Palestine as Kosovo?

[P F Tinmore]

Drafting of the mandate

The British Foreign Secretary, Lord Curzon, together with the Italian and French governments rejected early drafts of the mandate because it had contained a passage which read: "Recognizing, moreover, the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and the claim which this gives them to reconstitute it their national home..."

The Palestine Committee set up by the Foreign Office recommended that the reference to 'the claim' be omitted. The Allies had already noted the historical connection in the Treaty of Sèvres, but they had recognised no legal claim. They felt that whatever might be done for the Jewish people was based entirely on sentimental grounds. Further, they felt that all that was necessary was to make room for Zionists in Palestine, not that they should turn 'it', that is the whole country, into their home.

A legal analysis performed by the International Court of Justice noted that the Covenant of the League of Nations had provisionally recognised the communities of Palestine as independent nations. The mandate simply marked a transitory period, with the aim and object of leading the mandated territory to become an independent self-governing State.[74] Judge Higgins explained that the Palestinian people are entitled to their territory, to exercise self-determination, and to have their own State."

British Mandate for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Marc39]

Drafting of the mandate

The British Foreign Secretary, Lord Curzon, together with the Italian and French governments rejected early drafts of the mandate because it had contained a passage which read: "Recognizing, moreover, the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and the claim which this gives them to reconstitute it their national home..."

The Palestine Committee set up by the Foreign Office recommended that the reference to 'the claim' be omitted. The Allies had already noted the historical connection in the Treaty of Sèvres, but they had recognised no legal claim. They felt that whatever might be done for the Jewish people was based entirely on sentimental grounds. Further, they felt that all that was necessary was to make room for Zionists in Palestine, not that they should turn 'it', that is the whole country, into their home.

A legal analysis performed by the International Court of Justice noted that the Covenant of the League of Nations had provisionally recognised the communities of Palestine as independent nations. The mandate simply marked a transitory period, with the aim and object of leading the mandated territory to become an independent self-governing State.[74] Judge Higgins explained that the Palestinian people are entitled to their territory, to exercise self-determination, and to have their own State."

British Mandate for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The 51 member states comprising the League of Nations, which represented most of the world, unanimously ratified the Palestine Mandate establishing Palestine as the Jewish homeland.

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate


Now, even you iknow.

 

[docmauser1]

A legal analysis performed by the International Court of Justice noted that the Covenant of the League of Nations had provisionally recognised the communities of Palestine as independent nations.

Cool! So, why would dumbass arabs dispute the independent nation of jews, then?

 

[Marc39]

Quote: Originally Posted by P F Tinmore
A legal analysis performed by the International Court of Justice noted that the Covenant of the League of Nations had provisionally recognised the communities of Palestine as independent nations.

Both you and the ICJ are historically ignorant: League of Nations' Mandates for statehood of Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Jordan recognized the communities of Palestine.

Palestine was always viewed as southern Syria.

The correct geographic name is Judea or Canaan, not Palestine. Palestine was a Roman invention.

 

[georgephillip]

"Belligerent occupation is governed by The Hague Regulations of 1907, as well as by the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, and the customary laws of belligerent occupation.

"Security Council Resolution 1322 (2000), paragraph 3 continued: 'Calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by its legal obligations and its responsibilities under the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in a Time of War of 12 August 1949;...'

"Again, the Security Council vote was 14 to 0, becoming obligatory international law."

International Law

Are you paid to post ignorance?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine is the homeland of the Jews.

Israel is a separate entity that has no connection with the Palestine Mandate.

 

[Marc39]

Palestine is the homeland of the Jews.

Israel is a separate entity that has no connection with the Palestine Mandate.

Nonsense, dummy.

The Palestine Mandate was ratified by the League of Nations to establish a Jewish homeland, not an Arab homeland, that would eventuate in a Jewish state, not an Arab state.

Read, learn, dummy...

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions

An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate


Now, even you know, dummy.

 

[georgephillip]

"Israel is the target of at least 65 UN Resolutions and the Palestinians are the target of none.

