NY-23 Facts

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    Since there seems to be a lot of spin (the nice word for lies) coming out of the GOP today about the epic Hoffman loss, here are the facts.

    - Hoffman had leads according to two different polls on the final days of polling: Polls: Doug Hoffman leads in New York 23 - Josh Kraushaar - POLITICO.com

    - Hoffman was basically an unknown, but he was far from "underfunded." His campaign was funded in large part by Club for Growth, which donated nearly 100k all by itself. He also received large contributions and support from nation GOP figures, most of which have been talked about ad nausem.

    - Hoffman was supported by a national movement, Owens was supported primarily by people within his district. More than 95% of Hoffman's money came from outside NY-23. 2010 Transaction Detail
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    - The District had been held by the GOP for more than 100 years

    - The RNC came in with a major ad buy on behalf of Hoffman that is not yet noted in any sort of donation group. Furthermore, Hoffman is likely to have raised hundreds of thousands in the waining days of the campaign. Owens fundraising lead was liekly narrowed or completely eliminated.

    - No matter your spin, it is a big loss.
     
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    You go to great lengths to indicate it was a local election.

    How then is it a "big loss"? :eusa_whistle:

    It is one among 435 seats.

    The Republicans took 2 of 50 governorships last night.

    The NY23 winner represented about 65000 votes.

    Each of the Virginia and New Jersey Republican winners represented well over a million votes respectively.


    There was a big loss last night - for the current liberalized Democrat Party...
     
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    Actually it was the conservatives losing a conservative seat despite a national campaign. Is it big in the scheme of things? Of course not, it is one seat. It was the one race last night that was actually about national policy instead of statewide personalities.
     
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    When did Hoffman enter the race...like a month to six weeks ago?

    In that time he overran the establishment republican candidate and damn near won the election.

    The big losers here are Michael Steele and Bobby "the Weasel" Heen...er Gingrich.
     
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    August 7th. Two weeks after Scozzawhateverthehellhernameis.
     
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    Also that was three days before Owens got into the race FYI.
     
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    I would remind you Corzine was once a Senator and then became a governor. Why? Because there is far more direct power and influence. The governorship victories are far more substantial to the national political momentum than one special election seat in upstate New York that will see another election next year. If Hoffman had won NY23 it would have been a remarkable - near miraculous accomplishment. The fact he came so close is a testament to the resurgence of the conservative base.

    There will be more and more Dems now turning to the center and away from Obama/Pelosi with 2010 hanging over them - and that is a good thing for America...
     
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    O.K...Two months ago, after Scuzzy was basically appointed the candidate by party insiders.

    Given that and the party money that flowed into the district, only to have their candidate get her ass kicked in the polling, Hoffman's result is no mean feat.
     
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    No, they are far more powerful as far as state momentum goes. Hell, Virginia actually has an interesting record of voting in the opposite party from the President. I think we all can agree that Mark Warner's and Jim McGreevy's elections in 2001 didn't exactly set the table for a Democratic Sweep in 2002...

    If Hoffman had won NY23, it would have been status quo. By the end he had as much money and national support as Owens. Actually more. I don't recall VP candidates, Governors and Senators from around the country stumping and fundraising for Owens...

    Owens is the miracle.
     
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    Conservatives do not consider the Republican who withdrew a conservative. NATIONAL conservative campaign for this office? It is comments like this that tell me the big parties don't understand what happened here.
     

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