November 11th....And A Question

[Moonglow]

the Mayflower Compact, ....the very first basis for written law in the new world!

The
compact that used collectivism to survive.

Isn't it wild that people like PC would use the example of the Pilgrims, who were Christians persecuted by another variety of Christians,

to make the case that we are a Christian nation?

In name of the Christian God the Separatists were mercilessly tyrannized, terrorized, and murdered,

and PC wants this nation to be governed in the name of the Christian God.

No we need to be in the frame of mind that the pilgrims enjoyed, whipping and hanging baptist cause they were extremist.

 

[NYcarbineer]

the Mayflower Compact, ....the very first basis for written law in the new world!

The
compact that used collectivism to survive.

Odd that the handouts they received from the Indians didn't make them permanently dependent on the Indians,

in keeping with the conservative view of aiding the Poor.

 

[PoliticalChic]

the Mayflower Compact, ....the very first basis for written law in the new world!

The
compact that used collectivism to survive.

Once again you give an example of an education rife with gaps.


Socialism was an abject failure.....are you sensitive to that phrase?....

...starvation was on the horizon, until Governor Bradford turned to the most successful economic plan ever extant: capitalism.


"William Bradford noted in his "History of Plymouth Plantation" that once he canceled the pilgrims' socialistic experiment and provided each settler with a piece of property to till, starvation was averted. We can hope and pray that Raul Castro continues to implement more capitalistic policies and will learn firsthand the economic system that has brought more people out of poverty than any other in the history of the world. (See Rodney Stark, "The Victory of Reason.")"
Barack Obama?s ?Red? spiritual adviser



You really should be paying me for this education!

 

[Moonglow]

the Mayflower Compact, ....the very first basis for written law in the new world!

The
compact that used collectivism to survive.

Odd that the handouts they received from the Indians didn't make them permanently dependent on the Indians,

in keeping with the conservative view of aiding the Poor.

But they were conservative liberals in a new land.

 

[Moonglow]

the Mayflower Compact, ....the very first basis for written law in the new world!

The
compact that used collectivism to survive.

Once again you give an example of an education rife with gaps.


Socialism was an abject failure.....are you sensitive to that phrase?....

...starvation was on the horizon, until Governor Bradford turned to the most successful economic plan ever extant: capitalism.


"William Bradford noted in his "History of Plymouth Plantation" that once he canceled the pilgrims' socialistic experiment and provided each settler with a piece of property to till, starvation was averted. We can hope and pray that Raul Castro continues to implement more capitalistic policies and will learn firsthand the economic system that has brought more people out of poverty than any other in the history of the world. (See Rodney Stark, "The Victory of Reason.")"
Barack Obama?s ?Red? spiritual adviser



You really should be paying me for this education!

Ha!, no thanks.

If I need a blind person to lead the blind, I'll let you know.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The
compact that used collectivism to survive.

Isn't it wild that people like PC would use the example of the Pilgrims, who were Christians persecuted by another variety of Christians,

to make the case that we are a Christian nation?

In name of the Christian God the Separatists were mercilessly tyrannized, terrorized, and murdered,

and PC wants this nation to be governed in the name of the Christian God.

No we need to be in the frame of mind that the pilgrims enjoyed, whipping and hanging baptist cause they were extremist.

Most other amusements were banned in the puritanical environment of the Massachusetts colony.

 

[Moonglow]

the Mayflower Compact, ....the very first basis for written law in the new world!

The
compact that used collectivism to survive.

Once again you give an example of an education rife with gaps.


Socialism was an abject failure.....are you sensitive to that phrase?....

...starvation was on the horizon, until Governor Bradford turned to the most successful economic plan ever extant: capitalism.


"William Bradford noted in his "History of Plymouth Plantation" that once he canceled the pilgrims' socialistic experiment and provided each settler with a piece of property to till, starvation was averted. We can hope and pray that Raul Castro continues to implement more capitalistic policies and will learn firsthand the economic system that has brought more people out of poverty than any other in the history of the world. (See Rodney Stark, "The Victory of Reason.")"
Barack Obama?s ?Red? spiritual adviser



You really should be paying me for this education!

By who's authority did this piece of land come from?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The
compact that used collectivism to survive.

Once again you give an example of an education rife with gaps.


Socialism was an abject failure.....are you sensitive to that phrase?....

...starvation was on the horizon, until Governor Bradford turned to the most successful economic plan ever extant: capitalism.


"William Bradford noted in his "History of Plymouth Plantation" that once he canceled the pilgrims' socialistic experiment and provided each settler with a piece of property to till, starvation was averted. We can hope and pray that Raul Castro continues to implement more capitalistic policies and will learn firsthand the economic system that has brought more people out of poverty than any other in the history of the world. (See Rodney Stark, "The Victory of Reason.")"
Barack Obama?s ?Red? spiritual adviser



You really should be paying me for this education!

Ha!, no thanks.

If I need a blind person to lead the blind, I'll let you know.

Blind leading the blind?

Some equivalence between us?
In your dreams.


There is an ancient saying that has moment, here, in our relationship. It applies to my teaching you:

"A fool, though in the company of the wise, understands nothing of the doctrine being discussed, as a spoon tastes not the flavor of the soup."

 

[Moonglow]

Once again you give an example of an education rife with gaps.


Socialism was an abject failure.....are you sensitive to that phrase?....

...starvation was on the horizon, until Governor Bradford turned to the most successful economic plan ever extant: capitalism.


