Pelosi Lies and Her Trip Is A Dud

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    San Fran Nan is now back from her trip from the Middle East

    What a comedy show it was.

    Pelosi wants to feel important, wants to be vice president, wants to call ALL the shots and by taking this little trip she thinks she will get her very own Presidential plane!
    Of course making mistakes and lying are her everyday duties. After all she got the big D by her name!



    By BENNY AVNI
    Staff Reporter of the Sun
    April 5, 2007

    UNITED NATIONS — As the speaker of the House, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, helped Syria to escape diplomatic isolation yesterday by saying she conveyed to Syria's President Al-Assad a "message" from Jerusalem about Israel's readiness for peace negotiations, Prime Minister Olmert denied he had given her any such message.

    The confusion seemed to add weight to Ms. Pelosi's critics, including President Bush who had said a day earlier that her trip to Syria only "sends mixed signals," and a presidential hopeful, Governor Romney, who also said yesterday that the trip sent "the wrong signal to the people of Syria and to the people of the Middle East."




    Pelosi wants to feel important , wants to be vice president , wants to call ALL the shots and by taking this little trip she thinks she will get her very own Presidential plane!-
    Of course making mistakes and lying are her everyday duties. After all she got the big D by her name!
     
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    Libs usually ignore laws they do not agree with - after all liberalsim is abll about feeling good about yourself



    Illegal Diplomacy
    By Robert F. Turner
    Word Count: 854
    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi may well have committed a felony in traveling to Damascus this week, against the wishes of the president, to communicate on foreign-policy issues with Syrian President Bashar Assad. The administration isn't going to want to touch this political hot potato, nor should it become a partisan issue. Maybe special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, whose aggressive prosecution of Lewis Libby establishes his independence from White House influence, should be called back.

    The "Logan Act" makes it a felony and provides for a prison sentence of up to three years for any American, "without authority of the United States," ...

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    HOGWASH!


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    Illegal Diplomacy?
    Did Nancy Pelosi commit a felony when she went to Syria?
    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi may well have committed a felony in traveling to Damascus this week, against the wishes of the president, to communicate on foreign-policy issues with Syrian President Bashar Assad.
    The Logan Act makes it a felony and provides for a prison sentence of up to three years for any American, "without authority of the United States," to communicate with a foreign government in an effort to influence that government's behavior on any "disputes or controversies with the United States." Some background on this statute helps to understand why Ms. Pelosi may be in serious
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    Here's a newsflash for ya RSR....the Logan Act doesn't apply to members of Congress. They are sworn representatives of our government with the highest security clearances and it is perfectly legal for them to travel abroad and gather vital information that relates to our national security.
     
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    The Supreme Court has spoken clearly on this aspect of the separation of powers. In Marbury v. Madison, Chief Justice John Marshall used the president's authority over the Department of State as an illustration of those "important political powers" that, "being entrusted to the executive, the decision of the executive is conclusive." And in the landmark 1936 Curtiss-Wright case, the Supreme Court reaffirmed: "Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it."
    Ms. Pelosi and her Congressional entourage spoke to President Assad on various issues, among other things saying, "We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace." She is certainly not the first member of Congress--of either party--to engage in this sort of behavior, but her position as a national leader, the wartime circumstances, the opposition to the trip from the White House, and the character of the regime she has chosen to approach make her behavior particularly inappropriate.

    Of course, not all congressional travel to, or communications with representatives of, foreign nations is unlawful. A purely fact-finding trip that involves looking around, visiting American military bases or talking with U.S. diplomats is not a problem. Nor is formal negotiation with foreign representatives if authorized by the president. (FDR appointed Sens. Tom Connally and Arthur Vandenberg to the U.S. delegation that negotiated the U.N. Charter.) Ms. Pelosi's trip was not authorized, and Syria is one of the world's leading sponsors of international terrorism. It has almost certainly been involved in numerous attacks that have claimed the lives of American military personnel from Beirut to Baghdad.