"Aside from the core issues—refugees, Jerusalem, borders—the major themes reflected in the U.N. resolutions against Israel over the years are its unlawful attacks on its neighbors; its violations of the human rights of the Palestinians, including deportations, demolitions of homes and other collective punishments; its confiscation of Palestinian land; its establishment of illegal settlements; and its refusal to abide by the U.N. Charter and the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War."

If Americans Knew

 

[Marc39]

"Israel is the target of at least 65 UN Resolutions and the Palestinians are the target of none[/B].

Not one is binding, clueless one. Must not be very serious, after all.

 

[georgephillip]

Not binding because the US prevents any meaningful enforcement.

Follow the money.

Hasbara.

 

[Marc39]

Not binding because the US prevents any meaningful enforcement.

Follow the money.

Hasbara.

Wrong, clueless one.

Every UN resolution against Israel is non-binding because the UN has adopted the resolutions as non-binding, signifying they are not worth the paper written on.

Now, you know, clueless one.

 

[georgephillip]

"Blut und Boden (Blood and Soil):
The Roots of Zionist Racism

It was anti-Semitism – alone – that generated Zionism.

"Herzl could not ground his movement in anything positively Jewish.

"Although he sought the support of the rabbis, he personally was not devout.

"He had no special concern for Palestine, the ancient homeland; he was quite eager to accept the Kenya Highlands, at least on a temporary basis.

"He had no interest in Hebrew; he saw his Jewish state as a linguistic Switzerland.

"He had to think of race, for it was in the air; the Teutonic anti-Semites were talking of the Jews as a race, but he soon discarded the doctrine, and gave a paradoxical discussion with Israel Zangwill, one of his earliest adherents, as the instance for his rejection. He portrayed the Anglo-Jewish writer as:

'of the long-nosed Negro type, with wooly deep-black hair ... He maintains, however, the racial point of view – something I can’t accept, for I have merely to look at him and at myself. All I say is: we are an historical unit, one nation with anthropological diversities.'"

Do you find Herzl's "anthropological diversities" binding?

Blut and Boden

 

[Marc39]

"Blut und Boden (Blood and Soil):
The Roots of Zionist Racism

Denying Jews self-determination, Zionism, constitutes anti-Semitism, based on US and EU guidelines.

Take your Jew hatred to stormfront, Nazi.

US Department of State
Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism:A Report Provided to the United States Congress

Anti-Semitism is one of the oldest forms of malicious intolerance and violates the precepts of human dignity and equality that are fundamental to a free and peaceful society.
History has shown that wherever anti-Semitism has gone unchecked, the persecution of others has been present or not far behind.

Defeating anti-Semitism must be a cause of great importance not only for Jews, but for all people who value humanity and justice and want to live in a more tolerant, peaceful world. Together, we must continue our efforts to monitor and combat anti-Semitism in all of its forms wherever and whenever it occurs.

Forms of Anti-Semitism

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination.…
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism:A Report Provided to the United States Congress

EUMC...
Examples of the ways in which antiSemitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel, drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, eg, by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.

FRA - European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights

 

[Marc39]

"Blut und Boden (Blood and Soil):
The Roots of Zionist Racism

Was ardent Zionist Martin Luther King, Jr. a racist?

When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism.

I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.

I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews -- because bigotry in any form is an affront to us all.

"I have a dream" for peace in the Middle East / King's special bond with Israel

 

[georgephillip]

True or False, "Princeton"...

"The German university graduates, who took over the Zionist movement after Herzl’s death, developed the modernist-racist ideology of Jewish separatism.

"They had been powerfully influenced by their pan-Germanic fellow students of the Wandervögel (wandering birds or free spirits) who dominated the German campuses before 1914.

"These chauvinists rejected the Jews as not being of Germanic Blut; therefore they could never be part of the German Volk and were thoroughly alien to the Teutonic Boden or soil.

"All Jewish students were compelled to grapple with these concepts which surrounded them. A few moved left and joined the Social Democrats. To them this was just more bourgeois nationalism and was to be fought as such.

