Pastors try to pick a tax fight with IRS

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    Look at the highlighted part! Nobody is saying that pastors can't say what they want. As the IRS rule is currently written, churches and other charitable organizations are not permitted to campaign on election issues if they want to maintain their tax-exempt status.

    So, for cryin' out loud, pick the ONE thing that's more important to you! Is it more important to you to have a tax exempt status? Or is it more important to you to be able to use your church to pontificate on political issues? And then CHOOSE that one instead of trying to have your cake and eat it too.


     
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    "Mr. Garlow said he planned to outline where the candidates stood on various issues and then discuss what the Bible said about those issues, calling on church members to stand by their religious principles.
    “The Bible says render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s,” he said. “But Caesar is demanding more and more of what was once considered God’s matter, and pastors have been bullied and intimidated enough.”

    How in the hell is this campaigning?



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    How is it campaigning? It's nothing but campaigning. The pastor in question isn't ministering to the souls of his flock. He's taking a political position where he's trying to make the case that their Christian faith compels or requires them to vote for or against a particular candidate or political party.

    To my knowledge, that is the antithesis of the Christian message because he's essentially demonizing (both literally and figuratively) Democrats.
     
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    “There should be no government intrusion in the pulpit,” said the Rev. James Garlow, senior pastor at Skyline Church in La Mesa, Calif., who led preachers in the battle to pass California’s Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage.

    This one Rev is who you are concerned with?
    Or are you thinking that preachers tell their parishioners who to vote for?

    To me it was very clear what they are trying to accomplish, using their words:

    "Mr. Garlow said he planned to outline where the candidates stood on various issues and then discuss what the Bible said about those issues, calling on church members to stand by their religious principles."

    Does not appear to me that preachers are shouting at their flock to "Vote for Obama!"
     
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    As long as they don't campaign for a specific candidate or against a specific candidate, they are not in any jeopardy of losing their tax exempt statis.

    This is direct from the IRS website:
    Currently, the law prohibits political campaign activity by charities and churches by defining a 501(c)(3) organization as one "which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office."

    They can and should discuss the issues, the candidates positions and how the Bible addresses both the issues and positions.

    What they can't do is say "Vote for Romney" or "Don't vote for Obama".
     
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    It's about time all Christian leaders left the pulpit and started advocating! Martin Luther King Jr. all over again! Billy Graham's Firm Advocacy Here We Come!
     
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    :clap2: Exactly!
     
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    "Pastors try to pick a tax fight with IRS"

    That is about the stupidest headline the NYT has ever run.

    Nobody 'picks' a fight with the IRS.
     
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    :lol: I do every time I file a tax return!
    They don't like it when I fill it out with a yellow crayon.
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    That does not count as 'picking a fight'. You know that they will not do anything because they write with crayon on inter-office memos..
     

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