    The U.S. is in the midst of two wars authorized by Congress. For Ms. Pelosi to flout the Constitution in these circumstances is not only shortsighted; it may well be a felony, as the Logan Act has been part of our criminal law for more than two centuries. Perhaps it is time to enforce the law.

    Mr. Turner was acting assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs in 1984-85 and is a former chairman of the ABA standing committee on law and national security

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    Nancy and Lantos have used appalling judgement regarding this Burka Junket. Declaring that the Dems have their own separate foreign policy is a violation of the separations of power - and borderline treason during a time of war. Considering that in most elections, this one included, the majority is only a percentage point or so higher than the minority, there is not national will to lose the war on purpose. This may play well in the blue state metro areas (although even in SF, there is a great deal of criticism of Pelosi) - but it is not going to helpt the Dems win the red ones.
     
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    Pelosi's Trip To Syria Conducted In Blissful Ignorance Of The Realities Of ME
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    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's embarrassingly amateurish (for all Americans) kumbaya with terrorist supporter and facilitator of the killing of U.S. troops Syrian President Bashar al-Assad continues to draw fire from mainstream media, bloggers, and rational commentators alike, with only the far left defending her shameful, disgraceful, naive exercise in blissful naiveness, and that of the Democrats, to attempt to establish an alternative foreign policy in opposition to the official policy of the United States as directed by the president. As News By Us put its, "this latest Democrat action speaks loudly and surely of another infamous appeaser - Neville Chamberlain."

    Think about it, the week before Easter, a senior Christian female politician goes to a terrorist-supporting Muslim country wearing a symbol of female submission to Islamic authority (some are surprised she didn't wear a full burka - although she did don the black abaya robe ), and embarrasses the president of the United States, herself, and our country in front of the whole world, while giving our radical Islamic enemy propaganda photo-ops to recruit more terrorists to murder more people that disagree with them.

    Whatever Pelosi's intentions were in meeting with Bashar al-Assad and humiliating herself and our country before the Muslim world with her symbolism of submission and her giving the enemy the appearance of a divided U.S. that can be manipulated through one of its political parties, surely Pelosi had no idea that she would end up having to defend her possibly felonious acts from so many attacks, many of whom she could otherwise count on to defend her and her "defeat at any cost" party (Highly telling is the fact that former President Jimmy Carter praises her): Take for example:

    The Savanah Morning News sums it up nicely:
    HOUSE SPEAKER Nancy Pelosi did Congress and the country a grave disservice this week by traveling to Damascus and meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad.

    The Bush administration, and rightly so, has rejected direct talks with Syria. That nation has a long, bloody history of supporting terrorist organizations, including Hamas and Hezbollah.

    Until Mr. Assad renounces these groups and takes steps to cut all ties with them, U.S. diplomats shouldn't step into Syria.

    But Ms. Pelosi apparently couldn't care less about forcing a state sponsor of terrorism to change its ways.

    Instead, this self-appointed foreign minister is taking the "Pelosi Doctrine" on the road. This doctrine calls for undercutting U.S. foreign policy and the Bush administration whenever possible.

    First, she and House Democrats approve legislation that handcuffs U.S. commanders by setting a pullout date for American troops in Iraq. Then she leaves the country and meets with a key ally of ruthless car-bombers, killers and other extremists who use violence to score political points.

    Talk about giving aid and comfort to one of the civilized world's enemies.

    This in-your-face snub of Mr. Bush and the executive branch is deplorable politics. Her visit to Syria is just another way for Ms. Pelosi and her cohorts on Capital Hill to make a lot of noise over their opposition to the administration's foreign policy, without taking a real stand to back up their empty words.

    There's no question that Syria must close its leaking sieve of a border with Iraq and stop the flow of terrorists who threaten Iraqi citizens and U.S. troops. But it's responsibility of President Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice - not House Speaker Pelosi - to conduct foreign policy and represent America abroad.


