Pelosi Demands Private Jet For Travel

[red states rule]

don't tar with me with other people's words. I have never ever ever suggested that the bush administration had anything to do with 9/11...other than ignoring the warning signs thereof. Like I said.... you go with that story of yours.... Bush said he was certain...and he was right...we found all the stockpiles of WMD's but we can't actually tell anyone about it because it is a secret. stay with that..... I think it's got legs.

the Dems said saddam had WMD's anf was a threat

Keep living in your own Twilight Zone and ignore the facts

 

[maineman]

the Dems said saddam had WMD's anf was a threat

Keep living in your own Twilight Zone and ignore the facts

so what?

some democrats said that...and those that said anything about Saddam's WMD threat were as wrong as Bush was..... Bush was the commander in chief...the buck stops at HIS desk.

and when it came time to VOTE, republicans in congress were nearly unanimous in their support for the use of force resolution whereas a majority of the democrats in congress voted against it.

 

[sitarro]

don't tar with me with other people's words. I have never ever ever suggested that the bush administration had anything to do with 9/11...other than ignoring the warning signs thereof. Like I said.... you go with that story of yours.... Bush said he was certain...and he was right...we found all the stockpiles of WMD's but we can't actually tell anyone about it because it is a secret. stay with that..... I think it's got legs.

I'm curious, since you claim the warning signs were ignored, what exactly should have been done by the administration to prevent 9/11? Do you actually believe the public or the Democrats would have allowed any real security without 9/11 happening first? What did the previous administration do to prevent terrorist attacks on our shores?

 

[maineman]

I'm curious, since you claim the warning signs were ignored, what exactly should have been done by the administration to prevent 9/11? Do you actually believe the public or the Democrats would have allowed any real security without 9/11 happening first? What did the previous administration do to prevent terrorist attacks on our shores?

the previous administration can not really be held too responsible for a terrorist attack that occured on our shores three weeks after they took over.... I think that Bush the first owns that one..... and in the eight years after that attack, there was not any further attacks on our shores.

I think that there was much that could have been done....much like Clinton did in stopping the Y2K bombing of LAX....by forcing the intelligence directors to talk to him and to each other daily...to shake the trees and demand that their organizations promptly funnel information to the top. The FBI KNEW that arabs were learning to fly jetliners at our schools and that they were not caring to learn how to land...they knew that months before 9/11. I believe that had Bush demanded in August, that the FBI, NSA and CIA started briefing him daily and shaking the tree daily and getting the word out to cut the bureaucracy and get information to the top quickly... that that information may have been used to identify and detain those arabs taking those flying lessons before 9/11. It may not have worked, but the fact of the matter is: it was never tried. Osama bin Laden determined to strike inside the US.... August.... nobody in the administration's inner circle gave a shit. the National Security Advisor was getting ready to deliver a major policy address on star wars on 9/11.... the attorney general was cutting 52 million from the anti-terrorism budget in the Justice department so he could move it to his anti-porn initiative.... clearly, there were steps that could have been taken and weren't.

 

[red states rule]

Tuesday, Aug. 9, 2005 12:06 p.m. EDT
Clinton Admin. Knew of 9/11 Hijackers

More than a year before the 9/11 attacks, Clinton administration intelligence officials had identified four of the 19 9/11 hijackers as a terrorist threat - including al-Qaida team leader Mohamed Atta and his partner Marwan al-Shehhi, whose planes destroyed the World Trade Center and killed over 2,700 people.

But the critical information was not acted on, at least in part, because of prohibitions against intelligence sharing implemented by former Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, who was reportedly installed in her post at the insistence of then-first lady Hillary Clinton.

In the summer of 2000, a military team, known as Able Danger, had prepared a chart that included visa photographs of Atta and al Shehhi and recommended to the military's Special Operations Command that the information be shared with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Rep. Curt Weldon and a former intelligence official told the New York Times.

"We knew these were bad guys, and we wanted to do something about them," the former intelligence official said.

