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Obamacare saves seniors $569 each year
- Thread starter rightwinger
- Start date
How anyone can put a negative spin on this is beyond me.
After all.......Obama must fail
Done.
Trajan
conscientia mille testes
when bush messes with the medicare drug prescription prcoess=BAD!!!!
Obamacare does? its all ethereal light and unicorns...... you blowhard.
lets cut to the chase- so, who's paying for their 'savings'?
How anyone can put a negative spin on this is beyond me.
your remark says it all. its all 'spin'.....there is no reality when it comes to unicorns pooping out dollars for drugs or coverages or treatments, just 'spin' when someone points out there is NO free lunch.
wanna take a shot at my question ?
lets cut to the chase- so, who's paying for their 'savings'?
when bush messes with the medicare drug prescription prcoess=BAD!!!!
Obamacare does? its all ethereal light and unicorns...... you blowhard.
lets cut to the chase- so, who's paying for their 'savings'?
How anyone can put a negative spin on this is beyond me.
your remark says it all. its all 'spin'.....there is no reality when it comes to unicorns pooping out dollars for drugs or coverages or treatments, just 'spin' when someone points out there is NO free lunch.
wanna take a shot at my question ?
lets cut to the chase- so, who's paying for their 'savings'?
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Trajan
conscientia mille testes
Yep, I agree. The wait to see a doctor will surpass the waits in other countries.
Link?
I got yer link right here!
(Oops...did I just make an obscene gesture?)
no, but RW gives folks the finger when hes asked for proof, so its all good. hes retired and probably drunk right now anyway.
He saved $ 569 dollars so hes off Thunderbird and moved up to Boone's Farm.
Trajan
conscientia mille testes
It doesn't, but once we lay off all the contractors in the military our debt will drop.
Werent those contractors providing a service that costs less then what the military could do for themselves, or was it the volunteer force that cant produce the numbers for proper logistics?
Lets see... a military cook making private level military wages or a contractor making 8X as much...
you know thats a false analogy , right?
WillowTree
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bullshit. obie's pharmaceutical companies just raised all the perscription prices. obie care don't save seniors jack shit. not to mention he stole 960 Billion dollars from medicare to get his pos bill passed. seniors have very long memories.
Trajan
conscientia mille testes
bullshit. obie's pharmaceutical companies just raised all the perscription prices. obie care don't save seniors jack shit. not to mention he stole 960 Billion dollars from medicare to get his pos bill passed. seniors have very long memories.
R U saying that Obie Wan made deals with Big Pharma??why ever would he do that? They are blood sucking free market capitalist pigs how rape people who are sick for money!
Link?
I got yer link right here!
(Oops...did I just make an obscene gesture?)
no, but RW gives folks the finger when hes asked for proof, so its all good. hes retired and probably drunk right now anyway.
He saved $ 569 dollars so hes off Thunderbird and moved up to Boone's Farm.
Maybe I can point him in the right direction:
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bullshit. obie's pharmaceutical companies just raised all the perscription prices. obie care don't save seniors jack shit. not to mention he stole 960 Billion dollars from medicare to get his pos bill passed. seniors have very long memories.
why ever would he do that? They are blood sucking free market capitalist pigs how rape people who are sick for money!
"Over the last year, the Obama administration has aggressively pushed a $433-million plan to buy an experimental smallpox drug, despite uncertainty over whether it is needed or will work.
Senior officials have taken unusual steps to secure the contract for New York-based Siga Technologies Inc., whose controlling shareholder is billionaire Ronald O. Perelman, one of the worlds richest men and a longtime Democratic Partydonor.
When Siga complained that contracting specialists at the Department of Health and Human Services were resisting the companys financial demands, senior officials replaced the governments lead negotiator for the deal, interviews and documents show.
When Siga was in danger of losing its grip on the contract a year ago, the officials blocked other firms from competing.
Siga was awarded the final contract in May through a sole-source procurement in which it was the only company asked to submit a proposal. The contract calls for Siga to deliver 1.7 million doses of the drug for the nations biodefense stockpile. The price of approximately $255 per dose is well above what the governments specialists had earlier said was reasonable, according to internal documents and interviews."
Obama awards $433 million no-bid contract for questionable drug to top donor! Patriot Update
Yeah...let's see more of that Chicago-thug hope-and-change!
WASHINGTON More than 2.65 million Medicare recipients have saved more than $1.5 billion on their prescriptions this year, a $569-per-person average, while premiums have remained stable, the government plans to announce today.
That's because of the provision of the health care law that put a 50% discount on prescription drugs in the "doughnut hole," the gap between traditional and catastrophic coverage in the drug benefit, also known as Part D.
And, as of the end of November, more than 24 million people, or about half of those with traditional Medicare, have gone in for a free annual physical or other screening exam since the rules changed this year because of the health care law.
And in order to pay for the "free" services Obama was trying to buy votes with, the insurance companies simply raised premium prices for the rest of us to cover it. My rates went up another $2400.00 per year for catastrophic coverage. Good job Obama.
Yep, I agree. The wait to see a doctor will surpass the waits in other countries.
