Palestine: the things you don’t hear about

[MartyNYC]

RE: Palestine: the things you don’t hear about
⁜→ P F Tinmore, MartyNYC, et al,

BLUF: First off → great photo... And the photo is a great example of what I don't hear about. The existence of the "State of Palestine" and the circumstances under which it was established can setoff a debate; but in this context, we all understand (at least in part) the territory to which "P F Tinmore" refers. Intellectually we know about that of which he speaks. We can't help but know, fore it just pops into our minds of what he speaks.

Palestinian mountain gazelle in the Northern Jordan Valley. Photo by Jameel Abu Snaina.

Where is “palestine”?

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The existence of the "State of Palestine" and the circumstances under which it was established can setoff a debate; but in this context, we all understand (at least in part) what territory to which "P F Tinmore" refers.

We "recognize" the territory, in general-political terms, that to which "P F Tinmore" tangentially refers, even as we challenge the measurement of a surface (Area = ||x × y||). We can argue about the magnitude of control, the political persuasions in play, and the area of the plane; even though the scope and nature of the claim (varying between the various factions) are a matter under debate and examination.

Although "P F TINMORE" does not point it out, the mere fact that we recognize (immediately) to that which uncommunicated, the recognition may be under debate ("The Question of Palestine") it remains conditional - yet! it is none the less → irrevocable. At least for now.

Most Respectfully,
R

Everybody who knows anything about this issue knows where Palestine is. Some just keep parroting Israel's BS talking points because they are losing their dominant narrative.

Palestine was a fictional Roman name for ancient Israel. Later, it was Britain’s fictional name for the British Mandate which became modern Israel. There was no place palestine in the preceding 400 years of the Ottoman Empire. So, palestine was a fake European term for Jews’ homeland.

I rest my case.

You’ve been trolling for 11+ years, 58,000+ posts about “palestine,” and you were clueless that it was a name originally associated with Jews. There never has been any place palestine founded by Arabs, “Palestinians“ (Arabs), Muslims, or any other Middle Eastern people.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine: the things you don’t hear about
⁜→ P F Tinmore, MartyNYC, et al,

BLUF: No that is not right either...

Everybody who knows anything about this issue knows where Palestine is. Some just keep parroting Israel's BS talking points because they are losing their dominant narrative.

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Paul, don't get carries awaay. Palestine exists in different forms, depending upon the specific point on the timeline.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MartyNYC]

RE: Palestine: the things you don’t hear about
⁜→ P F Tinmore, MartyNYC, et al,

BLUF: No that is not right either...

Everybody who knows anything about this issue knows where Palestine is. Some just keep parroting Israel's BS talking points because they are losing their dominant narrative.

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Paul, don't get carries awaay. Palestine exists in different forms, depending upon the specific point on the timeline.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine is a European term. Maybe, it’s in Europe. It’s not in the Middle East.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine: the things you don’t hear about
⁜→ P F Tinmore, MartyNYC, et al,

BLUF: No that is not right either...

Everybody who knows anything about this issue knows where Palestine is. Some just keep parroting Israel's BS talking points because they are losing their dominant narrative.

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Paul, don't get carries awaay. Palestine exists in different forms, depending upon the specific point on the timeline.

Most Respectfully,
R

The point I am trying to make is when people hear BS talking points a gazillion times all their life without a counter narrative they believe them at face value. They become an "everybody knows" thing even if it is false.

 

[MartyNYC]

RE: Palestine: the things you don’t hear about
⁜→ P F Tinmore, MartyNYC, et al,

BLUF: No that is not right either...

Everybody who knows anything about this issue knows where Palestine is. Some just keep parroting Israel's BS talking points because they are losing their dominant narrative.

(COMMENT)

Paul, don't get carries awaay. Palestine exists in different forms, depending upon the specific point on the timeline.

Most Respectfully,
R

The point I am trying to make is when people hear BS talking points a gazillion times all their life without a counter narrative they believe them at face value. They become an "everybody knows" thing even if it is false.

Palestine is “BS.” Prominent Arab scholar and nationalist George Antonius acknowledged it was merely the name for the British Mandate—A Western invention...

 

[P F Tinmore]

A sand sculpture by Palestinian artist Rana al-Rimawi marking the World Refugee Day. Photo by Majdi Fathi.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian farmers pick and collect grapes in the Gaza Strip.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It's grape season in Occupied Palestine!
Artwork by Palestinian artist Reem al-Ghouti.

