Ore. Rep. Moves to Make Cigarettes Prescription-Only, Threatens One Year in Jail...

[WillowTree]

How about let people smoke as often as they like, but refuse them medical treatment. Or let them pay the whole cost themselves.

Same for alcohol same for aids.

 

[Foxfyre]

How about let people smoke as often as they like, but refuse them medical treatment. Or let them pay the whole cost themselves.

This is exactly what freedom looks like. If you want to be stupid and irresponsible with your body and health, the person who is truly free can be stupid and irresponsible with his/her body and health. But, everybody should be required to live with the consequences of the choices they make including the cost. It is for that reason that federal government supplied 'benevolence' in the form of health care or welfare or whatever is not the way for a free people to go. While there is some genuine compassion that is accomplished, the government too often punishes the successful and responsible and rewards those who make the worst choices.

When we have to be accountable and suffer consequences for making bad choices, we are far more likely to make better ones.

 

[Staidhup]

And the march towards Totalitarianism goes on.

First they impose a heavy “sin tax.” Then they kick you outdoors. Then they ban you from certain public areas. Now this:

Bill Proposed in Oregon to Make Cigarettes Prescription Only Drugs! - 1/24/13 - YouTube

Rep. Mitch Greenlick, from Portland, is sponsoring a bill that makes cigarettes a Schedule III controlled substance, meaning it would be illegal to possess or distribute cigarettes without a doctor’s prescription,” Fox 12 Oregon reports.

“Other drugs and substances that are considered Schedule III controlled substances are ketamine, lysergic acid and anabolic steroids,” the report adds.

Should the bill pass, and even Rep. Greenlick doesn’t think it will, offenders would face fines of up to $6,250, one year in jail, or both...

Ore. Rep. Moves to Make Cigarettes Prescription-Only, Threatens One Year in Jail and/or $6K+ Fine | Video | TheBlaze.com

Great idea. Tobacco kills and, the cost to tax payers for medical treatment/care, a direct result of smoking, is enormous. I don't support jail for the end user, possibly a drug diversion program wherein they can learn to quit and of the health consequences if they do not. Growers of tobacco are no different than producers/traffickers of narcotics and crack.

Here's a great solution. If someone chooses to smoke, then their medical care/treatment is their own expense. There's no logical, decent reason why taxpayers should be dunned to pay for anyone's self-inflicted medical issues. That is another great flaw in the government gimme programs.

Leave it to the progressive mind set to propose without thinking. The new health care reform bill, rammed down the throats of American citizens, provides insurance companies the opportunity to financially penalize smokers with premium penalties of between $2,000 and $4,000 per year resulting in annual premiums of up to over $6,000 per year for older smokers. According to our insurance coverage company not too many law makers fully comprehended the bill they passed and the impact it will have on the demographics they were attempting to provide mandated insurance coverage for.

I can hear it now, "what ya in fo fool, pushing cigs"

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

And the march towards Totalitarianism goes on.

First they impose a heavy “sin tax.” Then they kick you outdoors. Then they ban you from certain public areas. Now this:

Bill Proposed in Oregon to Make Cigarettes Prescription Only Drugs! - 1/24/13 - YouTube

Rep. Mitch Greenlick, from Portland, is sponsoring a bill that makes cigarettes a Schedule III controlled substance, meaning it would be illegal to possess or distribute cigarettes without a doctor’s prescription,” Fox 12 Oregon reports.

“Other drugs and substances that are considered Schedule III controlled substances are ketamine, lysergic acid and anabolic steroids,” the report adds.

Should the bill pass, and even Rep. Greenlick doesn’t think it will, offenders would face fines of up to $6,250, one year in jail, or both...

Ore. Rep. Moves to Make Cigarettes Prescription-Only, Threatens One Year in Jail and/or $6K+ Fine | Video | TheBlaze.com

no one cares.

 

[WillowTree]

And the march towards Totalitarianism goes on.

First they impose a heavy “sin tax.” Then they kick you outdoors. Then they ban you from certain public areas. Now this:

Bill Proposed in Oregon to Make Cigarettes Prescription Only Drugs! - 1/24/13 - YouTube

Rep. Mitch Greenlick, from Portland, is sponsoring a bill that makes cigarettes a Schedule III controlled substance, meaning it would be illegal to possess or distribute cigarettes without a doctor’s prescription,” Fox 12 Oregon reports.

“Other drugs and substances that are considered Schedule III controlled substances are ketamine, lysergic acid and anabolic steroids,” the report adds.

