Obama: The End of an Error.

[jillian]

wow... end of an "error"....

almost clever.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

For those of you able to view the economy outta the potus box>

The Ideological Crisis of Western Capitalism | Truthout

A decade ago, in the midst of an economic boom, the US faced a surplus so large that it threatened to eliminate the national debt. Unaffordable tax cuts and wars, a major recession, and soaring health-care costs – fueled in part by the commitment of George W. Bush’s administration to giving drug companies free rein in setting prices, even with government money at stake – quickly transformed a huge surplus into record peacetime deficits.

The remedies to the US deficit follow immediately from this diagnosis: put America back to work by stimulating the economy; end the mindless wars; rein in military and drug costs; and raise taxes, at least on the very rich. But the right will have none of this, and instead is pushing for even more tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, together with expenditure cuts in investments and social protection that put the future of the US economy in peril and that shred what remains of the social contract. Meanwhile, the US financial sector has been lobbying hard to free itself of regulations, so that it can return to its previous, disastrously carefree, ways.

The article didn't get a single thing right; there were no "Large surpluses" Bush gave us yet another federal entitlement for drugs..ahhh whats the fucking use.

 

[midcan5]

Who could possibly think the Moon owned Times would print anything other than pure balderdash. The Washington Times, like Fox, is a propaganda machine for power and money. Money is so corrupting a part of America today, that most fail to see the real cause of our current trouble which are roughly 40 years of republican policies. Code words stand in for thought and reality is modified so it fits a narrow frame. For those who can still see a bit of the real check out link below and five steps.

"The probability, then, is that the next election will be close. It could also be fateful. Not because it is apt to enable the kind of electoral transformation the country urgently needs. But the Republican Party already has a majority on the Supreme Court, which increasingly attacks the rights of workers and consumers. If it captures the White House and both houses of Congress it will pass Draconian measures and deploy repressive tactics to stifle public dissent. All in the name of freedom. What to do?" William E. Connolly See The Contemporary Condition: The Republican Pincer Machine

"To me, the first thing to do is to explain in sympathetic ways what kind of pressures the white working class faces today, without caving in to tendencies within a segment of this class to demonize minorities.

The second is to remind people forcefully how many times tax cuts for the rich and market deregulation have generated economic crises, starting with the Great Depression.

The third, and most fundamental, is to challenge head on Republican definitions of freedom through anti-labor and anti-consumer policies of the state joined to a vision of market self-sufficiency, elaborating a richer story of how freedom works and how deregulated markets demean it."

See others at link above.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Obamanomics has produced the weakest, most anemic recovery since the 1930s, when another generation’s big-government planners turned their great recession into the Great Depression. To be fair, President George W. Bush certainly did not give the best economic handoff - he too was addicted to spending - but to be clear, President Obama has unarguably fumbled the ball. He has, to borrow his own phrase, put his “boot on the neck” of American businesses with his increased taxes and regulatory burden; he has grown government with his wildly increased spending and outright take-overs; and he has weakened the dollar with his “quantitative easing” printing press.

The devastation caused by Obamanomics is now undeniable. According to Investors Business Daily, 2 million net private-sector jobs have been lost; unemployment has increased by 1.5 percentage points; long-term unemployment is the worst ever on record; the dollar is 12 percent weaker; the number of Americans on food stamps has increased by 37 percent; the Misery Index (unemployment plus inflation) has increased by 62 percent; and the national debt has exploded by an alarming 40 percent. Mr. Obama is on pace to saddle America with more job-killing debt than all the first 43 presidents - combined.

Almost a century ago, Presidents Herbert Hoover and Franklin D. Roosevelt converted a great recession into the Great Depression with their big-government schemes. Similarly today, Mr. Obama has turned our Great Recession into the Obama Depression with his own - now old, tired and discredited - big-government schemes. Meanwhile, Mr. Obama cannot see the obvious lessons of the German Miracle: Unleash the free market, unshackle entrepreneurs and workers from big-government controls and we, the free people of the United States, can rescue our economy and create our own 21st century American Miracle."
WOLF: 'German Miracle' Barack Obama doesn't see - Washington Times
(emphasis mine)


We warned you....you wouldn't listen.
Now, let's see if can learn from your mistakes.

Obama has raised $27 million in one quarter. More than all of the Republican candidates combined. Looks like America still loves the president.

Maybe your lame candidates will learn a little something as well.

Can you imagine, with the record of non-accomplishment that this President has amassed...
...Casey Anthony could beat him....as a write in!

