Bull Ring NYcarbineer: Gender is based on culture (and anthropology/social science) not genetic science

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    NYcarbineer argues in another thread that GENDER is cultural
    and the anthropology and social sciences to back that up can be
    equally cited as science (as the genetic science using sexual
    organs to determine gender, as cited by those arguing that the
    relative approach to gender identity is NOT proven by science)

    My argument is that both approaches are equally faith based beliefs in how people define gender.
    If you want to call that "cultural" then FINE, but BOTH approaches should be equally left to the free
    choice of individuals, similar to choice of belief and spiritual identity, and NOT penalized by Govt.

    I argue that if LGBT beliefs are treated as faith based, then these are already protected
    under First and Fourteenth Amendment principles against discrimination by creed.
    So I argue that if Christian beliefs and practices are forced to be removed from public policy,
    institutions and property, then the LGBT beliefs, expressions and practices should be treated the same;
    but if LGBT beliefs are endorsed and protected by govt, so should the Christian practices and expressions
    be allowed to be incorporated into public policy equally. Or it's a discrimination by creed to treat these differently. They are both beliefs that are faith based, and not proven by science to opponents of other beliefs.

    This thread is to call out NYcarbineer on why should LGBT beliefs
    that "gender is cultural" be endorsed by govt while penalizing people who disagree,
    if Christian beliefs (such as in spiritual healing which has been demonstrated
    through scientific medical studies) are not allowed to be endorsed by govt.

    And if both sides cannot agree, why can't beliefs on both sides be treated
    equally as free choice of expressions and practice under "free exercise of religion"
    and keep govt out of it altogether. Only where people AGREE to include beliefs
    or practices in govt policy can these be made public law, and if they don't agree,
    then remove that from govt so that policies remain neutral.

    I don't agree that adding a third gender such as X is neutral but is establishing biased beliefs.
    So if LGBT beliefs and policies are going to be endorsed by govt,
    why not have an agreement to let Christian beliefs, practices and expressions be incorporated in govt?

    Otherwise I argue that NYcarbineer is discriminating by creed, as much as the opponents
    criticized for the same! Two wrongs don't make that right.

    Isn't it equally biased and discriminatory to impose LGBT beliefs through govt
    as it would be to incorporate Christian beliefs and expressions that are equally faith based
    and a matter of "cultural preference" and "relative choice of identity."

    Is NYcarbineer's argument for "equal inclusion" or going TOO FAR and imposing
    faith-based beliefs and "cultural preferences" through GOVT in violation of beliefs opposed to them?
     
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    California: There are three genders.

    Dear NYcarbineer there are already two threads, where
    I bring up this angle, of comparing transgender identity
    with multiple personalities.Which thread do you want to
    discuss this on? Or do we need to start a new one, just on this approach:
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    Okay NYcarbineer let's explore this "differences in the brain" avenue.

    Look at cases like this:
    NEW FOCUS ON MULTIPLE PERSONALITY
    where researchers find differences in the brain function with different personalities within the same physical person

    If all these differences in the brain distinguish different IDENTITIES
    are you willing to argue that each IDENTITY within the same physical body
    each deserve a separate govt ID? Do you go by BRAIN identity or by
    the physical birth of the person as one individual? Are such MPD people
    still ONE person by physical birth, or do each of their personality/identities
    that can be distinguished as UNIQUE ENTITIES deserve separate recognition?

    Do you want to try that approach, for discussion purposes?

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    Thank you NYcarbineer
    Please reply HERE or let me know if you prefer a new thread
    to discuss differences between transgender identity and multiple personalities within the same person
     
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