Obomny Care

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    Im not to positive on the situation, but word on the street is Obama care is virtually the same things as Romney care.

    But all this guy does is complain and bitch about it.

    Flip floppers are so confusing, you never know what they mean, or what they think, or anything about them. Except ofcourse what they look like.

    Hannity and Santoroum discuss Obamny care. Also endorses Ron Paul.

    http://www.hannity.com/videos/?uri=channels/400391/1515773
     
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    It wasn't all that long ago that Obama's approach was the conservative Republican approach to expanding health insurance coverage: more competitive individual marketplaces, changes to the tax code to help low income people buy coverage, an individual mandate to make the marketplaces work. Indeed, it was developed by the rightwing Heritage Foundation.

    Romney isn't some anomaly; the right hadn't turned on these ideas back when Massachusetts passed its law. The "Tea Party Senator" Jim DeMint endorsed Romney last go around and said of his health reform law: "That’s something that I think we should do for the whole country."

    That said, it seems pretty clear Romney is more of a technocrat who will do what it takes to solve problems than an ideologue.
     
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    Well, let me break this stuff down for you.

    The thing was, when it was first proposed, RomneyCare was considered a great alternative to single payer health care, which is pretty much what the rest of the industrialized world does. (They also pay a lot less as a share of GDP and live longer, have a lower infant mortality rate, etc.)

    RomneyCare is essentially what Big insurance wants- a government subsidy/mandate to increase the size of the donor pool. Insurance only really works if a lot of people who never file claims pay in. So they were all for it when he proposed it.

    If left to their own druthers, ObamaCare wouldn't have looked like RomneyCare. It would look a lot more like the Canadian model, or perhaps the German model. The House version was a lot closer to that then the Senate Version was.

    But when Scott Walker got Ted Kennedy's seat, that made it impossible for any conferance version to get approved. So the only option they had was for the House to accept the Senate Version, which looked like RomneyCare because of all the comprimises Senate Democrats made to big insurance.

    All of this is lost on your average Tea Partier, who just hates all government.

    The thing is, in the long run, private health insurance is unsustainable. With medical inflation running four times regular inflation, and more and more younger people opting out of health insurance, they simply can't make any money at it.

    The "individual mandate" probably buys private insurance some time, but it's almost without a doubt unconstitutional. ObamaCare (or RomneyCare) without an individual mandate will just increase the decline, because you can't deny "pre-existing conditions" anymore. People won't have a need to buy insurance unless they actually get sick. It's like letting people buy auto insurance AFTER they've had an accident.

    The failure of Obama/RomneyCare is that it doesn't address the real problems- an aging population, medical inflation at 4 times the regular rate, procedures being ordered defensively to prevent lawsuits, and so on.
     
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    I think the word for that is "weasal who will say whatever he has to in order to get votes".

    If Romney thinks that his approach was the best way, he shouldn't be running away from it the way his cult ran away from it's polygamist past.

    He should be out there defending it and commending Obama for adopting it nationally.

    Instead, his position is, "My plan was awesome, but I wont inflict my awesome plan on the country. Really. I promise. I'll even edit my book where I said we should do that."

    The problem with ObamaCare/RomneyCare is that it was seeing the number of uninsured as the problem, which it really isn't. The problem is that for the insured, prices are skyrocketing while the quality of care given is decreasing.
     
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    When did Romney bring in a FEDERAL healthcare system?

    Never.

    States have the right to do it, the federal government does not. That this is over the intellectual paygrade of many - on both sides - is shameful.
     
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    That's where the Massachusetts reforms deviate from the Affordable Care Act. The Massachusetts reforms correspond to part of Title I of the ACA's ten titles ("Quality, Affordable Health Care for All Americans," i.e. insurance market reform). The rest of the federal law is focused on quality improvement and cost control.

    Is this a trick question? Right on his current campaign issues page. For example:

     
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    Mitt Romney- "My Plan is TOTALLY AWESOME and I won't inflict it on the country! Did I mention I'm wearing magic underpants!"

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    But it won't work, that's the problem.

    Yes, it gets rid of redaction and disallowing for pre-existing conditions, but it really does nothing to decrease medical inflation. Again, company I work for is going to increase its health care payments by 14% next year. Where are those cost savings again?

    The thing is, we have a model that is half private and half public, and it doesn't work. It should be all one way or the other.

    A complete private system where market forces drive prices down, but some people will die because they aren't considered economically valuable enough to keep alive.

    Or a completely public system that covers everyone, but draws lines at how far it will go.

    We have one that does both, that runs up huge costs in the gaps like people using emergency rooms as their primary care giver when they could get treated at clinics much cheaper.
     
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    Got a link to that quote or is it yet more bullshit from you?
     
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    Sure I do. And that's a real picture, too. get a clue, will ya?

    Fact is, Romney did call his plan a model for the country. Until Obama actually hired his guys to actually implement it as the model for the country.

    Fact Checking Tonight's GOP Debate | Democrats.org

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...-to-remove-line-about-national-health-reform/

    After the Republican presidential debate Thursday night, a senior adviser to Mitt Romney acknowledged that a line about spreading health care reform throughout the country was changed in the paperback version of Romney’s book “No Apology.”

    Texas Gov. Rick Perry said during the Florida debate that Romney took out the single line that suggested the Massachusetts health reform law could be applied to the country. The line that is removed in the paperback version reads, “We can accomplish the same thing for everyone in the country.”
     

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