Palestine well known in 1249

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    For the persons on here that have been claiming that Palestine and Palestinians were unknown until to 20th Century,well you are wrong completely wrong,as the educated on here knew all along.

    The account of the French biographer of St Louis, JOINVILLE states in 1249 "that the kings's (St Louis) dealings with the Assassins after his arrival in Palestine is of a different order etc,."

    The Assassins,now they are another story and well worth reading about,eventually wiped out by the Great Ghengis Khan,the few of these people who managed to escape are today a mere blip in history and their titular head today is the AGA KHAN.

    They were the Original Murder for hire,Islamists who were brilliant at disguise and deception....and assassination(this is where we get the word from).

    These modus-operandi was that each Assassin,was promised Paradise,in a beautiful garden,the pleasures of many virgins etc,. Much like the Terrorist of today.

    Their main targets were other Muslim Cheifs and Leaders,occassionally Christians Knights Tempalars and Hospitalars from Europe plus other nobles,their mistake was in trying to Assassinate Ghengis Khan,which they almost did,(40 were sent) but foiled....The Great Khan (Gengis) decreed to wipe them from the face of the earth...which they did to an effective degree.

    But back to my original point the area around Jeruslem and its surround was by the 12 Century KNOWN AS PALESTINE. theliq:cool:
     
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    Eminent Historian Bernard Lewis...:lol:
    Cambridge University Press :lol:
    Encyclopedia of the Ottoman Empire... :lol:
     
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    I'm sorry Stoney but Joinvilles account was written at the time 1249,the other thing is I have studied Ghengis Khan in great detail and he received much BAD press over the years,he was infact a brilliant Military Strategist,in his Capital Quaroran,he had complete freedom of speech and faith.....hence people from throughout the world including Jews and Christians lived and worked there moreover at one time the Crusaders requested his help against Saladin and the Sarecens but his emmesaries (he used Chinese subjects for all his administrative work throughout his vast empire,anyway they told the Templars that he couldn't help because certain elements of their force were cannibals!!!!!!!which proved to be true!!!!!!!!

    Ghengis Khan only promoted by ability not by favour and the loyalty of his conquered subjects was profound,he conquered from China to close to Vienna in Europe.

    Stoned by 1249 the Jews had been dispersed throughout the know world by then,many living as far away as Spain where there was a large community who lived freely under Muslim rule at the time,regrettably when the Christians under Phillip of Spain defeated the Muslims(who had by then created stupendous cities,and even the Christians at the time were so impressed they did not destroy or raise these cities to the ground,these towns and cities are still there for us to admire today,the Muslims had by this time built Universities and were the pinnicle of learning,it was here that Jews developed and grew,such was their mental capacity to lean and innovate etc,.)But when the Christians took over it was the usual anti-semetism and banishment,not only Spain but all over Europe and England.These Pograms were much like the Pograms in Russia in 1890's and 1900's.....where many Jewish families migrated to the US,England and countries like South Africa,Australia and New Zealand.The final disgraceful attack against the Jewish people was 30 years or so later under hitler and the nazis,the German people(most) and many others including Croatians and parts of the Catholic Church,who were partners in this attempt to wipe out Jews from the face of the earth.

    Christians at these times blamed the Jews for the death of Christ.

    Thankfully they failed,my only argument with you is that you are attempting to airbrush the Palestinians out of history which when you reflect on the nazis,thats exactly what they attempted to do and almost succeeded.The irony is that when hitler had finished with the Jews his next target was the Palestinians , he and the nazis believe they were related.

    Palestinians have every right like the Jews have every right to their own homeland,samantics aside this is only the fair thing as most Jews will agree too...the problem with some ultra orthodox Jews is that they are moving the goal posts to ensure this will not happen,much like Hamas in their call to eliminate Jews both sides are the same....Idiots.

    Stoned I know often you read passages of the Bible but I like to read of peoples utterings in or at real time when it was happening(witnesses if you like)not from a book where the writings are often centuries after the event.

    steven..aka theliq:cool:As for your comments on ATATURK you are completely wrong,he bought the Turks/Ottomans after WW1 into the 20th Century as a Secular Society and is renown for his Brilliance as not only his Military prowess but as a Peace Time Leader.

    %%%%%AS FOR JILLIAN WHO KEEPS SENDING ME BORING MESSAGES....LIKE STONED AND OTHERS,YOU SHOULD GET OUT MORE AND START TO LIVE!!!!!!!
     
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    You lost the debate, as usual. Now, walk away.

    American Library Association
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    Association for the Study of the Middle East and Africa
    Bernard Lewis...
     
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    is that the same bernard lewis who insists there was no armenian genocide and that iran was definitely going to nuke israel on august 22, 2006?

    yeah, he's credible. :rofl:

    go backwash a filter pool boi.
     
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    No link.

    Supposition.

    And no mention of where this Palestine is located. Only your lame last sentence.

    STFU
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    This Bernard Lewis, chat room post reader...

    Princeton University Press...
     
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    what was the capital of a palestinian state?
    what was its form of government?
    who were its trading partners?
    what was it's primary means of acquiring wealth?

    thanks for playing.
     
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    How many times is Palestine mentioned in the Bible: Zero times.:lol:

    Israel is referenced 2000 times in the Bible :lol:
     
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    Well, no. Jews are a distinct people. Pallies are merely Arabs from Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Algeria and elsewhere who flooded into Israel during the 20th century to sponge off of Jewish prosperity. There are over 22 Arab countries, all shitholes.

    Former PLO Leader Zuheir Mohsen...
    There is absolutely no archaeological record of any Palestinian civilization in Israel.

    On the other hand, there is a 3000 year archaeological record verifying an Israeli civilization in their country of Israel.

    Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...
    PBS: Civilization and the Jews
    University of Chicago Oriental Institute---Empires in the Fertile Crescent: : Israel, Ancient Assyria, and Anatolia
    Harvard Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel
    University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology: Canaan and Ancient Israel
    Yale Law School Faculty Scholarship Series: Ancient Land Law in Israel, Mesopotamia, Egypt
    Yale University Press: Education in Ancient Israel
    Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel
    Cambridge University Press: The World of Ancient Israel
    The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

    Cambridge University Press: Wisdom in Ancient Israel
    Wisdom in Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

    PBS Nova...
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c]1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube[/ame]
     

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