Should the bill pass, and even Rep. Greenlick doesn’t think it will, offenders would face fines of up to $6,250, one year in jail, or both...

Ore. Rep. Moves to Make Cigarettes Prescription-Only, Threatens One Year in Jail and/or $6K+ Fine | Video | TheBlaze.com

no one cares.

then stfu about it.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

How about let people smoke as often as they like, but refuse them medical treatment. Or let them pay the whole cost themselves.

Same for drug addicts? Abortions?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I love how the lefties clamor for legalizing pot, but criminalizing tobacco...

What idiots.

 

[yidnar]

Here's a great solution. If someone chooses to smoke, then their medical care/treatment is their own expense. There's no logical, decent reason why taxpayers should be dunned to pay for anyone's self-inflicted medical issues. That is another great flaw in the government gimme programs.

well actually that would include a great many diagnoses,, we can really save money on drug abusers, alcohol abusers, STD's etc etc,, we shouldn't have to pay for attempted suicide either then huh?

Nope. The taxpayer should not be forced to subsidize medical expenses for people whose choices have put them at risk. It isn't like the dangers of risky behavior are some big state secret any more.

what about minorities that are extremely over weight ??should they be allowed to eat fast food ??

 

[paulitician]

How bout Government just leave people alone? Now there's an idea.

 

[Wry Catcher]

How about let people smoke as often as they like, but refuse them medical treatment. Or let them pay the whole cost themselves.

This is exactly what freedom looks like. If you want to be stupid and irresponsible with your body and health, the person who is truly free can be stupid and irresponsible with his/her body and health. But, everybody should be required to live with the consequences of the choices they make including the cost. It is for that reason that federal government supplied 'benevolence' in the form of health care or welfare or whatever is not the way for a free people to go. While there is some genuine compassion that is accomplished, the government too often punishes the successful and responsible and rewards those who make the worst choices.

When we have to be accountable and suffer consequences for making bad choices, we are far more likely to make better ones.

In short, the tobacco industry has created an enormous cost to the nation by marketing a deadly product, IMO a reasoned response is to regulate or ban such a substance. The crazy right wing - the libertarians - don't agree.

 

[martybegan]

How about let people smoke as often as they like, but refuse them medical treatment. Or let them pay the whole cost themselves.

This is exactly what freedom looks like. If you want to be stupid and irresponsible with your body and health, the person who is truly free can be stupid and irresponsible with his/her body and health. But, everybody should be required to live with the consequences of the choices they make including the cost. It is for that reason that federal government supplied 'benevolence' in the form of health care or welfare or whatever is not the way for a free people to go. While there is some genuine compassion that is accomplished, the government too often punishes the successful and responsible and rewards those who make the worst choices.

When we have to be accountable and suffer consequences for making bad choices, we are far more likely to make better ones.

In short, the tobacco industry has created an enormous cost to the nation by marketing a deadly product, IMO a reasoned response is to regulate or ban such a substance. The crazy right wing - the libertarians - don't agree.

You can make the same case for fatty foods or manufacturers of ATV's or skis. Even caffine or alcohol.

In the end everything is deadly... LETS REGULATE OR BAN IT. Wait every time we breathe, we are one breath closer to death. AIR IS DEADLY LETS BAN IT!

 

[WillowTree]

well actually that would include a great many diagnoses,, we can really save money on drug abusers, alcohol abusers, STD's etc etc,, we shouldn't have to pay for attempted suicide either then huh?

Nope. The taxpayer should not be forced to subsidize medical expenses for people whose choices have put them at risk. It isn't like the dangers of risky behavior are some big state secret any more.

what about minorities that are extremely over weight ??should they be allowed to eat fast food ??

Yes, but they should pay for their own damn healthcare, I didn't tell the to super size it.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

And the march towards Totalitarianism goes on.

First they impose a heavy “sin tax.” Then they kick you outdoors. Then they ban you from certain public areas. Now this:

Bill Proposed in Oregon to Make Cigarettes Prescription Only Drugs! - 1/24/13 - YouTube

Rep. Mitch Greenlick, from Portland, is sponsoring a bill that makes cigarettes a Schedule III controlled substance, meaning it would be illegal to possess or distribute cigarettes without a doctor’s prescription,” Fox 12 Oregon reports.

“Other drugs and substances that are considered Schedule III controlled substances are ketamine, lysergic acid and anabolic steroids,” the report adds.

Should the bill pass, and even Rep. Greenlick doesn’t think it will, offenders would face fines of up to $6,250, one year in jail, or both...

