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Did the same thing happen often under previous presidents?
Not like this, sometimes you had fighting, but you never saw 100% partisan bills passed with things like reconcilliation.
The system is breaking down, its not supposed to be a tyranny of the majority, but the current gov has either forgotten this or is ignoring it.
The voters will decide which it is.
simply put, what you are saying, is NOT TRUE....
and THIS shows your flawed thinking on matters imo xeno.
BOTH SIDES have done things like this, to the SAME DEPTH.....me thinks you need to take those rosey colored glasses off, and see the truth about republicans in congress and the DEPTH OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE previously, when they had the majority....
no knowledgeable person on politics could honestly make that statement of yours....
your ''side'' that you choose to honor, is as slimy as the rest of the bunch!
this is why i think arguing about these measures is fruitless....and yes, sad at that!
care
Care my dear, my 'thinking' is far from flawed, you simply a victim of a constant barage of propaganda from the big government stooges.Did the same thing happen often under previous presidents?
Not like this, sometimes you had fighting, but you never saw 100% partisan bills passed with things like reconcilliation.
The system is breaking down, its not supposed to be a tyranny of the majority, but the current gov has either forgotten this or is ignoring it.
The voters will decide which it is.
simply put, what you are saying, is NOT TRUE....
and THIS shows your flawed thinking on matters imo xeno.
BOTH SIDES have done things like this, to the SAME DEPTH.....me thinks you need to take those rosey colored glasses off, and see the truth about republicans in congress and the DEPTH OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE previously, when they had the majority....
no knowledgeable person on politics could honestly make that statement of yours....
your ''side'' that you choose to honor, is as slimy as the rest of the bunch!
this is why i think arguing about these measures is fruitless....and yes, sad at that!
care
Did the same thing happen often under previous presidents?
Not like this, sometimes you had fighting, but you never saw 100% partisan bills passed with things like reconcilliation.
The system is breaking down, its not supposed to be a tyranny of the majority, but the current gov has either forgotten this or is ignoring it.
The voters will decide which it is.
simply put, what you are saying, is NOT TRUE....
and THIS shows your flawed thinking on matters imo xeno.
BOTH SIDES have done things like this, to the SAME DEPTH.....me thinks you need to take those rosey colored glasses off, and see the truth about republicans in congress and the DEPTH OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE previously, when they had the majority....
no knowledgeable person on politics could honestly make that statement of yours....
your ''side'' that you choose to honor, is as slimy as the rest of the bunch!
this is why i think arguing about these measures is fruitless....and yes, sad at that!
care
I don't have a problem with the government taking back the authority to regulate how tax dollars are spent. The loan guarantee and subsidy programs are full of corruption on the part of some lenders that are big in this market. Private lenders can still make student loans. It appears now they just are not getting our tax dollars to do it?The great divider, Barry just is a political gift that keeps on giving, if you are the opposition party.
Obama Takes More Aggressive Tack - WSJ.com
Mr. Obama campaigned on calling for an end to partisan bickering in Washington, but once in office he launched an ambitious agenda that pursued several long-held Democratic goals.
Meanwhile, Republicans decided at an early stage to aggressively oppose most of Mr. Obama's agenda. Partisan tensions have run high for most of his term.
Recently, Mr. Obama has been swinging particularly hard. He followed up his "go for it" taunt Thursday with the recess appointment of union lawyer Craig Becker to the National Labor Relations Board, adopting a tactic that presidents of both parties have used in recent decades to skirt the normal confirmation process. Mr. Becker's confirmation had been blocked in the Senate by a filibuster in February.
On Tuesday, Mr. Obama will sign what has been billed as a package of fixes to the health-care bill, approved under rules that required only a simple majority vote to pass in the Senate. That nullified Republicans' power to block it through a filibuster.
Democrats attached to the bill a major overhaul of student-lending laws, which eliminated a federal subsidy for private tuition lenders, federalized most student loans and plowed the savings into expanded federal higher education aid. Republicans say the bill will destroy the private student-lending market.
Mr. Alexander, the Tennessee Republican, called the student-loan move "really brazen" and "the most underreported, biggest Washington takeover in history."
So little time, and so much to repeal.
Care my dear, my 'thinking' is far from flawed, you simply a victim of a constant barage of propaganda from teh big government stooges.Not like this, sometimes you had fighting, but you never saw 100% partisan bills passed with things like reconcilliation.
The system is breaking down, its not supposed to be a tyranny of the majority, but the current gov has either forgotten this or is ignoring it.
The voters will decide which it is.
simply put, what you are saying, is NOT TRUE....
and THIS shows your flawed thinking on matters imo xeno.