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR is pretty magical, which his ability to start a depression several years before he took office. Also, that German theme is a laugh. Germany didn't see the same rise in unemployment we did during this recession, but their economy is still in very weak shape. They have recovered faster, but they also took a much larger fall. As for the post-Second World War example, you guys are smart enough to figure out why a country that's been flattened with experience rapid growth.

Also, liberals from five years ago called. They want their catch phrase back.

FDR extended the Depression.

And, no checks with polka dots!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Only thing I can disagree with is that we are not in a recovery.
We are in a momentary lapse of reason. And when we wake up...it will be worse than 2008.
Watch.

What will the Republicans propose to put people back to work? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Business oriented policies, such as low taxes and less regulation.

 

[Sarah G]

"Obamanomics has produced the weakest, most anemic recovery since the 1930s, when another generation’s big-government planners turned their great recession into the Great Depression. To be fair, President George W. Bush certainly did not give the best economic handoff - he too was addicted to spending - but to be clear, President Obama has unarguably fumbled the ball. He has, to borrow his own phrase, put his “boot on the neck” of American businesses with his increased taxes and regulatory burden; he has grown government with his wildly increased spending and outright take-overs; and he has weakened the dollar with his “quantitative easing” printing press.

The devastation caused by Obamanomics is now undeniable. According to Investors Business Daily, 2 million net private-sector jobs have been lost; unemployment has increased by 1.5 percentage points; long-term unemployment is the worst ever on record; the dollar is 12 percent weaker; the number of Americans on food stamps has increased by 37 percent; the Misery Index (unemployment plus inflation) has increased by 62 percent; and the national debt has exploded by an alarming 40 percent. Mr. Obama is on pace to saddle America with more job-killing debt than all the first 43 presidents - combined.

Almost a century ago, Presidents Herbert Hoover and Franklin D. Roosevelt converted a great recession into the Great Depression with their big-government schemes. Similarly today, Mr. Obama has turned our Great Recession into the Obama Depression with his own - now old, tired and discredited - big-government schemes. Meanwhile, Mr. Obama cannot see the obvious lessons of the German Miracle: Unleash the free market, unshackle entrepreneurs and workers from big-government controls and we, the free people of the United States, can rescue our economy and create our own 21st century American Miracle."
WOLF: 'German Miracle' Barack Obama doesn't see - Washington Times
(emphasis mine)


We warned you....you wouldn't listen.
Now, let's see if can learn from your mistakes.

Obama has raised $27 million in one quarter. More than all of the Republican candidates combined. Looks like America still loves the president.

Maybe your lame candidates will learn a little something as well.

Can you imagine, with the record of non-accomplishment that this President has amassed...
...Casey Anthony could beat him....as a write in!

In your opinion which almost nobody shares out here in the real world..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Who could possibly think the Moon owned Times would print anything other than pure balderdash. The Washington Times, like Fox, is a propaganda machine for power and money. Money is so corrupting a part of America today, that most fail to see the real cause of our current trouble which are roughly 40 years of republican policies. Code words stand in for thought and reality is modified so it fits a narrow frame. For those who can still see a bit of the real check out link below and five steps.

"The probability, then, is that the next election will be close. It could also be fateful. Not because it is apt to enable the kind of electoral transformation the country urgently needs. But the Republican Party already has a majority on the Supreme Court, which increasingly attacks the rights of workers and consumers. If it captures the White House and both houses of Congress it will pass Draconian measures and deploy repressive tactics to stifle public dissent. All in the name of freedom. What to do?" William E. Connolly See The Contemporary Condition: The Republican Pincer Machine

"To me, the first thing to do is to explain in sympathetic ways what kind of pressures the white working class faces today, without caving in to tendencies within a segment of this class to demonize minorities.

The second is to remind people forcefully how many times tax cuts for the rich and market deregulation have generated economic crises, starting with the Great Depression.

The third, and most fundamental, is to challenge head on Republican definitions of freedom through anti-labor and anti-consumer policies of the state joined to a vision of market self-sufficiency, elaborating a richer story of how freedom works and how deregulated markets demean it."

See others at link above.

If it happens at all, the 2012 Election will not be close; Dems lose in another landslide maybe bigger than in 2010.

 

[sparky]

Who could possibly think the Moon owned Times would print anything other than pure balderdash. The Washington Times, like Fox, is a propaganda machine for power and money. Money is so corrupting a part of America today, that most fail to see the real cause of our current trouble which are roughly 40 years of republican policies. Code words stand in for thought and reality is modified so it fits a narrow frame. For those who can still see a bit of the real check out link below and five steps.