Ore. Rep. Moves to Make Cigarettes Prescription-Only, Threatens One Year in Jail and/or $6K+ Fine | Video | TheBlaze.com

Why does the right wing oppose local government by locals?

 

[WillowTree]

And the march towards Totalitarianism goes on.

First they impose a heavy “sin tax.” Then they kick you outdoors. Then they ban you from certain public areas. Now this:

Bill Proposed in Oregon to Make Cigarettes Prescription Only Drugs! - 1/24/13 - YouTube

Rep. Mitch Greenlick, from Portland, is sponsoring a bill that makes cigarettes a Schedule III controlled substance, meaning it would be illegal to possess or distribute cigarettes without a doctor’s prescription,” Fox 12 Oregon reports.

“Other drugs and substances that are considered Schedule III controlled substances are ketamine, lysergic acid and anabolic steroids,” the report adds.

Should the bill pass, and even Rep. Greenlick doesn’t think it will, offenders would face fines of up to $6,250, one year in jail, or both...

Ore. Rep. Moves to Make Cigarettes Prescription-Only, Threatens One Year in Jail and/or $6K+ Fine | Video | TheBlaze.com

Why does the right wing oppose local government by locals?

I thought you didn't care? Are you a liar? Why yes, I think you are.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

And the march towards Totalitarianism goes on.

First they impose a heavy “sin tax.” Then they kick you outdoors. Then they ban you from certain public areas. Now this:

Bill Proposed in Oregon to Make Cigarettes Prescription Only Drugs! - 1/24/13 - YouTube

Rep. Mitch Greenlick, from Portland, is sponsoring a bill that makes cigarettes a Schedule III controlled substance, meaning it would be illegal to possess or distribute cigarettes without a doctor’s prescription,” Fox 12 Oregon reports.

“Other drugs and substances that are considered Schedule III controlled substances are ketamine, lysergic acid and anabolic steroids,” the report adds.

Should the bill pass, and even Rep. Greenlick doesn’t think it will, offenders would face fines of up to $6,250, one year in jail, or both...

Ore. Rep. Moves to Make Cigarettes Prescription-Only, Threatens One Year in Jail and/or $6K+ Fine | Video | TheBlaze.com

Why does the right wing oppose local government by locals?

I thought you didn't care? Are you a liar? Why yes, I think you are.

Why does the right wing oppose local government by locals?

 

[WillowTree]

Why does the right wing oppose local government by locals?

I thought you didn't care? Are you a liar? Why yes, I think you are.

Why does the right wing oppose local government by locals?

I thought you didn't care? Liar? Yes,

 

[gallantwarrior]

How about let people smoke as often as they like, but refuse them medical treatment. Or let them pay the whole cost themselves.

I believe that's what some of us are saying.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Great idea. Tobacco kills and, the cost to tax payers for medical treatment/care, a direct result of smoking, is enormous. I don't support jail for the end user, possibly a drug diversion program wherein they can learn to quit and of the health consequences if they do not. Growers of tobacco are no different than producers/traffickers of narcotics and crack.

Another good fascist heard from.

Veee pay for your medical care. Vee vill tell you vat to eat, vat to drink, vat to smoke, vat to do.

Nice Nazi move; sure sign you have nothing of substance to offer.

The fact is local government (county hospitals) will care for smokers while the tobacco industry - from farmer to maker to merchandizer and the stock holder - profits. As a smoker - you are (are you not?) aware of this provision in the ACA

Penalty could keep smokers out of health overhaul - Yahoo! News

and all of the misery goes to the smoker, his/her family and community.

Smoker knows the risks. Smoker's family knows the risks. Don't want the misery, don't take the risks. I don't smoke, never have, never will. Why should I have to pay for smoker's medical problems?

 

[gallantwarrior]

How about let people smoke as often as they like, but refuse them medical treatment. Or let them pay the whole cost themselves.

This is exactly what freedom looks like. If you want to be stupid and irresponsible with your body and health, the person who is truly free can be stupid and irresponsible with his/her body and health. But, everybody should be required to live with the consequences of the choices they make including the cost. It is for that reason that federal government supplied 'benevolence' in the form of health care or welfare or whatever is not the way for a free people to go. While there is some genuine compassion that is accomplished, the government too often punishes the successful and responsible and rewards those who make the worst choices.

When we have to be accountable and suffer consequences for making bad choices, we are far more likely to make better ones.

That is an unvarnished truth. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

I thought you didn't care? Are you a liar? Why yes, I think you are.

Why does the right wing oppose local government by locals?

I thought you didn't care? Liar? Yes,

Why does the right wing oppose local government by locals?