Obama admin. to 'allow' insurers to charge higher rates for sick children

[Trajan]

*shrugs shoulders* .....its not quite an exemption, since its a mass decree, but close. That is another exemption or adjustment to correct for the ....wait for it.........I said wait for it.....


unintended consequences of Obama care.



U.S. to Let Insurers Raise Fees for Sick Children
By ROBERT PEAR
Published: October 13, 2010


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration, aiming to encourage health insurance companies to offer child-only policies, said Wednesday that they could charge higher premiums for coverage of children with serious medical problems, if state law allowed it.

Earlier this year, major insurers, faced with an unprofitable business, stopped issuing new child-only policies. They said that the Obama administration’s interpretation of the new health care law would allow families to buy such coverage at the last minute, when children became ill and were headed to the hospital.

In September, the administration said that insurers could establish open-enrollment periods — for example, one month a year — during which they would accept all children.

Now, on Wednesday, the administration, answering a question raised by many insurers, said they could charge higher premiums to sick children outside the open-enrollment period, if state laws allowed such underwriting, as many do.

Insurers “can adjust their rates based on health status until 2014, to the extent state law allows,” said Jay Angoff, director of the Office of Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight at the Department of Health and Human Services.

conclusion-
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/health/policy/14health.html
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[Revere]

What a failure. Wrecks a system and doesn't even accomplish what he lied about setting out to do.

Defund this bullshit.

 

[Greenbeard]

ts not quite an exemption, since its a mass decree, but close.

How is it close? There's nothing in the legislation about community rating for child-only (or any) insurance policies prior to the opening of the exchanges in 2014 and thus there's nothing to exempt anyone from. There's only a guaranteed issue provision; what HHS is doing now is clarifying strategies insurers can use through 2014 for deterring adverse selection.

 

[Trajan]

so thats what you take issue with? My use of exemption...waiver...that better? ...oh no, sorta of a wink and a nod, a please go right ahead cause we made a boo boo...so you may petition the commissions for a raise in rates.

hey dude!!!your house is on fire......huh what? Oh darn I have hole in my sock.

Jesus Christ dude. Sell it somewhere else, okay?

 

[Greenbeard]

The premise of your thread is that something here was adjusted, waived, or exempted to mitigate the effects of the law. This, of course, is false as HHS has merely restated what ACA itself says.

So yes, I take issue with your thread being entirely inaccurate. Weird, huh?

 

[Bern80]

The premise of your thread is that something here was adjusted, waived, or exempted to mitigate the effects of the law. This, of course, is false as HHS has merely restated what ACA itself says.

So yes, I take issue with your thread being entirely inaccurate. Weird, huh?

Yep it's innaccurate all right......well except for the part where Obama said people won't be charged more for pre-existing conditions........

 

[Claudette]

*shrugs shoulders* .....its not quite an exemption, since its a mass decree, but close. That is another exemption or adjustment to correct for the ....wait for it.........I said wait for it.....


unintended consequences of Obama care.



U.S. to Let Insurers Raise Fees for Sick Children
By ROBERT PEAR
Published: October 13, 2010


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration, aiming to encourage health insurance companies to offer child-only policies, said Wednesday that they could charge higher premiums for coverage of children with serious medical problems, if state law allowed it.

Earlier this year, major insurers, faced with an unprofitable business, stopped issuing new child-only policies. They said that the Obama administration’s interpretation of the new health care law would allow families to buy such coverage at the last minute, when children became ill and were headed to the hospital.

In September, the administration said that insurers could establish open-enrollment periods — for example, one month a year — during which they would accept all children.

Now, on Wednesday, the administration, answering a question raised by many insurers, said they could charge higher premiums to sick children outside the open-enrollment period, if state laws allowed such underwriting, as many do.

Insurers “can adjust their rates based on health status until 2014, to the extent state law allows,” said Jay Angoff, director of the Office of Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight at the Department of Health and Human Services.

conclusion-
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/health/policy/14health.html
rest at-

Yeah.

Those "Unintended consequences" are a bitch ain't they??

 

[TossObama]

There is no end to the horrors and no way to measure the mess that Obama and his "committees" have made and are making. With that guy, it's just one stupid and dangerous thing after another.

We made a terrible mistake supporting that man and electing him to office.

 

[code1211]

ts not quite an exemption, since its a mass decree, but close.

How is it close? There's nothing in the legislation about community rating for child-only (or any) insurance policies prior to the opening of the exchanges in 2014 and thus there's nothing to exempt anyone from. There's only a guaranteed issue provision; what HHS is doing now is clarifying strategies insurers can use through 2014 for deterring adverse selection.

This whole thing is Columbus legislation. They didn't know where they were going when they started, they didn't know where they were when they got there and they are doing it all with someone else's money.

Nobody knows what's in this abortion and every time another tid bit comes to light, it stinks worse than the last tid bit.

Defund this thing before it gets any worse.

If you want to spend tax dollars to insure the uninsured, then do that. Make it a clean and trackable program and leave the rest of us alone.