"The probability, then, is that the next election will be close. It could also be fateful. Not because it is apt to enable the kind of electoral transformation the country urgently needs. But the Republican Party already has a majority on the Supreme Court, which increasingly attacks the rights of workers and consumers. If it captures the White House and both houses of Congress it will pass Draconian measures and deploy repressive tactics to stifle public dissent. All in the name of freedom. What to do?" William E. Connolly See The Contemporary Condition: The Republican Pincer Machine

"To me, the first thing to do is to explain in sympathetic ways what kind of pressures the white working class faces today, without caving in to tendencies within a segment of this class to demonize minorities.

The second is to remind people forcefully how many times tax cuts for the rich and market deregulation have generated economic crises, starting with the Great Depression.

The third, and most fundamental, is to challenge head on Republican definitions of freedom through anti-labor and anti-consumer policies of the state joined to a vision of market self-sufficiency, elaborating a richer story of how freedom works and how deregulated markets demean it."

See others at link above.

So the Right becomes the bearer of “freedom”, while the Left becomes the bearer of “welfare” disconnected from it. A dangerous combination.


There is a double bind at work here. First, masculinization of the market and feminization of state welfare draws many in the white working class toward the myth of unregulated markets. Second, attempts to draw attention to how the first bind works intensifies resentment among these very constituencies against the Democratic Party, the welfare state, and state regulation. The account seems to challenge the image of freedom they express. Obama found that out in 2008 when, in a fundraising speech leaked to the media, he noted the resentment felt by many members of the white working class. To point to the bind and the pressures to stifle enunciation of it is to risk deepening the bind. That is the second bind in the double bind.



The political formula of the radical right is thus effective while dangerous to the country. On the other hand, to ignore the double bind is to forget the suffering of the working class, to court the loss of an urgently needed constituency, and to risk allowing the rightward drive of the country to continue.


Neoliberal heroes, Fox Talking Heads, and evangelical publicists help to incite the vulnerabilities in question; they then feed upon the struggle of many white males to conceal them from their families. This pincers movement helps to explain the Tea Party, which, by the way, is not “new” but merely the latest incarnation of an “evangelical-capitalist resonance machine” that has helped to define the public philosophy of America since 1980. Clinton and Obama swim in these waters, even if they sometimes make faint efforts to climb out of them.


rather well said ....

 

[sparky]

If it happens at all, the 2012 Election will not be close; Dems lose in another landslide maybe bigger than in 2010.

great pratisan expectations this a.m. Frank?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If it happens at all, the 2012 Election will not be close; Dems lose in another landslide maybe bigger than in 2010.

great pratisan expectations this a.m. Frank?

Even without highlighting his epic failures, Obama is radioactive to so many people, his only chance to stay in office more than one term is to declare martial law and cancel the election

 

[oldsalt]

What will the Republicans propose to put people back to work? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Humm....Their budget has passed the house, Ryan has a plan, so where is Obama's plan? He is the president right? Where is the plan? Speeches aren't a plan, Where is the democrat budget?

Ryan's plan is shit. Where are the jobs?????????????????????????????

 

[oldsalt]

If it happens at all, the 2012 Election will not be close; Dems lose in another landslide maybe bigger than in 2010.

great pratisan expectations this a.m. Frank?

Even without highlighting his epic failures, Obama is radioactive to so many people, his only chance to stay in office more than one term is to declare martial law and cancel the election

LOL, Drama Queen. OR, Moochelle Bacccchmannnnn could get the nomination, and then Barack is assured a second term. Thanks for the goofballs, you pubtard.

 

[editec]

If wonder if you folks who believe that Obama has failed would answer the following questions?

1. What would the Republicans have done (be specific, please) had they controlled the Whitehouse and Congress since 2008?

2. How much better would this economy have been if they had done what you guys will now tell us they would have done?

3. Who would than have helped (specifically) , and who it would have hurt(specifically)?

These are the kinds of questions that we ought to be asking ourselves, don't you think?

 

[oldsalt]

If wonder if you folks who believe that Obama has failed would answer the following questions?

1. What would the Republicans have done (be specific, please) had they controlled the Whitehouse and Congress since 2008?

2. How much better would this economy have been if they had done what you guys will now tell us they would have done?

3. Who would than have helped (specifically) , and who it would have hurt(specifically)?

These are the kinds of questions that we ought to be asking ourselves, don't you think?