BOTH SIDES have done things like this, to the SAME DEPTH.....me thinks you need to take those rosey colored glasses off, and see the truth about republicans in congress and the DEPTH OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE previously, when they had the majority....
no knowledgeable person on politics could honestly make that statement of yours....
your ''side'' that you choose to honor, is as slimy as the rest of the bunch!
this is why i think arguing about these measures is fruitless....and yes, sad at that!
care
No legislation of this type was EVER forced through without a single minority party vote EVER.
Not once.
Any other biull that is named by the propagandists had at LEAST one opposition party vote, this has NONE.
ZERO.
Zilch.
De Nada.
Really, try and think outside the box of partisan politics and understand taht the principle of the rights of the minority party in teh USA are being removed, and the consequences of doing this will be.
Barry and friends live only in the here and now and don't care about the long term consequences of their actions, a recipe for US disaster.
if that is the goal its a fruitless one, by operating this way, they set the stage for the repeal of it all with simple majorities.Agreed! But I do believe they have looked at the long-term in a way that that want to see and have our great country more like a European country.
Not like this, sometimes you had fighting, but you never saw 100% partisan bills passed with things like reconcilliation.
The system is breaking down, its not supposed to be a tyranny of the majority, but the current gov has either forgotten this or is ignoring it.
The voters will decide which it is.
simply put, what you are saying, is NOT TRUE....
and THIS shows your flawed thinking on matters imo xeno.
BOTH SIDES have done things like this, to the SAME DEPTH.....me thinks you need to take those rosey colored glasses off, and see the truth about republicans in congress and the DEPTH OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE previously, when they had the majority....
no knowledgeable person on politics could honestly make that statement of yours....
your ''side'' that you choose to honor, is as slimy as the rest of the bunch!
this is why i think arguing about these measures is fruitless....and yes, sad at that!
care
(bolding mine)
Have to disagree there... I don't believe 14+ states ever went to court to counter the passage of one of Bush's bills...
No way is it the SAME DEPTH....
Not like this, sometimes you had fighting, but you never saw 100% partisan bills passed with things like reconcilliation.
The system is breaking down, its not supposed to be a tyranny of the majority, but the current gov has either forgotten this or is ignoring it.
The voters will decide which it is.
simply put, what you are saying, is NOT TRUE....
and THIS shows your flawed thinking on matters imo xeno.
BOTH SIDES have done things like this, to the SAME DEPTH.....me thinks you need to take those rosey colored glasses off, and see the truth about republicans in congress and the DEPTH OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE previously, when they had the majority....
no knowledgeable person on politics could honestly make that statement of yours....
your ''side'' that you choose to honor, is as slimy as the rest of the bunch!
this is why i think arguing about these measures is fruitless....and yes, sad at that!
care
(bolding mine)
Have to disagree there... I don't believe 14+ states ever went to court to counter the passage of one of Bush's bills...
No way is it the SAME DEPTH....
The great divider, Barry just is a political gift that keeps on giving, if you are the opposition party.
Obama Takes More Aggressive Tack - WSJ.com
Mr. Obama campaigned on calling for an end to partisan bickering in Washington, but once in office he launched an ambitious agenda that pursued several long-held Democratic goals.
Meanwhile, Republicans decided at an early stage to aggressively oppose most of Mr. Obama's agenda. Partisan tensions have run high for most of his term.
Recently, Mr. Obama has been swinging particularly hard. He followed up his "go for it" taunt Thursday with the recess appointment of union lawyer Craig Becker to the National Labor Relations Board, adopting a tactic that presidents of both parties have used in recent decades to skirt the normal confirmation process. Mr. Becker's confirmation had been blocked in the Senate by a filibuster in February.
On Tuesday, Mr. Obama will sign what has been billed as a package of fixes to the health-care bill, approved under rules that required only a simple majority vote to pass in the Senate. That nullified Republicans' power to block it through a filibuster.
Democrats attached to the bill a major overhaul of student-lending laws, which eliminated a federal subsidy for private tuition lenders, federalized most student loans and plowed the savings into expanded federal higher education aid. Republicans say the bill will destroy the private student-lending market.
Mr. Alexander, the Tennessee Republican, called the student-loan move "really brazen" and "the most underreported, biggest Washington takeover in history."
So little time, and so much to repeal.
I must confess I'm getting really tired of entirely unrelated pieces of policy being bolted together for the sake of political expediency.
simply put, what you are saying, is NOT TRUE....
and THIS shows your flawed thinking on matters imo xeno.
BOTH SIDES have done things like this, to the SAME DEPTH.....me thinks you need to take those rosey colored glasses off, and see the truth about republicans in congress and the DEPTH OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE previously, when they had the majority....
no knowledgeable person on politics could honestly make that statement of yours....
your ''side'' that you choose to honor, is as slimy as the rest of the bunch!
this is why i think arguing about these measures is fruitless....and yes, sad at that!
care
(bolding mine)
Have to disagree there... I don't believe 14+ states ever went to court to counter the passage of one of Bush's bills...
