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The point is why "this is no longer sustainable."What is your interpretation of the phrase "The Employer shall contribute on behalf of the employee"?
My source believes this means the pension plan money is part of the total negotiated compensation and wages, paid vacations, retirement and health insurance are merely divvying up the total compensation package.
The point is that this is no longer sustainable. Either the workers contribute significantly more toward their benefits and pensions or they will see massive layoffs and loss of benefits. Done.
Specifically, how over the last half-century the richest Americans (individuals and corporations) have shifted the burden of the federal income tax off their shoulders and onto yours.
"How do the rich justify and excuse this record? They claim that they can invest the money they save from taxes and thereby create jobs etc.
"But do they? In fact, cutting rich people's taxes is often very bad for the rest of us (beyond the worsening inequality and hobbled government it produces).
"Several examples show this.
"First, a good part of the money the rich save from taxes is then lent by them to the government (in the form of buying US Treasury securities for their personal investment portfolios).
"It would obviously be better for the government to tax the rich to maintain its expenditures, and thereby avoid deficits and debts.
"Then, the government would not need to tax the rest of us to pay interest on those debts to the rich."
How the Rich...
Stop borrowing from the rich.
Tax the rich.
Undone.
What is your interpretation of the phrase "The Employer shall contribute on behalf of the employee"?Are you calling for Wisconsin public employees to work for free, Koch-lick?
I believe you have a misunderstanding about a union pension and what an empoyer contribution is compared to an em0ployee contribution.
100 cents of each dollar deposited into the pension is NOT what comes out of the empoloyee
to the contray, I believe it was 6 cents from employee (tax deferred) and 94 cents from the state...and I believe it will now be adjusted to 12 cents per employee and 88 cents for the state.
My source believes this means the pension plan money is part of the total negotiated compensation and wages, paid vacations, retirement and health insurance are merely divvying up the total compensation package.
Man you just gotta laugh your ass off over this one.
One million Wisconson voters want to sign a recall petition for the republicans
In three MONTHS they found a million people want to recall the Republicans.
Yet they are just now starting to get signatures to RECALL some of the 14 Democrat Fleebaggers.
put on your pink puddle boots folks, the chit is getting deep.
Some people are just Useful tools for The Democrat Party and there are quite a few here...
They're called democrat supporters.Question two
Do you believe Governor walker should be recalled?
Question three
Would you be willing to sign a recall petition or take some other actions?
Those are the questions
Yes. to 608 people.
Clearly those 608 people represent 5 million plus people in Wisconsin.
Are infants in Wisconsin voting now?
No, we were saying "WTF?!? Election have consequences you California MORONS!!"
HAHA!!! Tough shit, elections have consequences, they will have to wait another 4 years, bitches.
Were you saying the same thing when Gray Davis was re-called?
Question two
Do you believe Governor walker should be recalled?
Question three
Would you be willing to sign a recall petition or take some other actions?
Those are the questions
Yes. to 608 people.
Clearly those 608 people represent 5 million plus people in Wisconsin.
Are infants in Wisconsin voting now?
According to Recall Senate Republicans Now | Scott Walker Watch, the Democrats and the unions probably got all the recall signatures they need on the first day.Wishin don't make it so. Let's see if the unions with the backing of the liberal media and the Obama administration can undermine an election.
Teachers are a pretty intelligent, educated group who don't enjoy being intimidated or maligned.
Most teachers spend their whole lives in the profession and are considered respected, responsible members of the community.
For the Republican Party to deliberately target this group as "scapegoats" may pay some dividends in the short term - GOP supporters in the teaching profession will become an endangered species for the forseeable future!
if they're so intelligent, why haven't they read the wisconsin constitution?
2010 Wisconsin Code
Chapter 9. Post-election actions; direct legislation.
9.10 Recall.
9.10(1)(a)
(a) The qualified electors of the state, of any county, city, village, or town, of any congressional, legislative, judicial, town sanitary, or school district, or of any prosecutorial unit may petition for the recall of any incumbent elective official by filing a petition with the same official or agency with whom nomination papers or declarations of candidacy for the office are filed demanding the recall of the officeholder.
9.10(1)(b)
(b) Except as provided in par. (c), a petition for recall of an officer shall be signed by electors equal to at least 25% of the vote cast for the office of governor at the last election within the same district or territory as that of the officeholder being recalled.
9.10(2)(s)
(s) No petition for recall of an officer may be offered for filing prior to the expiration of one year after commencement of the term of office for which the officer is elected.
http://scottwalkerwatch.com/?page_id=933
http://law.justia.com/codes/wisconsin/2010/9/9.10.html
1. I've provided the links toElection Administration Manual for Wisconsin Municipal Clerks
RECALL ELECTIONS
Summary
Wisconsin law permits voters to recall elected officials under certain circumstances. Recall is an opportunity for voters to require elected officials to stand for election before the end of the official’s term. No petition for recall of an officer may be offered for filing before the expiration of one year after commencement of the term of office for which the officer is elected. The Elections Board staff has prepared a manual, Recall of Local Elected Officials, which can be found on the agency website.
Procedures
Registration Required
1. Before a recall petition may be circulated, the individual or committee seeking the recall of an elected official must file a Campaign Registration Statement (EB-1) with the filing officer.
2. The Campaign Registration Statement (EB-1) must clearly indicate that the committee is registering as a recall committee and identify the officeholder it seeks to recall.