1. Jackson...I like yer style!
2. Let's see how wait time is working under RomneyCare...
a. 50 days to see a doctor in Boston Is Massachusetts universal coverage laws the cause?
June 9, 2009 in Current Events, Health Insurance, Supply of Medical Services, Wait Times
From the USA Today, here are the wait times to see a doctor in the following cities:
Boston: 49.6
Philadelphia: 27
Los Angeles: 24.2
Houston: 23.4
Washington, D.C.: 22.6
San Diego 20.2
Minneapolis: 19.8
Dallas: 19.2
New York: 19.2
Denver: 15.4 days
Miami: 15.4 days
The first thing that jumps out from these numbers is that Boston has by far the longest wait to see a doctor. Is this caused by the universal health coverage enacted in Massachusetts? The answer is maybe. Physician supply adjusts slowly (i.e., it takes a long time to finish med school). On the other hand, Massachusetts decision to increase insurance coverage lead to a spike in the demand for medical services. Thus, universal health care may have caused the run up in wait times,
Healthcare Economist · 50 days to see a doctor in Boston Is Massachusetts universal coverage laws the cause?
b. It takes three weeks longer to see a medical specialist in Boston than in any other metropolitan area in the country, according to a study by Merritt, Hawkins & Associates, a physician recruiting and consulting company based in Texas.
More than 95 percent of the Bay States population is insured, as state law requires residents to get coverage and prove they have it. The Merritt, Hawkins researchers note health insurance doesnt guarantee a quick visit to the doctor.
The average wait time for an appointment with a doctor in many specialty areas is 50 days, according to the study, with the states expansion of subsidized health insurance serving as the main catalyst driving up demand for care.
Wait Times Signal Problem with Massachusetts
c.
1. People in Massachusetts wait a long time to see a doctor. People in Georgia don't.
2. People in Massachusetts also pay a lot for health insurance. People in Georgia don't.
3. Massachusetts in 2006 passed reforms giving almost everybody health insurance. Georgia didn't.
4. Those reforms are the reason people in Massachusetts pay so much for their health insurance and wait so long to see the doctor.
5. President Obama wants to pass national reforms that resemble the Massachusetts state reforms.
6. If President Obama gets his way, all Americans will end up like those cursed people in Massachusettspaying more for health insurance, waiting longer for care
http://health-care.name/2009/07/08/legos-red-sox-and-those-long-waits-in-massachusetts/
Wait time up, costs up, Emergency Room use up....hooray for RomneyCare and ObamaCare!
Hmmmm....maybe if they keep seniors waiting....terminally....costs will go down.
And, there's the profit from Soylent Green...
Let's move Rightwinger to the head of the class!
You are the queen of research. Thanks so much! Ugh! Soylent Green! Remember that!
WASHINGTON More than 2.65 million Medicare recipients have saved more than $1.5 billion on their prescriptions this year, a $569-per-person average, while premiums have remained stable, the government plans to announce today.
That's because of the provision of the health care law that put a 50% discount on prescription drugs in the "doughnut hole," the gap between traditional and catastrophic coverage in the drug benefit, also known as Part D.
And, as of the end of November, more than 24 million people, or about half of those with traditional Medicare, have gone in for a free annual physical or other screening exam since the rules changed this year because of the health care law.
And in order to pay for the "free" services Obama was trying to buy votes with, the insurance companies simply raised premium prices for the rest of us to cover it. My rates went up another $2400.00 per year for catastrophic coverage. Good job Obama.
Right, Vel. But not to worry. Union members and those who voted for it were exempt. Lucky for us, Huh?
Yep, I agree. The wait to see a doctor will surpass the waits in other countries.
1. Jackson...I like yer style!
2. Let's see how wait time is working under RomneyCare...
a. 50 days to see a doctor in Boston Is Massachusetts universal coverage laws the cause?
June 9, 2009 in Current Events, Health Insurance, Supply of Medical Services, Wait Times
From the USA Today, here are the wait times to see a doctor in the following cities:
Boston: 49.6
Philadelphia: 27
Los Angeles: 24.2
Houston: 23.4
Washington, D.C.: 22.6
San Diego 20.2
Minneapolis: 19.8
Dallas: 19.2
New York: 19.2
Denver: 15.4 days
Miami: 15.4 days
The first thing that jumps out from these numbers is that Boston has by far the longest wait to see a doctor. Is this caused by the universal health coverage enacted in Massachusetts? The answer is maybe. Physician supply adjusts slowly (i.e., it takes a long time to finish med school). On the other hand, Massachusetts decision to increase insurance coverage lead to a spike in the demand for medical services. Thus, universal health care may have caused the run up in wait times,
Healthcare Economist · 50 days to see a doctor in Boston Is Massachusetts universal coverage laws the cause?
b. It takes three weeks longer to see a medical specialist in Boston than in any other metropolitan area in the country, according to a study by Merritt, Hawkins & Associates, a physician recruiting and consulting company based in Texas.
More than 95 percent of the Bay States population is insured, as state law requires residents to get coverage and prove they have it. The Merritt, Hawkins researchers note health insurance doesnt guarantee a quick visit to the doctor.