No way is it the SAME DEPTH....
please, for the love of God and truth, or whomever you may worship, read this one link, in full...and come back to me then, and tell me, I am still wrong.
it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone, with any kind of a brain and self respect, to read this article, and still support what xeno mistakenly thinks on this....
BOTH SIDES have been equally atrocious....those from the right wing and left wing have been prosecuted and convicted for their lawlessness...
please read this....maybe then, you and samson and xeno and others can actually admit the truth on this....
the article made me want to throw up, it made me sick inside....as sick as i am certain you all feel on some of the machinations done to get this bill passed.
I am NOT lying, my opinion on this is NOT without merit....which you will see by reading the article.
Poison pill: how Abramoff's cronies sold the Medicare drug bill. - Free Online Library
simply put, what you are saying, is NOT TRUE....
and THIS shows your flawed thinking on matters imo xeno.
BOTH SIDES have done things like this, to the SAME DEPTH.....me thinks you need to take those rosey colored glasses off, and see the truth about republicans in congress and the DEPTH OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE previously, when they had the majority....
no knowledgeable person on politics could honestly make that statement of yours....
your ''side'' that you choose to honor, is as slimy as the rest of the bunch!
this is why i think arguing about these measures is fruitless....and yes, sad at that!
care
(bolding mine)
Have to disagree there... I don't believe 14+ states ever went to court to counter the passage of one of Bush's bills...
No way is it the SAME DEPTH....
please, for the love of God and truth, or whomever you may worship, read this one link, in full...and come back to me then, and tell me, I am still wrong.
it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone, with any kind of a brain and self respect, to read this article, and still support what xeno mistakenly thinks on this....
BOTH SIDES have been equally atrocious....those from the right wing and left wing have been prosecuted and convicted for their lawlessness...
please read this....maybe then, you and samson and xeno and others can actually admit the truth on this....
the article made me want to throw up, it made me sick inside....as sick as i am certain you all feel on some of the machinations done to get this bill passed.
I am NOT lying, my opinion on this is NOT without merit....which you will see by reading the article.
Poison pill: how Abramoff's cronies sold the Medicare drug bill. - Free Online Library
The image and integrity of Congress have been called into serious question. To restore public faith in Congress, the institution must initiate a careful examination of how corrupt practices have influenced the legislative process. Understanding what went wrong is a prerequisite to accountability and reform.
For these reasons, we urge you to direct an immediate investigation into the legislative process that produced the Medicare Prescription Drug Act, the drafting of the pharmaceutical provisions in the pending budget reconciliation bill, and the role of the Alexander Strategy Group.
Sincerely,
Nancy Pelosi
Democratic Leader
Steny H. Hoyer
Democratic Whip
Henry A. Waxman
Ranking Minority Member
Committee on Government Reform
(bolding mine)
Have to disagree there... I don't believe 14+ states ever went to court to counter the passage of one of Bush's bills...
No way is it the SAME DEPTH....
please, for the love of God and truth, or whomever you may worship, read this one link, in full...and come back to me then, and tell me, I am still wrong.
it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone, with any kind of a brain and self respect, to read this article, and still support what xeno mistakenly thinks on this....
BOTH SIDES have been equally atrocious....those from the right wing and left wing have been prosecuted and convicted for their lawlessness...
please read this....maybe then, you and samson and xeno and others can actually admit the truth on this....
the article made me want to throw up, it made me sick inside....as sick as i am certain you all feel on some of the machinations done to get this bill passed.
I am NOT lying, my opinion on this is NOT without merit....which you will see by reading the article.
Poison pill: how Abramoff's cronies sold the Medicare drug bill. - Free Online Library
I couldn't get your linky to work, but I found this:
Its a January, 25 2006, conclusion to a letter to the then Speaker of the House, The Honorable J. Dennis Hastert, wherein Pelosi bitches about unfair practices, etc., etc...
The image and integrity of Congress have been called into serious question. To restore public faith in Congress, the institution must initiate a careful examination of how corrupt practices have influenced the legislative process. Understanding what went wrong is a prerequisite to accountability and reform.
For these reasons, we urge you to direct an immediate investigation into the legislative process that produced the Medicare Prescription Drug Act, the drafting of the pharmaceutical provisions in the pending budget reconciliation bill, and the role of the Alexander Strategy Group.
Sincerely,
Nancy Pelosi
Democratic Leader
Steny H. Hoyer
Democratic Whip
Henry A. Waxman
Ranking Minority Member
Committee on Government Reform
What was the outcome??