"Most remained conventionally Kaiser-treu, stout nationalists who insisted that a thousand years on the German Boden had made them into 'Germans of the Mosaic persuasion'.

"But a portion of the Jewish students adopted the wandervogel ideology whole and simply translated it into Zionist terminology.

"They agreed with the anti-Semites on several key points: the Jews were not part of the German Volk and, of course, Jews and Germans should not mix sexually, not for the traditional religious reasons, but for the sake of their own unique Blut.

"Not being of Teutonic Blut, they perforce had to have their own Boden: Palestine.

Blut and Boden

 

[Marc39]

True or False, "Princeton"...

"The German university graduates, who took over the Zionist movement after Herzl’s death, developed the modernist-racist ideology of Jewish separatism.

True that Nazis like you violate US and EU guidelines for antiSemitism in denying Jewish self-determination.

Were the criminals who raised you Nazis, too?

US Department of State
Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism:A Report Provided to the United States Congress

Anti-Semitism is one of the oldest forms of malicious intolerance and violates the precepts of human dignity and equality that are fundamental to a free and peaceful society.
History has shown that wherever anti-Semitism has gone unchecked, the persecution of others has been present or not far behind.

Defeating anti-Semitism must be a cause of great importance not only for Jews, but for all people who value humanity and justice and want to live in a more tolerant, peaceful world. Together, we must continue our efforts to monitor and combat anti-Semitism in all of its forms wherever and whenever it occurs.

Forms of Anti-Semitism

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination.…
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism:A Report Provided to the United States Congress

EUMC...
Examples of the ways in which antiSemitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel, drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, eg, by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.

FRA - European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights

 

[georgephillip]

You seem to have problems with History...

"Avraham Stern and his followers announced that

"The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:

"1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.

"2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and,

"3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.

"Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany's side.

"They hanged people all over Europe after WWII for notes to the Nazis like these."

51 Documents

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not binding because the US prevents any meaningful enforcement.

Follow the money.

Hasbara.

Wrong, clueless one.

Every UN resolution against Israel is non-binding because the UN has adopted the resolutions as non-binding, signifying they are not worth the paper written on.

Now, you know, clueless one.

Resolution 181 was non binding, and unimplemented, yet Israel points to the UN to pretend it has legitimacy.

 

[Marc39]

Not binding because the US prevents any meaningful enforcement.

Follow the money.

Hasbara.

Wrong, clueless one.

Every UN resolution against Israel is non-binding because the UN has adopted the resolutions as non-binding, signifying they are not worth the paper written on.

Now, you know, clueless one.

Resolution 181 was non binding, and unimplemented, yet Israel points to the UN to pretend it has legitimacy.

Wrong, silly little boy.

A majority of the UN General Assembly ratified UN Res. 181 endorsing Israeli statehood and Israel accepted.

The Arabs rejected 181 and launched a war against the Jews.

Eminent Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...

On 29 November, 1947, the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted a resolution approving the partition of mandatory Palestine into three components: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an international zone. As the Mandate came to an end, the Jews began to form their state; the Palestinian Arab leaders and the Arab governments rejected the partition resolution and went to war to prevent its implementation.

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[P F Tinmore]

Wrong, clueless one.

Every UN resolution against Israel is non-binding because the UN has adopted the resolutions as non-binding, signifying they are not worth the paper written on.

Now, you know, clueless one.

Resolution 181 was non binding, and unimplemented, yet Israel points to the UN to pretend it has legitimacy.

Wrong, silly little boy.

A majority of the UN General Assembly ratified UN Res. 181 endorsing Israeli statehood and Israel accepted.

The Arabs rejected 181 and launched a war against the Jews.

Eminent Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...

On 29 November, 1947, the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted a resolution approving the partition of mandatory Palestine into three components: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an international zone. As the Mandate came to an end, the Jews began to form their state; the Palestinian Arab leaders and the Arab governments rejected the partition resolution and went to war to prevent its implementation.

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A majority of the UN General Assembly ratified UN Res. 181

Resolution 181 was non binding and unimplemented. It means nothing.