Nuclear Fusion (Endless and Clean Energy Source)

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    Good for you, but they have the same degrees and have already passed several tests over the years as they proceed to the next step. They know it is a complicated project which is why they are doing it the slow way step by step.

    They have ALREADY created fusion in the lab, which means they are on the way.
     
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    OKAY. ONE LAST TIME. It don't mean shit because it took them MUCH MORE energy to cause the reaction than they got out of it! They are on their way NO WHERE. Might as well say you have a car that gets you an inch of the way to your destination miles away that took more work to move than if you JUST WALKED.

    We might solve the problem in CENTURIES.
     
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    It is clear you didn't read the results and watch the video of them doing it.

    You are talking about standard Neutronic Fusion which probably NEVER work, I am talking about ANEUTRONIC fusion.

    Here is a simple statement of the difference:

    Aneutronic Fusion
    There are two different types of fusion reactions, depending on what products are generated by the reaction. In neutronic fusion, one of the products is a neutron, while the others are charged nuclei. In aneutronic fusion, all the products are charged nuclei—no neutrons are produced.

    Most fusion energy research involves neutronic fusion, with the fuel being two isotopes of hydrogen—deuterium and tritium. This fuel was chosen because it reacts—burns—at the lowest temperatures of any fusion fuel, so was thought to be the easiest one to use. But neutronic fusion has two strong disadvantages. Neutrons can produce some radioactive waste, although much less than from fission. They also can destroy the reactor structures over time. Second, the only way we know of getting energy out of neutrons is by using them to generate heat. So if you use energy to heat something up we are stuck with the way we have produced electricity since Thomas Edison invented the light bulb. We use heat to boil water, to produce steam, to turn a turbine, to turn a generator. All of which is very expensive and wasteful of energy at every step. More on neutronic fusion

    Aneutronic fusion, producing only charged nuclei as products eliminates these disadvantages. Without neutrons, there is no radioactive waste. Since the energy output is now in the form of the motion of charged particles, and moving charged particles are electricity, energy can be obtained by direct conversion—much cheaper than turbines and generators. Aneutronic fusion is the only energy source we know that is potentially both much cleaner than other energy sources and much cheaper.

    The best fuel for aneutronic fusion is a mixture of hydrogen with boron. This fuel is also known as pB11, from the scientific symbols for the ingredients. When the hydrogen nucleus—a single proton(p) —and the boron-11 (B11) nucleus come together at high temperature, they react to form three helium nuclei—and a lot of energy.

    This fuel is essentially inexhaustible. Hydrogen of course comes from water and the amount of boron mined right now is 10 times as much as would be needed to replace ALL existing energy sources with aneutronic fusion. Boron is also the 12th most abundant element in seawater. The boron in the oceans would provide enough fuel for billions of years of energy consumption at triple the present level.
     
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    Unfortunate for the author that he doesn't understand that Edison did NOT invent the light bulb! Just as Marconi didn't actually invent radio.


    Moving particles are also heat. So the aneutronic process is essentially magnetohydrodynamic in nature whereby the heat generated becomes largely a waste product (or at least a secondary product) and the electric field produced by the charged output to be transformer-coupled to a load after the required energy is subtracted off the top needed to put back into sustaining the process.

    That last part is the big hitch, still one of the two big problems in making the process viable. It takes a LOT of power to initiate much less sustain the aneutronic process, clean or otherwise.
     
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    Closer to 50 years now. Would like to see it happen, but bet that it will take much longer than we have already been at it.
     
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    Well now, if you truly believe that, I assume that you have a solar setup, with a large battery back up and drive EV's. That would make you independent of the nefarious schemes of these people. LOL
     
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    Science and economics eludes the the gullible.
     
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    Look, we already have a tame fusion reactor. That big yellow thing in the sky. All we have to do is harvest what it sends to us daily. We can do that in two ways that result in no pollution, solar and wind. Both are now the cheapest forms of energy available. Both are scalable, especially solar. India, China, and, now, even Mexico, are putting in gigawatt installations that will produce electricity cheaper than it has ever been produced before.
     
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    Yeah, sure, I'll just use my magic wand and presto that into existence.
     
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    LOL Why don't you wave your magic wand and conjure up a brain for yourself?
     

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