YOU ARE A COLONIST AS YOU CAME WITHOUT BEING ASKED,JUST LIKE THE ARAB MUSLIMS DID. THE JEWS ARE IMMIGRANTS AS THEY WERE INVITED TO COME BY THE OTTOMANS, LoN AND FINALLY THE ISRAELI'S




Do you get it yet ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not true. How do you define immigrant? How do you define colonists. They are two different things.

Of course they are two different things. One migrates to fulfill the desires and goals of an external, foreign country. The other migrates to join their efforts with the desires and goals of the country they move too.

The place of the Jewish people is Israel. They migrated there to join the State of the Jewish people. There is no foreign country that the Jewish people are colonists of. The entire idea is ridiculous. But clung to like a tired oold stained baby blankie by the anti-Israelers.

Sovereigns of a country (you know, those inhabitants of Palestine you are always going on about) have the right to welcome immigration. That is part of being sovereign.

Immigrant: Someone who moves to a country to become a part of that country usually with the approval of the present citizens. They live among the existing inhabitants. They seek citizenship and declare allegiance to their new country.

Colonist: Someone who moves to a country, against the opposition of the people, to live separate from the current population usually in settlements or colonies. They live by their own rules with as little interaction with to locals as possible. The expansion of the size and number of colonies requires the forced removal of the current population.

Are the Zionists immigrants or colonists?

 

[Shusha]

Immigrant: Someone who moves to a country to become a part of that country usually with the approval of the present citizens. They live among the existing inhabitants. They seek citizenship and declare allegiance to their new country.

Colonist: Someone who moves to a country, against the opposition of the people, to live separate from the current population usually in settlements or colonies. They live by their own rules with as little interaction with to locals as possible. The expansion of the size and number of colonies requires the forced removal of the current population.

Are the Zionists immigrants or colonists?

Oh come on! Now you are just making up definitions to suit yourself, with no consideration to what words actually mean.

But even your own definition is problematic.

The Jewish immigrants to the nation where the Jewish people had sovereignty was not in opposition to the Jewish people, they did not, and do not live separate from the rest of the Jewish population, they abide by the laws and rules of Israel and interact quite nicely with the Jewish locals. And there has been no forced removal, unless you count Gaza.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Immigrant: Someone who moves to a country to become a part of that country usually with the approval of the present citizens. They live among the existing inhabitants. They seek citizenship and declare allegiance to their new country.

Colonist: Someone who moves to a country, against the opposition of the people, to live separate from the current population usually in settlements or colonies. They live by their own rules with as little interaction with to locals as possible. The expansion of the size and number of colonies requires the forced removal of the current population.

Are the Zionists immigrants or colonists?

Oh come on! Now you are just making up definitions to suit yourself, with no consideration to what words actually mean.

But even your own definition is problematic.

The Jewish immigrants to the nation where the Jewish people had sovereignty was not in opposition to the Jewish people, they did not, and do not live separate from the rest of the Jewish population, they abide by the laws and rules of Israel and interact quite nicely with the Jewish locals. And there has been no forced removal, unless you count Gaza.

OK, but they were colonizing Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

Not true. How do you define immigrant? How do you define colonists. They are two different things.

Of course they are two different things. One migrates to fulfill the desires and goals of an external, foreign country. The other migrates to join their efforts with the desires and goals of the country they move too.

The place of the Jewish people is Israel. They migrated there to join the State of the Jewish people. There is no foreign country that the Jewish people are colonists of. The entire idea is ridiculous. But clung to like a tired oold stained baby blankie by the anti-Israelers.

Sovereigns of a country (you know, those inhabitants of Palestine you are always going on about) have the right to welcome immigration. That is part of being sovereign.

Immigrant: Someone who moves to a country to become a part of that country usually with the approval of the present citizens. They live among the existing inhabitants. They seek citizenship and declare allegiance to their new country.

Colonist: Someone who moves to a country, against the opposition of the people, to live separate from the current population usually in settlements or colonies. They live by their own rules with as little interaction with to locals as possible. The expansion of the size and number of colonies requires the forced removal of the current population.

Are the Zionists immigrants or colonists?

Immigrants as they were invited to migrate by the lands soveriegn owners. The colonists are the arab muslims that moved there illegally at the command of their leaders. As shown by Winston Churchill who stood up in Westminster and stated that arab muslims were illegal immigrants to palestine because the nazi British administration of the mandate were more concerned with attacking the Jews and putting them in death camps

 

[Phoenall]

Immigrant: Someone who moves to a country to become a part of that country usually with the approval of the present citizens. They live among the existing inhabitants. They seek citizenship and declare allegiance to their new country.

Colonist: Someone who moves to a country, against the opposition of the people, to live separate from the current population usually in settlements or colonies. They live by their own rules with as little interaction with to locals as possible. The expansion of the size and number of colonies requires the forced removal of the current population.

Are the Zionists immigrants or colonists?

Oh come on! Now you are just making up definitions to suit yourself, with no consideration to what words actually mean.

But even your own definition is problematic.

The Jewish immigrants to the nation where the Jewish people had sovereignty was not in opposition to the Jewish people, they did not, and do not live separate from the rest of the Jewish population, they abide by the laws and rules of Israel and interact quite nicely with the Jewish locals. And there has been no forced removal, unless you count Gaza.

OK, but they were colonizing Palestine.

Only the 22% that was deemed to be Jewish palestine as declared by the LoN. The arab muslims were the ones illegally colonising this land .

By palestine you mean the Mandate of Palestine allocated to the Jewish people by the LoN who were the legal soveriegn owners of the land

 

[Challenger]

Challenger simply denies that the Jewish people exist.

Historical fact and Archaeology denies the existence of a Jewish ethnicity; "The Jewish People" are a Zionist invention that has become mainstream when it was once considered a whack-job fringe theory. Even Jewish people today still think it is, although they are now a minority (it doesn't mean they're wrong). Here's three examples:

Neturei Karta - Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism

True Torah Jews | Against Zionism

International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network (IJAN)