However, the recommendation was rejected and the information was not shared, in part, said the Times, because the four suspects had entered the United States on valid entry visas.

But Rep. Weldon and the unnamed intelligence official also cited what the paper described as "a sense of discomfort common before Sept. 11 about sharing intelligence information with a law enforcement agency."

In fact, such intelligence sharing was strictly prohibited under Ms. Gorelick's policy, known at the Justice Department as "The Wall," which, in the spring of 2000, had also prevented the CIA from tipping off the FBI that two additional 9/11 hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, had entered the country.

Al-Midhar and al-Hamzi were identified by the Able Danger team as well, the Times said.

In its final report, however, the 9/11 Commission made no mention of the fact that the Clinton administration had identified key members of the hijack team, even though, the Times noted, that information had been shared with 9/11 Commission members.

The account by Weldon and the Times intelligence source is the first assertion that Atta and al Shehhi - who caused the most destruction in the worst attack ever suffered on U.S. soil - had been identified by the Clinton administration.

In testimony before the 9/11 Commission last year, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft blasted Gorelick's "Wall," saying, "The single greatest structural cause for September 11 was the wall that segregated criminal investigators and intelligence agents"


"[Ms. Gorelick] built that wall," said Ashcroft, "through a March 1995 memo."

The Gorelick memo stipulated, in part:

"We believe that it is prudent to establish a set of instructions that will more clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations. These procedures, which go beyond what is legally required, will prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that [the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation."

Ms. Gorelick is expected to be a leading candidate for attorney general should Mrs. Clinton win the 2008 presidential election.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/9/120750.shtml

 

[maineman]

ho hum...another rd stats rul post...another cut and paste.

 

[red states rule]

ho hum...another rd stats rul post...another cut and paste.

The truth sahll set you free MM

 

[maineman]

The truth sahll set you free MM

and the other rd stats rul variant...the pithy one-liner!

 

[sitarro]

the previous administration can not really be held too responsible for a terrorist attack that occured on our shores three weeks after they took over.... I think that Bush the first owns that one..... and in the eight years after that attack, there was not any further attacks on our shores.

I think that there was much that could have been done....much like Clinton did in stopping the Y2K bombing of LAX....by forcing the intelligence directors to talk to him and to each other daily...to shake the trees and demand that their organizations promptly funnel information to the top. The FBI KNEW that arabs were learning to fly jetliners at our schools and that they were not caring to learn how to land...they knew that months before 9/11. I believe that had Bush demanded in August, that the FBI, NSA and CIA started briefing him daily and shaking the tree daily and getting the word out to cut the bureaucracy and get information to the top quickly... that that information may have been used to identify and detain those arabs taking those flying lessons before 9/11. It may not have worked, but the fact of the matter is: it was never tried. Osama bin Laden determined to strike inside the US.... August.... nobody in the administration's inner circle gave a shit. the National Security Advisor was getting ready to deliver a major policy address on star wars on 9/11.... the attorney general was cutting 52 million from the anti-terrorism budget in the Justice department so he could move it to his anti-porn initiative.... clearly, there were steps that could have been taken and weren't.

Documentation? Or is that just you doing the standard Monday moning quarterbacking?

 

[red states rule]

Documentation? Or is that just you doing the standard Monday moning quarterbacking?

since I posted how Clinton knew about Atta and the other terrorists, he has to shift the attention away from his bud Bill

 

[glockmail]

Hope you have alot of time to wait

 

[maineman]

Documentation? Or is that just you doing the standard Monday moning quarterbacking?

what are you asking for now? links to Condi's plans to speak about star wars on 9/11? Links to Ashcroft cutting 52M from the antiterrorism task force budget?

Do I need to start posting links to dictionary.com to provide definitions in advance for all the words I use? Don't you know ANYTHING?

The guy who ran Al Qaeda is named Osama bin Laden. Do you need a link for that too?

 

[maineman]

since I posted how Clinton knew about Atta and the other terrorists, he has to shift the attention away from his bud Bill

Clinton's team did not know that Atta was planning to perpetrate 9/11. He was here on a valid visa. hindsight is 20/20.

