Obama, Taliban, Pakistan

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  1. Annie
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    What the hell is going on? Pakistan makes a treaty with the Taliban. Note: treaties are made between states.

    Now this?

    The Volokh Conspiracy - New war, new legal issues...

     
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    Pakistan is already a partly failed state (a failed state in the areas that the taliban control), the taliban have an unofficial country in pakistan and Afghanistan. These are not guys that care about international borders, they have only the borders that they see in reality.

    The Pakistani army is too weak to fight the taliban, they have done this before : made a peace treaty between them in which the taliban promise not to attack the government, but what is not mentioned is that they still are able to wage war against other entities (like the US in Afghanistan for example).

    It also seems that the Pakistanis are trying to avoid a civil war and are trying to let the US become like the honey for a bunch of bees (the taliban fighters). This way they take the pressure more away from Pakistan itself.

    I d say that Pakistan has betrayed the US and it is not the first time that this happens. For foreigners they will put up a facade each time so they can keep getting money from us, but this doesn't change the reality on the ground. Our leaders must be the dumbest fucks in the world if they fall for this facade, I hope we ll take half of their money away and put it to better use (it is not like we can afford to throw our money away)
     
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    The Pakistani Government has damn little choice. They can't hang on to the limited power they have in the country and vigorously prosecute a war against the militants in the North and they still have to placate the US as best they can to keep US support comming in hence the peculiar policy of condemning US attacks on militant targets in the North while simultaneously furnishing bases for the drones that carry out said attacks. It is, in short, real politik at its closest to the ground.

    On the other hand the US is a bit short on rational choices as well. The current Pakistani regime is extraordinarily vulnaerable and often the left hand seems unaware wht the right hand is doing as in the case of the recent attacks in India, however allowing this government to collapse widens the war even further
     
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    So you and Munin agree, Obama is basically creating a new war with Pakistan?
     
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    Not with Pakistan per se but rather continuing a war against the Taliban and Al Qeada by any means necessary and with the tacit if unspoken support of the Current Pakistani government.
     
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    As I recall Obama said he would go after them even during his campaign.
     
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    Yep he did. I think however that he is taking a far more nuanced approach to it than his campaign indicated he would and frankly that would be a good thing. Now if we can just get him to do something to actually help the economy instead of hamstring it....
     
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    He's quickly widening the war in Pakistan, threatening their sovereignty. No doubt what is going on, question is how long Pakistan will not react and join the Taliban.
     
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    Not really. I suspect the Pakistani political leaders are getting some say in targetting at times and that we are trying to take into account there needs as well as our own as much as we reasonably can. Let's not forget here that essentially Pakistan is two countries with one government and has been so in many respects since it split of from India shortly after the British Raj was overthrown.
     
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    I disagree. The reaction time will not be long. India and Pakistan already are at each other's throats again, I can't see Pakistan affording this, which is why they have de facto recognized the Taliban as legal in the 'state' of Swat.
     

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