The average wait time for an appointment with a doctor in many specialty areas is 50 days, according to the study, with the states expansion of subsidized health insurance serving as the main catalyst driving up demand for care.
Wait Times Signal Problem with Massachusetts
c.
1. People in Massachusetts wait a long time to see a doctor. People in Georgia don't.
2. People in Massachusetts also pay a lot for health insurance. People in Georgia don't.
3. Massachusetts in 2006 passed reforms giving almost everybody health insurance. Georgia didn't.
4. Those reforms are the reason people in Massachusetts pay so much for their health insurance and wait so long to see the doctor.
5. President Obama wants to pass national reforms that resemble the Massachusetts state reforms.
6. If President Obama gets his way, all Americans will end up like those cursed people in Massachusettspaying more for health insurance, waiting longer for care
http://health-care.name/2009/07/08/legos-red-sox-and-those-long-waits-in-massachusetts/
Wait time up, costs up, Emergency Room use up....hooray for RomneyCare and ObamaCare!
Hmmmm....maybe if they keep seniors waiting....terminally....costs will go down.
And, there's the profit from Soylent Green...
Let's move Rightwinger to the head of the class!
You are the queen of research. Thanks so much! Ugh! Soylent Green! Remember that!
See that- the voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!
WASHINGTON More than 2.65 million Medicare recipients have saved more than $1.5 billion on their prescriptions this year, a $569-per-person average, while premiums have remained stable, the government plans to announce today.
That's because of the provision of the health care law that put a 50% discount on prescription drugs in the "doughnut hole," the gap between traditional and catastrophic coverage in the drug benefit, also known as Part D.
And, as of the end of November, more than 24 million people, or about half of those with traditional Medicare, have gone in for a free annual physical or other screening exam since the rules changed this year because of the health care law.
And in order to pay for the "free" services Obama was trying to buy votes with, the insurance companies simply raised premium prices for the rest of us to cover it. My rates went up another $2400.00 per year for catastrophic coverage. Good job Obama.
Right, Vel. But not to worry. Union members and those who voted for it were exempt. Lucky for us, Huh?
Yep.. Truly lucky. And we also get to pay increased prices for consumer goods in order for businesses to be able to meet the mandates, I wonder if the first guy who ever said.. "I think I'll offer to buy health insurance for my employees so that I can attract and retain better people" ever realized that someday our government would take his idea from being voluntary value added to forced.
How anyone can put a negative spin on this is beyond me.
Says the board biggest freeloading Foodstamp recipient.
Have you ever worked/earned anything in your life - or have you been on the government teat since your cradle days in the trailer court?
For YOU to accuse anyone of being on the government tit is....wow....simply amazing.
Anyway......Nope, I've worked for and earned everything I've got, and in the private sector to boot. Everyone who gets anything from the government in the form of welfare, health care or entitlements can thank me for helping pay the bills. And if they can't be appreciative they can kiss my ass. But I will still gladly pay it since I will be collecting one day.
And in order to pay for the "free" services Obama was trying to buy votes with, the insurance companies simply raised premium prices for the rest of us to cover it. My rates went up another $2400.00 per year for catastrophic coverage. Good job Obama.
Right, Vel. But not to worry. Union members and those who voted for it were exempt. Lucky for us, Huh?
Yep.. Truly lucky. And we also get to pay increased prices for consumer goods in order for businesses to be able to meet the mandates, I wonder if the first guy who ever said.. "I think I'll offer to buy health insurance for my employees so that I can attract and retain better people" ever realized that someday our government would take his idea from being voluntary value added to forced.
Actually, Vel...the time of employer-provided healthcare is long passed...
Under WWII and, later, Nixon, wage and price controls pushed business to provide same in lieu of wage incrases...
"During World War II, government-imposed wage controls led to many changes, some of them good. First, with fewer male workers available, employers were forced to end discriminatory practices toward women. Second, because they were not allowed to pay higher wages, employers began offering their workers extra COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS, including health-care benefits. The most recent American use of wage and price controls was during the Nixon administration."
Wage and price controls (incomes policies)
Today...free-market healthcare solutions surpass socialist solutions...the central question should be why the problem is not couched in this way.
Answer? The Left controls the dissemination of information.
We aren't even a year into obamacare and it has saved money? More smoke and mirrors of the government.
Warrior102
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How anyone can put a negative spin on this is beyond me.
Says the board biggest freeloading Foodstamp recipient.
Have you ever worked/earned anything in your life - or have you been on the government teat since your cradle days in the trailer court?
For YOU to accuse anyone of being on the government tit is....wow....simply amazing.
Anyway......Nope, I've worked for and earned everything I've got, and in the private sector to boot. Everyone who gets anything from the government in the form of welfare, health care or entitlements can thank me for helping pay the bills. And if they can't be appreciative they can kiss my ass. But I will still gladly pay it since I will be collecting one day.
Thank you for what? Paying taxes? It's your Amercian duty to do so.
I bet I paid more in taxes in 2010 than you earned from 2004-2010, to keep you in food stamps. You should be on your knees kissing my feet for supporting/carrying your lazy Socialist ass.
Soggy in NOLA
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Wow.. and it only cost us $5,000,000,000,000!!!!
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