One move that can save the American middle class.

[Woodznutz]

Oil is a national resource and shouldn't be used to enrich the few.

I use it to fuel my car.

 

[Moonglow]

One thing I do miss about being self-employed is the tax breaks, credits, and refunds.....

 

[Meister]

Tax avoision, or learn to read tax law and find the loopholes.

So, you DO pay taxes. Well, then your healthcare and meds aren't "free".
That's what I thought.

 

[Woodznutz]

How much does the US subsidize healthcare?
Historical NHE, 2021:
NHE grew 2.7% to $4.3 trillion in 2021, or $12,914 per person, and accounted for 18.3% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP). Medicare spending grew 8.4% to $900.8 billion in 2021, or 21 percent of total NHE. Medicaid spending grew 9.2% to $734.0 billion in 2021, or 17 percent of total NHE.Sep 6, 2023
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NHE Fact Sheet - CMS​

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The elderly and the poor are the biggest users of healthcare. Insurance companies avoid them like the plague as insuring them at reasonable rates would quickly bankrupt them. So, government has to pick them up through those tax funded programs.

 

[Crepitus]

Feel free to immigrate to a country with state controlled economy, where you will sure to be happier, and best of luck to you.

I love my country and hate seeing it bend to the will of oil executives. I hate seeing the oil industry hold us hostage time after time. They make trillions and still get subsidies and tax breaks. They own part of the Democratic party and all of the republicans, and they are using that influence to literally destroy the planet. You know, the place we live.

It would be different if they were run responsibly, but the fact is they aren't, and their very existence is detrimental to our wellbeing.

 

[Woodznutz]

What does the US government subsidize the most?

The U.S. government heavily subsidizes the domestic agricultural sector. It also subsidizes oil and energy producers, some housing, automakers, and some healthcare (e.g. Medicare).

How Do Government Subsidies Help an Industry? - Investopedia​

Without subsidies some businesses would collapse, or not exist at all. The banking industry also keeps many businesses afloat that would otherwise collapse.

 

[Anathema]

Nationalize the healthcare and pharmaceutical industries..

I’d rather die than deal with government health care

 

[Moonglow]

Without subsidies some businesses would collapse, or not exist at all.

True, which belies a thingy called the free market....

 

[Moonglow]

I’d rather die than deal with government health care

Adieu..

 

[eagle1462010]

Without subsidies some businesses would collapse, or not exist at all.

As long as a need exists...someone will find a way to supply it.

Government should not be in the position of picking winners and losers. That leads to bribes and what we have now.

This was never meant to be under the constitution.

 

[the other mike]

Who do you think floats the industry now?

After the Vatican and Blackrock get their cuts ?

 

[Moonglow]

As long as a need exists...someone will find a way to supply it.

Government should not be in the position of picking winners and losers. That leads to bribes and what we have now.

This was never meant to be under the constitution.

It changed after the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are individuals.

Co. v. Riggs (203 U.S. 243 (1906)), the Court accepted that corporations are for legal purposes "persons", but still ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment was not a bar to many state laws which effectively limited a corporation's right to contract business as it pleased.

Corporate personhood - Wikipedia​

 

[White 6]

I love my country and hate seeing it bend to the will of oil executives. I hate seeing the oil industry hold us hostage time after time. They make trillions and still get subsidies and tax breaks. They own part of the Democratic party and all of the republicans, and they are using that influence to literally destroy the planet. You know, the place we live.

It would be different if they were run responsibly, but the fact is they aren't, and their very existence is detrimental to our wellbeing.

I filled up yesterday for $3.09/Gal and had a happy feeling of wellbeing as I drove out of town last night.

If it makes you feel better, I do agree the oil industry does not deserve subsides and/or tax breaks at this time of record profits.

 

[Moonglow]

After the Vatican and Blackrock get their cuts ?

Don't forget the "BIG GUY", Jesus...

 

[Moonglow]

I filled up yesterday for $3.09/Gal and had a happy feeling of wellbeing as I drove out of town last night.

If it makes you feel better, I do agree the oil industry does not deserve subsides and/or tax breaks at this time of record profits.

They are screwing us royally.

 

[Crepitus]

I filled up yesterday for $3.09/Gal and had a happy feeling of wellbeing as I drove out of town last night.

If it makes you feel better, I do agree the oil industry does not deserve subsides and/or tax breaks at this time of record profits.

$3.90 here, and we unusually run well below the national average.

Where did you fill up?

 

[the other mike]

No. One thing to save the Middle Class is continue to work in the middle class earning jobs that got them to the middle class, while upgrading skills and continuing to invest.

Not that my wife and I are personally worried ....we're both healthy (62 and 61)still working full-time .....I'm drawing Social Security now and she will be next year so we're on easy street now. Our 8 acres and house paid for. Awesome well water, working a new jam room....

Best of both worlds.

You guys go take your China vaccines and try to be happy too.... just trying to be helpful.

 

[the other mike]

$3.90 here, and we unusually run well below the national average.

Where did you fill up?

 

[Woodznutz]

True, which belies a thingy called the free market....

Without ag subsidies food prices would be much higher.

 

[Woodznutz]

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Gas prices differ regionally due to the cost-of-living differences.