I bet washington police would have loved to have been able to go back in time and arrest John Wilkes Boothe on april 13th 1865....

After the WTC was hit three weeks after his inauguration in '93, Clinton stopped any and all terrorist attacks on our shores for the rest of his eight years.

 

[red states rule]

Clinton's team did not know that Atta was planning to perpetrate 9/11. He was here on a valid visa. hindsight is 20/20.

I bet washington police would have loved to have been able to go back in time and arrest John Wilkes Boothe on april 13th 1865....

After the WTC was hit three weeks after his inauguration in '93, Clinton stopped any and all terrorist attacks on our shores for the rest of his eight years.

But he did nothing after 4 attacks overseas that killed many Americans

As far as Atta, it has the liberal way of fighing a PC war that led to 9-11

 

[glockmail]

But he did nothing after 4 attacks overseas that killed many Americans

As far as Atta, it has the liberal way of fighing a PC war that led to 9-11

I'm sure that this was all well documented in the documents that Sandy Berger stole from the National Archives.

 

[maineman]

But he did nothing after 4 attacks overseas that killed many Americans

As far as Atta, it has the liberal way of fighing a PC war that led to 9-11

but but but..... the fact is: our shores were safe from terrorists while Clinton was in office ...

and your opinion about what led to 9/11 is as valid as mine.... which is that Bush was too busy vacationing and cutting brush and grilling steaks and playing golf to worry about terrorism...that was so...so...last century for him. He was all about star wars and ZIP about terrorism right up until the planes hit the buildings...and then... he spent a little bit MORE time worrying about my pet goat before he got off his ass and did anything to protect America.

 

[red states rule]

but but but..... the fact is: our shores were safe from terrorists while Clinton was in office ...

and your opinion about what led to 9/11 is as valid as mine.... which is that Bush was too busy vacationing and cutting brush and grilling steaks and playing golf to worry about terrorism...that was so...so...last century for him. He was all about star wars and ZIP about terrorism right up until the planes hit the buildings...and then... he spent a little bit MORE time worrying about my pet goat before he got off his ass and did anything to protect America.

Clinton knew about Atta and the terrosist one year BEFORE 9-11 and did nothing. they did not want to appear to be racial profiling

Congress and Pres Bush take their vacation (even though any Pres is NEVER on a real vacation) in Aug of every year

 

[maineman]

Clinton knew about Atta and the terrosist one year BEFORE 9-11 and did nothing. they did not want to appear to be racial profiling

Congress and Pres Bush take their vacation (even though any Pres is NEVER on a real vacation) in Aug of every year

what did they know about him? did they know he was planning to fly an airplane into the WTC? what did they know? They knew he was in the country? big deal. He was here on a valid visa. end of story. He had done nothing illegal.

President Bush was cutting brush and golfing and grilling steaks and did NOTHING when told in August that Osama was determined to strike within our borders.

 

[glockmail]

but but but..... the fact is: our shores were safe from terrorists while Clinton was in office ...

and your opinion about what led to 9/11 is as valid as mine.... which is that Bush was too busy vacationing and cutting brush and grilling steaks and playing golf to worry about terrorism...that was so...so...last century for him. He was all about star wars and ZIP about terrorism right up until the planes hit the buildings...and then... he spent a little bit MORE time worrying about my pet goat before he got off his ass and did anything to protect America.

Clinton had 8 years and Bush had 9 months (not including the time required to fill vacancies in spite of feet dragging Democrats).

 

[maineman]

Clinton had 8 years and Bush had 9 months (not including the time required to fill vacancies in spite of feet dragging Democrats).

and after the first WTC attack, which happened a mere three weeks after his inauguration, Clinton kept terrorist attacks away from our shores.

Bush went on vacation and didn't give a shit when told Osama was going to strike.... he was worried about star wars and not terrorism....and Ashcroft was worried about pornography and not about terrorism.