3. A statement must be attached to the Campaign Registration Statement (EB-1) form indicating:
a. the petitioner’s intent to circulate a recall petition;
b. the name of the officeholder for whom recall is sought; and
c. the reason for the recall which is related to the official responsibilities of the officeholder (the same reason must appear on the petition).
4. No signature on a recall petition is valid until the Campaign Registration Statement (EB-1) and a statement of reasons for the recall has been filed with the filing officer.
Election Administration Manual for Wisconsin Municipal Clerks
July 2007
119
http://scottwalkerwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Recall_manual.pdf
Walker is not eligible for recall until 2012 BUT 8 Republican state senators who have been in office more than 1 year can be recalled!According to Recall Senate Republicans Now | Scott Walker Watch, the Democrats and the unions probably got all the recall signatures they need on the first day.
Teachers are a pretty intelligent, educated group who don't enjoy being intimidated or maligned.
Most teachers spend their whole lives in the profession and are considered respected, responsible members of the community.
For the Republican Party to deliberately target this group as "scapegoats" may pay some dividends in the short term - GOP supporters in the teaching profession will become an endangered species for the forseeable future!
if they're so intelligent, why haven't they read the wisconsin constitution?
The Republican state senators can run away and hide anywhere they want because this process does not require their physical presence.Walker is not eligible for recall until 2012 BUT 8 Republican state senators who have been in office more than 1 year can be recalled!if they're so intelligent, why haven't they read the wisconsin constitution?
gee, they should probably run away and hide in illinois, then.
The Republican state senators can run away and hide anywhere they want because this process does not require their physical presence.Walker is not eligible for recall until 2012 BUT 8 Republican state senators who have been in office more than 1 year can be recalled!
gee, they should probably run away and hide in illinois, then.
The point is why "this is no longer sustainable."What is your interpretation of the phrase "The Employer shall contribute on behalf of the employee"?
My source believes this means the pension plan money is part of the total negotiated compensation and wages, paid vacations, retirement and health insurance are merely divvying up the total compensation package.
The point is that this is no longer sustainable. Either the workers contribute significantly more toward their benefits and pensions or they will see massive layoffs and loss of benefits. Done.
Specifically, how over the last half-century the richest Americans (individuals and corporations) have shifted the burden of the federal income tax off their shoulders and onto yours.
"How do the rich justify and excuse this record? They claim that they can invest the money they save from taxes and thereby create jobs etc.
"But do they? In fact, cutting rich people's taxes is often very bad for the rest of us (beyond the worsening inequality and hobbled government it produces).
"Several examples show this.
"First, a good part of the money the rich save from taxes is then lent by them to the government (in the form of buying US Treasury securities for their personal investment portfolios).
"It would obviously be better for the government to tax the rich to maintain its expenditures, and thereby avoid deficits and debts.
"Then, the government would not need to tax the rest of us to pay interest on those debts to the rich."
How the Rich...
Stop borrowing from the rich.
Tax the rich.
Undone.
The single biggest reason governments have been handing property owners bigger and bigger tax bills over the last three decades is because "the richest Americans have dramatically lowered their income tax burden since 1945, both absolutely and relative to the tax burdens of the middle income groups and the poor."
Consider three simple graphs that reveal if today's highest earners were required to pay the same rates they paid during the decades after WWII, the federal government would need far lower deficits to support the private sector through our Great Recession.
"Instead, a rather vicious cycle has been at work for years. Reduced taxes on the rich leave them with more money to influence politicians and politics. Their influence wins them further tax reductions, which gives them still more money to put to political use.
"When the loss of tax revenue from the rich worsens already strained government budgets, the rich press politicians to cut public services and government jobs and not even debate a return to the higher taxes the rich used to pay.
"So it goes - from Washington, to Wisconsin to New York City."
The Rich don't exist without class warfare.
Any argument is beyond disingenuous.
It's suicidal.
The point is why "this is no longer sustainable."The point is that this is no longer sustainable. Either the workers contribute significantly more toward their benefits and pensions or they will see massive layoffs and loss of benefits. Done.
Specifically, how over the last half-century the richest Americans (individuals and corporations) have shifted the burden of the federal income tax off their shoulders and onto yours.
"How do the rich justify and excuse this record? They claim that they can invest the money they save from taxes and thereby create jobs etc.
"But do they? In fact, cutting rich people's taxes is often very bad for the rest of us (beyond the worsening inequality and hobbled government it produces).
"Several examples show this.
"First, a good part of the money the rich save from taxes is then lent by them to the government (in the form of buying US Treasury securities for their personal investment portfolios).
"It would obviously be better for the government to tax the rich to maintain its expenditures, and thereby avoid deficits and debts.
"Then, the government would not need to tax the rest of us to pay interest on those debts to the rich."
How the Rich...
Stop borrowing from the rich.
Tax the rich.
Undone.
Georgie...the class warfare card and 50 cents gets you a phone call.
the facts are clear. For the last three decades, governments have been handing property owners larger and larger tax bills to fund public worker wages and benefits. There is no more money. Soaking the wealthy and those who you think are wealthy only goes to reduce the amount of available capital to government, it also damages the economy.
Case and point. In the last 10 years, New Jersey has enacted not one but TWO property tax caps. First was during the Corzine admin where annual tax increases were limited to 4%. Recently the NJ Legislature enacted a 2% annual cap.
Each time the ones who protested the loudest were of course the people who operate public worker unions.
Your argument is disingenuous.
Why not just tell everyone who makes $100,000 per year or less to keep ALL of it and tax the Koch brothers and other parasites at the same rate they rich paid between 1945 -1980?