Sarah would have looked nasty on the poles!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If wonder if you folks who believe that Obama has failed would answer the following questions?

1. What would the Republicans have done (be specific, please) had they controlled the Whitehouse and Congress since 2008?

2. How much better would this economy have been if they had done what you guys will now tell us they would have done?

3. Who would than have helped (specifically) , and who it would have hurt(specifically)?

These are the kinds of questions that we ought to be asking ourselves, don't you think?

1. Not crushed business with ObamaCare
2. Let Fannie and Freddie Fail, sell them at auction (I can dream, can't I?)

 

[konradv]

Heard the markets aren't stagnant because of possible taxes, but because the Republicans don't appear to be serious about decreasing the debt. They've painted themselves into a corner and now they're going to own anything bad that comes of this. Everyone knows we're not going to get out of this by cutting costs alone, so who are they trying to fool?

 

[editec]

If wonder if you folks who believe that Obama has failed would answer the following questions?

1. What would the Republicans have done (be specific, please) had they controlled the Whitehouse and Congress since 2008?

2. How much better would this economy have been if they had done what you guys will now tell us they would have done?

3. Who would than have helped (specifically) , and who it would have hurt(specifically)?

These are the kinds of questions that we ought to be asking ourselves, don't you think?

1. Not crushed business with ObamaCare
2. Let Fannie and Freddie Fail, sell them at auction (I can dream, can't I?)

If you've been reading my posts, Frank, you know that I have objected to many of Obama's policies, that I an outraged at the way we bailed out failing banks and (as one example) the US taxpayer got ripped off in the GM deal.

Still I would like to know SPECIFRICALLY what the GOP would have done differently and who that would have helped and who it would have hurt.

I loathe Obama HC deal.

And I believe that we paid too much for the bailouts.

AIG, for example, ought to have gone into recievership instead of being bailed out.

Is that how you think GOP would play it?

I ask because that isn't how the GOP played the game when THEY ran the Treasury.

Thye bailed out fasiling banks just like a SOCIALIST government would tend to do.

You see this huge difference that YOU see, I cannot see.

Oh their rhetoric is different, but when push come to shove, these parties look remarkably the same in this regard.

So BE SPECIFIC...as it regards SOCIALISTIC BAILOUTS what would the GOP have done that Obama hasn't done?

Far as I can tell Obama response was a CONTINUATION of the Bush II response.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If wonder if you folks who believe that Obama has failed would answer the following questions?

1. What would the Republicans have done (be specific, please) had they controlled the Whitehouse and Congress since 2008?

2. How much better would this economy have been if they had done what you guys will now tell us they would have done?

3. Who would than have helped (specifically) , and who it would have hurt(specifically)?

These are the kinds of questions that we ought to be asking ourselves, don't you think?

1. Not crushed business with ObamaCare
2. Let Fannie and Freddie Fail, sell them at auction (I can dream, can't I?)

If you've been reading my posts, Frank, you know that I have objected to many of Obama's policies, that I an outraged at the way we bailed out failing banks and (as one example) the US taxpayer got ripped off in the GM deal.

Still I would like to know SPECIFRICALLY what the GOP would have done differently and who that would have helped and who it would have hurt.

I loathe Obama HC deal.

And I believe that we paid too much for the bailouts.

AIG, for example, ought to have gone into recievership instead of being bailed out.

Is that how you think GOP would play it?

I ask because that isn't how the GOP played the game when THEY ran the Treasury.

Thye bailed out fasiling banks just like a SOCIALIST government would tend to do.

You see this huge difference that YOU see, I cannot see.

Oh their rhetoric is different, but when push come to shove, these parties look remarkably the same in this regard.

So BE SPECIFIC...as it regards SOCIALISTIC BAILOUTS what would the GOP have done that Obama hasn't done?

Far as I can tell Obama response was a CONTINUATION of the Bush II response.

You are correct, Obama is Bush44 and Bush was Obama White.

The Republicans had a historic chance to show how Conservatism might work in practice but we got played by Dubya. Shame on us.

The Bush Republicans would do QE4 and Stimulus II.

 

[AllieBaba]

Only thing I can disagree with is that we are not in a recovery.
We are in a momentary lapse of reason. And when we wake up...it will be worse than 2008.
Watch.

What will the Republicans propose to put people back to work? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Open industry back up.

Allow us to log our forests, drill for oil, build on our land.