Pain and Balanced Budgets

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How much pain or sacrifice would you endure to fix the economy? (Multiple choice)

  1. None. I am confident our elected leaders have it under control.

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  2. None. I expect to die before anything becomes really critical.

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  3. None. I am prepared to go down with the ship.

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  4. None myself but I am willing to have others sacrifice.

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  5. So long as sacrifice is uniform, I will accept whatever is necessary.

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  6. I will do my part even if others do not.

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    20.0%
  7. I won’t accept a ‘cure’ that is worse than the ‘disease’

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  8. I just don’t allow myself to think about it.

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  9. What’s the point? We’re doomed and that’s that.

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  10. Other and I’ll explain in my post.

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  1. Foxfyre
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    Most political threads focus on blaming somebody for what has happened in the past, what is happening now, or what is intended to happen in the future. And there is no greater point of contention or blame or fault finding than what the federal government does with the people's money.

    In my opinion, it is no longer important whose fault it is. I believe we are at the jumping off place, the absolute last chance we have to start turning it around. Or it will be too late.

    Hal Mason, a retired accountant, has been quoted quite a bit on many of the financial sites recently and has put together a short video illustrating the problem we have.

    United States Budget Dilemma.wmv - YouTube

    The point he makes is that it will require considerable sacrifice and pain for everybody to stop our headlong rush into national bankruptcy and generations of stagnation.

    Is he right? If not, how is he wrong? If so, how much pain/sacrifice would you endure personally to fix the problem?
     
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    Don't worry your pretty little head. The wealthy & corporations have it rigged so that they won't feel a thing.
     
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    Well again, I'm not interested in affixing blame here. I want to know what, if anything, you and anybody else who is interested in the topic are willing to do about it personally.
     
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    What's the point in discussing it? The "little" people will be the only ones to sacrifice and made to feel the "pain"... Even though the wealthy and corporations caused the mess we're in alongside the governmnet (who also happen to be wealthy people). You may want to ask yourself instead, "how much
    can we take before the pitchforks come out?"
     
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    So your response to the poll is No. 9?
     
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    Remember President Obama's elite budget cutting group that was to cut $1.2 trillion out of the budget over the next 10 years? Has a single dime been eliminated from the budget as a result of that group? How much does the committee itself cost us? Inquiring minds want to know.

    But here's some ideas of how they can do it. How many of you would agree to these cuts?

    Chuck Woolery on Budget Cuts - YouTube
     
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    I would say that, yes, this country is doomed if we do not get money out of politics. And the wealthy and corporations have themselves so well insulated, that short of a proletariat coup, I don't see that happening. I just don't understand why you're asking this question when you know good and well there will be no such thing as "shared sacrifice"...
     
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    Where's the R "option" of "Take every penny from the poor, the elderly and children and give it to the wealthy"?
     
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    Well there sure as heck won't be if those who us who want it don't talk about it and vote for it when they get the chance.

    About getting money out of politics, I have long argued that the only thing that will fix the system is an iron clad law, preferably a constitutional amendment, that the federal government at any level cannot expend or obligate one dime of the people's money that benefits any individual, entity, group, or demographic that does not equally benefit all regardless of political party, socioeconomic status, or ideological leanings.

    Would you agree to that?
     
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    Problem with that is... the wealthy and corporations pay for and choose who we get to elect.

    The only thing that will work is outlawing any contribution over $100 per social security or voter registration number. Set up a set, even public fund for each person being considered for election and outlaw campaign contributions other than what I mentioned above. No corporations, no unions, no special interest groups should be allowed to contribute, ONLY the people in them. Lobbyists can talk all day and night to our congresspeople, but should not be the only ones with direct access (money). Right now, average American people have ZERO voice.
     

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