    Agoravox - France:
    Nancy Pelosi's recent bumbling foray into foreign policy with Syria shows why diplomacy should be left to that branch of government - the executive branch - that actually has the authority to conduct it. Pelosi conveyed a 'peace message' from Ehud Olmert to Bashar Assad that - woops! - the Israeli government says it never gave to Pelosi. Apparently Nuancy not only missed the shades of gray there, she missed the black and white as well.
    Amateurish and embarassing, yes, but is it illegal also? There is a law called the Logan Act that forbids U.S. citizens from conducting diplomacy without approval from the government. The act, as amended in 2004, reads as follows:

    Wall Street Journal (subscription): Democrats at War
    Democrats took Congress last fall in part by opposing the war in Iraq, but it is becoming clear that they view their election as a mandate for something far more ambitious -- to wit, promoting and executing their own foreign policy, albeit without the detail of a Presidential election.

    Their intentions were made plain this week with two remarkable acts by their House and Senate leaders. Majority Leader Harry Reid endorsed Senator Russ Feingold's proposal to withdraw from Iraq immediately, cutting off funds entirely within a year.

    USA Today: Bush's no-talk policy is flawed, but speaker's tactics are no solution. ... House Speaker Nancy Pelosi crossed a line this week by visiting Syria. ... She violated a long-held understanding that the United States should speak with one official voice abroad -- even if the country is deeply divided on foreign policy back home. ... No matter that she claimed to have stuck closely to administration positions in her conversations with Assad, smiling photos of Pelosi and the Syrian president convey the unspoken message that while the U.S. president is unwilling to talk with Syria, another wing of the government is. Assad made good use of the moment.

    Houston Chronicle: ... her actions are tantamount to aiding and abetting the enemy in a time of war. ... While Pelosi may feel her actions were appropriate, they were obviously motivated by political purposes. ... By her taking this trip during this time, she undermines the credibility of the United States and its policies. ... She and fellow Democrats pledged collegiality and bipartisan resolutions to the problems created by terrorists. ... I see now that their collegiality is with the terrorists, themselves -- not with the majority of peace-loving Americans.

    Baltimore Sun:

    As nation faces a grave threat, Pelosi assumes presidential power.

    ... Congressman Tom Lantos, who is a member of the delegation that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi led to Syria, put the mission clearly when he said: "We have an alternative, Democratic foreign policy." Democrats can have any foreign policy they want - if and when they are elected to the White House.

    ... Until Ms. Pelosi came along, it was understood by all that we had only one president at a time and - like him or not - he alone had the constitutional authority to speak for this country to foreign nations, especially in wartime.

    All that Ms. Pelosi's trip can accomplish is to advertise American disunity to a terrorist-sponsoring nation in the Middle East while we are in a war there. That in turn can only embolden the Syrians to exploit the lack of unified resolve in Washington by stepping up their efforts to destabilize Iraq and the Middle East in general.

    So what can we actually expect from Pelosi's hug-a-terrorist moment with al-Assad? Butkus!

    Like Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch says (listen here), "when it comes to negotiating with terrorist-harboring Islamic regimes, Pelosi and other Democrats simply do not get it. I think it's just another species of the appeasement that the Democratic Party is trying to pursue. They still believe that if they give the right combination of concessions to various Islamic states and majority Muslim countries, they will find there will be peace -- and I think they're going to be unpleasantly surprised.

    Related: Lantos lashes out at critics of Pelosi trip (no surprise here - naive liberal appeaser of terrorists defends naive liberal appeaser of terrorists.)


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    It's not a violation of anything. It's always been pretty damn clear that Pubs and Dems have different foreign policy ideals. As far as "borderline treason" there's no such thing, You either commit treason (like lying your ass off to send the country into an unnecessary war) or you don't.
    Quit being ridiculous. No one's trying to "lose the war on purpose." :cuckoo: That's just some stupid Rovian talking point you fell for.
     
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