 

[fncceo]

A sand sculpture by Palestinian artist Rana al-Rimawi marking the World Refugee Day. Photo by Majdi Fathi.

Sand sculptures, like the idea of an Arab State in Israel, are quickly washed away and forgotten.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Happy little girl plays at al-Aqsa Mosque's courtyard in Jerusalem. Photo by Fadi Amirah.

 

[fncceo]

Happy little girl plays at al-Aqsa Mosque's courtyard in Jerusalem. Photo by Fadi Amirah.

"Mommy? Where are the rocks I can throw over the wall onto the Jews?"

 

[fncceo]

Palestinian farmers pick and collect grapes in the Gaza Strip.

And the boxes are all labeled in Hebrew... fancy that.

 

[P F Tinmore]

A Palestinian street vendor sells ice-cold carob juice at a West Bank market. Photo by Shadi Jarar'ah.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian farmers harvest wheat in al-Mughayyir village, Ramallah, Occupied West Bank. Photo by Shadi Jarar'ah.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine: the things you don’t hear about
⁜→ P F Tinmore, MartyNYC, et al,

BLUF: No that is not right either...


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Paul, don't get carries awaay. Palestine exists in different forms, depending upon the specific point on the timeline.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not really. Palestine was born into occupation and is still there.

 

[P F Tinmore]

A Palestinian woman makes straw baskets and trays in Beit Ula village, al-Khalil, Occupied West Bank.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine: the things you don’t hear about
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) had been recognized by the League of Arab States (1974) as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. But it took more than a decade for the framework to evolve to the point that the Palestinian National Council (PNC) bloom and approved (on behalf of the Arab-Palestinians) the political move by the PLO to declared independence (1988). Yitzḥak Shamir was the Prime Minister, a former member of the Irgun Zvai Leumi (IZL) (AKA: Irgun), in their struggle for Israeli Independence, understood what was happening, but was not sure what form of territorial sovereignty the PLO had in mind.

Not really. Palestine was born into occupation and is still there.

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It should be understood that in the interval between the PLO declaring independence and now, the PLO has unable to establish and territorial integrity in which the Arab Palestinians have been able to exercise sovereign rule as a state (full political, legislative, finance, civil, judicial, and security control).

When you say "born into occupation" → what you are actually saying is that the Arab Palestinians were still-born as a nation.

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First published Sat May 31, 2003; substantive revision Fri Mar 25, 2016​

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In 2005, with the unilateral withdrawal of the Israeli component from the Gaza Strip, the Israelis effectively handed the Arab Palestinian the territory in which to develop their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized until such time as they are able to stand alone. In the intervening 15 years, the Arab Palestinian have NOT been able to demonstrate such.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine: the things you don’t hear about
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) had been recognized by the League of Arab States (1974) as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. But it took more than a decade for the framework to evolve to the point that the Palestinian National Council (PNC) bloom and approved (on behalf of the Arab-Palestinians) the political move by the PLO to declared independence (1988). Yitzḥak Shamir was the Prime Minister, a former member of the Irgun Zvai Leumi (IZL) (AKA: Irgun), in their struggle for Israeli Independence, understood what was happening, but was not sure what form of territorial sovereignty the PLO had in mind.


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It should be understood that in the interval between the PLO declaring independence and now, the PLO has unable to establish and territorial integrity in which the Arab Palestinians have been able to exercise sovereign rule as a state (full political, legislative, finance, civil, judicial, and security control).

When you say "born into occupation" → what you are actually saying is that the Arab Palestinians were still-born as a nation.

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In 2005, with the unilateral withdrawal of the Israeli component from the Gaza Strip, the Israelis effectively handed the Arab Palestinian the territory in which to develop their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized until such time as they are able to stand alone. In the intervening 15 years, the Arab Palestinian have NOT been able to demonstrate such.

Most Respectfully,
R

So? They have still been occupied for a hundred years.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian children swim at the beach at sunset in Gaza City. Photo by Majdi Fathi.

 

[rylah]

So? They have still been occupied for a hundred years.

So there was a sovereign Arab state in Palestine a hundred years ago?
Or any, ever in history?

Name one state leader of any such sovereign government.
Won't, because the only time Arabs ruled the land was as foreign Caliphate invaders.