Obama strengthens USA's international relations

because of our supply support, right? the tide on the eastern front had turned before Normandy.

Just saying to everyone, not just you Elvis:

Without the Soviet Union, Europe would of been completely fucked with Hitler not having to worry about having to fight Stalin.

By then, the U.S would of had no allies in Europe to help and couldn't of won the war herself or MAYBE with MASSIVE losses.
 
The Maletov-von Ribbentropf pact saved Russia. Without it, the Germans would have taken Moscow and Leningrad.
 
Without the USA, the Soviets would have been speaking german.
We just did threads on the debacle at Kursk and the ineptitude of the Abwehr, and you can still say that??
Of course.

Are you not aware the USA fed and clothed the ENTIRE Soviet army for the bulk of the war?

Our Russian friends would not have won with naked starving troops, its one of the little facts of WWII that escape people.

Another is we 'needed' the russians to win.

It would have cost more American lives and taken more time, but the Nazis would not have done any better against A bombs then the Japanese did.
I'm completely aware of that....Still the famed "Second Front" was completely unnecessary, other than to placate Stalin.

We didn't need the Soviets to win any more than we needed the Nazis to win....Both of them were rat fuckers.

In fact, Patton (wisely IM not-at-all HO) wanted to grab German troops and technology and attack the Russians in 1945.
 
That is the reason why, The Russians used 100% American trucks and American gas & oil, their weapons rolled on US rubber tires, the list is endless.

Still, it's ignorance to say that the Russians did little to nothing. Without them, the Allied Forces wouldn't of won the war and vice versa.
 
I'm completely aware of that....Still the famed "Second Front" was completely unnecessary, other than to placate Stalin.

We didn't need the Soviets to win any more than we needed the Nazis to win....Both of them were rat fuckers.

In fact, Patton (wisely IM not-at-all HO) wanted to grab German troops and technology and attack the Russians in 1945.

Which is exactly why Patton wanted all American POWs out of Russia ASAP because he didn't trust them.
 
because of our supply support, right? the tide on the eastern front had turned before Normandy.

Just saying to everyone, not just you Elvis:

Without the Soviet Union, Europe would of been completely fucked with Hitler not having to worry about having to fight Stalin.

By then, the U.S would of had no allies in Europe to help and couldn't of won the war herself or MAYBE with MASSIVE losses.
But they did have allies in Europe- Great Britain....Hitler couldn't even pull off air superiority over England and the Channel, let alone a land invasion.
 
We just did threads on the debacle at Kursk and the ineptitude of the Abwehr, and you can still say that??
Of course.

Are you not aware the USA fed and clothed the ENTIRE Soviet army for the bulk of the war?

Our Russian friends would not have won with naked starving troops, its one of the little facts of WWII that escape people.

Another is we 'needed' the russians to win.

It would have cost more American lives and taken more time, but the Nazis would not have done any better against A bombs then the Japanese did.
I'm completely aware of that....Still the famed "Second Front" was completely unnecessary, other than to placate Stalin.

We didn't need the Soviets to win any more than we needed the Nazis to win....Both of them were rat fuckers.

In fact, Patton (wisely IM not-at-all HO) wanted to grab German troops and technology and attack the Russians in 1945.

some historians think we didn't save France from Hitler, but rather from stalin. There were many in Russia who wanted the entire German country annexed and to march to Paris.
 
That is the reason why, The Russians used 100% American trucks and American gas & oil, their weapons rolled on US rubber tires, the list is endless.

Still, it's ignorance to say that the Russians did little to nothing. Without them, the Allied Forces wouldn't of won the war and vice versa.
The didn't do anything in the Pacific.

They kept and interned the B-29s that emergency landed on their east coast to keep from provoking the Japanese into attacking them.
 
But they did have allies in Europe- Great Britain....Hitler couldn't even pull off air superiority over England and the Channel, let alone a land invasion.

It would of been a different story if Hitler could of focused everything on Great Britain.
 
That is the reason why, The Russians used 100% American trucks and American gas & oil, their weapons rolled on US rubber tires, the list is endless.

Still, it's ignorance to say that the Russians did little to nothing. Without them, the Allied Forces wouldn't of won the war and vice versa.
The didn't do anything in the Pacific.

They kept and interned the B-29s that emergency landed on their east coast to keep from provoking the Japanese into attacking them.

the russians planned on taking Hokkaido. It had been agreed upon that in exchange for getting involved in Manchuria, Stalin would be a big part in Japan's future, which included taking Hokkaido, and the Kuile Island and Sahkalin which Japan had taken from them in 1905. After the a-bombs were dropped, Truman renegged on Hokkaido and demanded that the US have an air base in the Kuriles.
 
But they did have allies in Europe- Great Britain....Hitler couldn't even pull off air superiority over England and the Channel, let alone a land invasion.

It would of been a different story if Hitler could of focused everything on Great Britain.

He didn't want a war with Britain. Never did. He wanted to expand eastward. the goal was to knock Britain out of the war.
 
the russians planned on taking Hokkaido. It had been agreed upon that in exchange for getting involved in Manchuria, Stalin would be a big part in Japan's future, which included taking Hokkaido, and the Kuile Island and Sahkalin which Japan had taken from them in 1905. After the a-bombs were dropped, Truman renegged on Hokkaido and demanded that the US have an air base in the Kuriles.
Yes, but that was only to be after the Nazis were dispatched.

It's also unlikely that Stalin would've returned the three B-29s he ended up copying.
 
Obama is strengthening our relationships with Russia, the G8 nations and the Vatican.

The Bush administration soured international relations with their arrogant unilateral style.

Obama is healing the relations as shown by the success of his current trip. Obama knows how to disagree with others but not be disagreeable. George Bush was disagreeable whether he agreed or disagreed with other international leaders.

Another plus is Obama knows how to chew with his mouth closed.



There is not much love lost from me on Bush, so I will not respond on your weak ploy using him in your praise of Obama.

However, if you think Obama is benefiting this nation with his repeated victory world tours, your a damn fool. The few who do respect him after he leaves their presence, don't matter anyway!

The ones who do matter are smirking like that cat who has the mouse right where he wants it.

As the farm is going into foreclosure, Obama is slowly selling it off at bargain basement price, one section at a time. :eek:
 
That is the reason why, The Russians used 100% American trucks and American gas & oil, their weapons rolled on US rubber tires, the list is endless.

Still, it's ignorance to say that the Russians did little to nothing. Without them, the Allied Forces wouldn't of won the war and vice versa.
Wrong.

The allies would still have won, the cost would have been higher.
 
That is the reason why, The Russians used 100% American trucks and American gas & oil, their weapons rolled on US rubber tires, the list is endless.

Still, it's ignorance to say that the Russians did little to nothing. Without them, the Allied Forces wouldn't of won the war and vice versa.
Wrong.

The allies would still have won, the cost would have been higher.

Even if the Germans had captured the oil from the Caucuses?
 
However, if you think Obama is benefiting this nation with his repeated victory world tours, your a damn fool. The few who do respect him after he leaves their presence, don't matter anyway!

The ones who do matter are smirking like that cat who has the mouse right where he wants it.
Damned right they are.

Were I Pooty-poot or any other national leader of importance, I'd tell that arrogant little rube anything he wanted to hear, and do whatever the hell I wanted.
 

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