Hoax and chains: Tickle up poverty for America.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I've said it many times. Obamacare simply forgot that the objective was to insure more people by making insurance more affordable. It's the more affordable part they forgot. Instead they decided on more control.

 

[code1211]

The premise of your thread is that something here was adjusted, waived, or exempted to mitigate the effects of the law. This, of course, is false as HHS has merely restated what ACA itself says.

So yes, I take issue with your thread being entirely inaccurate. Weird, huh?

You must understand, though, that the Feds doing anything on Insurance is the slippery slope that we are already on. The Feds are granting exemptions to companies and to citizens to procure coverage at higher rates than it cost before.

Get it?

The cost is higher and permissions must be granted by the government to do business. Even a Socialist has to see that this is bad deal. What was once available is no more. What was once affordable, if it can be found will, be much more costly. What was once a free transaction is now regulated and forced, prior approval by authority being needed.

It costs more. It's less available. The government must approve it on a case by case basis. It is the opposite of what the Dems said it would be and exactly what the critics predicted.

Hoax and chains: Trickle up poverty for America.

 

[uscitizen]

And I thought everyone wanted to reduce the numbers of poor children?

 

[code1211]

I've said it many times. Obamacare simply forgot that the objective was to insure more people by making insurance more affordable. It's the more affordable part they forgot. Instead they decided on more control.

Who could possibly have predicted this? Oh, wait! That's right! About 60% of the population predicted this and the Dems passed it anyway.

Hoax and chains: Trickle up poverty for America.

 

[code1211]

And I thought everyone wanted to reduce the numbers of poor children?

That will be one of the results of this legislation.

 

[uscitizen]

And I thought everyone wanted to reduce the numbers of poor children?

That will be one of the results of this legislation.

This change was no doubt to try and get republicans to vote for it.

 

[jreeves]

And I thought everyone wanted to reduce the numbers of poor children?

That will be one of the results of this legislation.

This change was no doubt to try and get republicans to vote for it.

It was probably discussed in one of those closed door Congressional committee sessions. This was grease to help the wheels of law making to turn.

 

[Chris]

The French have the best healthcare system. It is a combination of public and private care.

They control costs by making medical schools cheaper, so there are more doctors per capita, limiting liablity, and negotiating costs.

We should learn from them, but we won't. We will continue to be ripped off by our bloated for profit system designed to make money off the sick. Obama is trying to change this, but the corporate media(FoxLies) and the big monied interests are against it.

 

[jreeves]

The French have the best healthcare system. It is a combination of public and private care.

They control costs by making medical schools cheaper, so there are more doctors per capita, limiting liablity, and negotiating costs.

We should learn from them, but we won't. We will continue to be ripped off by our bloated for profit system designed to make money off the sick. Obama is trying to change this, but the corporate media(FoxLies) and the big monied interests are against it.

Yep France the "entitled" society, I'm sure that America can't wait until this shows up on our streets. When politicians stop lying and face reality that the population can not afford multi-trillion dollar entitlements. Just remember the rioting in France was caused by raising the retirement age by two years.

Yes France is the model of the world....LMAO
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Tw5ZxgtaA[/ame]

 

[HUGGY]

*shrugs shoulders* .....its not quite an exemption, since its a mass decree, but close. That is another exemption or adjustment to correct for the ....wait for it.........I said wait for it.....


unintended consequences of Obama care.



U.S. to Let Insurers Raise Fees for Sick Children
By ROBERT PEAR
Published: October 13, 2010


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration, aiming to encourage health insurance companies to offer child-only policies, said Wednesday that they could charge higher premiums for coverage of children with serious medical problems, if state law allowed it.

Earlier this year, major insurers, faced with an unprofitable business, stopped issuing new child-only policies. They said that the Obama administration’s interpretation of the new health care law would allow families to buy such coverage at the last minute, when children became ill and were headed to the hospital.

In September, the administration said that insurers could establish open-enrollment periods — for example, one month a year — during which they would accept all children.

Now, on Wednesday, the administration, answering a question raised by many insurers, said they could charge higher premiums to sick children outside the open-enrollment period, if state laws allowed such underwriting, as many do.

Insurers “can adjust their rates based on health status until 2014, to the extent state law allows,” said Jay Angoff, director of the Office of Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight at the Department of Health and Human Services.

conclusion-
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/health/policy/14health.html
rest at-

SOOOooo...... How hard did you fight for a Public Option? and all this bellyaching about a proposed or requested higher premium for existing conditions is worse than no insurance at all? That was the existing situation. Previous existing condition ...nothing for ya pal..just die. So what really is your point?

 

[FireFly]

The French have the best healthcare system. It is a combination of public and private care.

They control costs by making medical schools cheaper, so there are more doctors per capita, limiting liablity, and negotiating costs.

We should learn from them, but we won't. We will continue to be ripped off by our bloated for profit system designed to make money off the sick. Obama is trying to change this, but the corporate media(FoxLies) and the big monied interests are against it.

The AMA Doctors Union strictly limits the enrollment of medical students to limit competition keeping their medical service fees sky high. Just one more corrupt union screwing the American citizens for all their worth.