Oh, The Idiots They Turn Out

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    You don’t think that’s important?
     
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    It is trivial knowing the names, but it is taught. No one remembers.
     
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    I see that you're getting a good bit of heat for this and I'm glad for it. And as public school teacher I'll tell you why.

    If you are 30 years old, say, and do not know a single Supreme Court Justice that is no longer the fault of the public school system. That is now the fault of your own ignorance.

    But that you and so many like you continue to fault our education system is only burying us deeper and deeper. It is building a continued narrative that we are deeply incompetent, which is not true. The truth is our society is corroding from the inside out. We are being asked to basically raise children on less and less--including less trust, less money, less respect. No human can do this. No well-equipped human would WANT to. So teachers are bailing. And it's now like the Titanic sinking, the public school system.

    So just go on and blame fully grown adults being willfully ignorant on schooling gaps from 15 years ago. You're just making everything worse, but who cares about that anymore? I can hear Nero fiddling from here......
     
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    Indeed, but the kids don't know them either, and that IS the fault of the system.

    Results tell. You are judged by the product produced. When nearly half of entering students at two-year schools and a fifth at four-year schools require remedial classes in basic English and math, the problem is with the system. American students' abysmal lack of knowledge of their own history and the function of our system of government places us all in danger.

    All part of the problem, of course.
     
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    First you have to decide what is most important. As others have said, being politically ignorant is sad, but is it as important as reading and being competent at basic math?

    Second, I don't disagree that we need to stress American history and government and could do a better job. But in some places in our nation, the truancy rate is astronomical. For instance in the Detroit Public Schools, 57% of students have CHRONIC absenteeism. That's not a teacher problem; that's a parent problem. And of course those stats figure into how students perform on tests, in class, etc. If they're not in class, they're not learning.
     
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    Have you ever studied for a test for hours upon hours, taken the test, and a half hour after the exam you couldn't even spell your own name correctly? That is what many students do today. They are like human flash drives. Once you use the information and don't need it anymore, you simply delete it.

    I called it "pump and dump". Kids will learn the material for the test, i.e. memorizing the names of the SCOTUS justices, and do exceptionally well on the unit test, but give them a final exam a month later and you might as well have asked them to recite the Gettysburg address without them ever having read it in years.

    Even some of my best students would do this and fail their final exams. There is literally no way to retrain their minds to actually store what they consider to be useless information. Yes, it might win them some money on Jeopardy, but it won't get them a date with the hot cheerleader after the game Friday night.
     
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    Geese, 70% of adults could not name a single supreme court justice with. most of those being Trumpers. I bet the idiots berating these high schoolers could not tell me know many supreme court justices there are, name a majority of them, or explain how it works. Oh yeah, they will tell after they Google it. What bullshit.
     
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    If you think it is so easy, why aren't you a teacher?

    Can't you handle all of the great pay, wonderful benefits, and summers off?
     
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    Never.

    Then one can say with confidence that they have been ill-trained, and the results are becoming increasingly obvious.
     
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    I have been a teacher, though in a different venue. My wife was in the system. and quit to homeschool the boy.
     

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