"William Bradford noted in his "History of Plymouth Plantation" that once he canceled the pilgrims' socialistic experiment and provided each settler with a piece of property to till, starvation was averted. We can hope and pray that Raul Castro continues to implement more capitalistic policies and will learn firsthand the economic system that has brought more people out of poverty than any other in the history of the world. (See Rodney Stark, "The Victory of Reason.")"
Barack Obama?s ?Red? spiritual adviser



You really should be paying me for this education!

Ha!, no thanks.

If I need a blind person to lead the blind, I'll let you know.

Blind leading the blind?

Some equivalence between us?
In your dreams.


There is an ancient saying that has moment, here, in our relationship. It applies to my teaching you:

"A fool, though in the company of the wise, understands nothing of the doctrine being discussed, as a spoon tastes not the flavor of the soup."

If I thought you wise it may be a logical assumption, but that is not the case. You clearly regurgitate and reiterate the same tired biased and prejudicial articles and assumptions. Therefore you are in a rut and can't think out side your box.
Remember it was religious and non-religious organizations throughout the history of the US that tried to settle Utopian societies.....Socialism is nothing new, why it was around before there was a name for it.Capitalism has failed, socialism, utopian, they all have failed at a long term policy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

the Mayflower Compact, ....the very first basis for written law in the new world!

The
compact that used collectivism to survive.

Once again you give an example of an education rife with gaps.


Socialism was an abject failure.....are you sensitive to that phrase?....

...starvation was on the horizon, until Governor Bradford turned to the most successful economic plan ever extant: capitalism.


"William Bradford noted in his "History of Plymouth Plantation" that once he canceled the pilgrims' socialistic experiment and provided each settler with a piece of property to till, starvation was averted. We can hope and pray that Raul Castro continues to implement more capitalistic policies and will learn firsthand the economic system that has brought more people out of poverty than any other in the history of the world. (See Rodney Stark, "The Victory of Reason.")"
Barack Obama?s ?Red? spiritual adviser



You really should be paying me for this education!

The Indians that saved the Pilgrims came from a culture rooted in socialism.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The
compact that used collectivism to survive.

Once again you give an example of an education rife with gaps.


Socialism was an abject failure.....are you sensitive to that phrase?....

...starvation was on the horizon, until Governor Bradford turned to the most successful economic plan ever extant: capitalism.


"William Bradford noted in his "History of Plymouth Plantation" that once he canceled the pilgrims' socialistic experiment and provided each settler with a piece of property to till, starvation was averted. We can hope and pray that Raul Castro continues to implement more capitalistic policies and will learn firsthand the economic system that has brought more people out of poverty than any other in the history of the world. (See Rodney Stark, "The Victory of Reason.")"
Barack Obama?s ?Red? spiritual adviser



You really should be paying me for this education!

By who's authority did this piece of land come from?

American exceptionalism.

 

[Wry Catcher]

1. When it was learned that the Mayflower was landing in New England, and not at the
Hudson River, as specified in their patent, there was great dissension between the Separatists (Pilgrims) and the Strangers.

But it was agreed that the only way for the settlement to succeed was if everyone worked together, and that before they landed everyone had to sign a formal and binding agreement. Therefore they hammered out the Mayflower Compact, ....the very first basis for written law in the new world!

"In the name of God, Amen.
We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia;

do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.

In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620."

A study in 2002 found that almost 10% of the population of America can trace their ancestry back to the Mayflower.






2. On November 11, 1921, the unknown soldier brought back from France was interred inside a three-level marble tomb. The Unknown Soldier of WWI buried at Arlington under the following:
HERE RESTS IN HONORED GLORY AN AMERICAN SOLDIER KNOWN BUT TO GOD
The Tomb of the Unknowns is dedicated by US President Warren G. Harding at Arlington National Cemetery.






3. Franklin Delano Roosevelt selected as his first Supreme Court Justice, the anti-Catholic former Ku Klux Klan member, Hugo Black.
Justice Black was the force behind the Everson v. Board of Education decision, which included ‘The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state.'

One wonders how FDR and Justice Black would have viewed items #1 and #2 above.

Hugo Black and the KKK

From the link, above:
"However, Black's affiliation with the Ku Klux Klan was ephemeral and irrelevant to his political career. After becoming a member of the Klan on September 13, 1923, he marched in a few parades and spoke in meetings. His speeches were mainly on liberty, and he stressed to the more belligerent members of the Klan that it should be a law-abiding organization; thus, he emphasized, activities such as whipping should not be tolerated. Even the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan clarified that Black was neither a Klansman nor a sympathizer. Nonetheless, in September and October, Black's KKK involvement hung like a shadow over Roosevelt. Black admitted that although he had indeed been a member, his membership was short and trifling, and he did not consider himself a Klansman. Black's resolute statement regarding his involvement, as well as the public's fear of war commencing in Japan took the spotlight off Justice Black. The controversy soon subsided as the War Scare overshadowed FDR's domestic problems.

"Despite the initial concern over Black's troubling history as a Klan member, his service as Justice proved he was the antithesis of a bigot. He rejected the attempts of states to impede federal legislation in labor relations, racial segregation, and wartime peace. His service proved that he was, in fact, a champion of minority rights, further dispelling the notion that he was, even if just for a moment, a Klansman. Black retired in 1971 after a long and impressive career as a United States Supreme Court Justice, indeed a great mind after all."

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. When it was learned that the Mayflower was landing in New England, and not at the
Hudson River, as specified in their patent, there was great dissension between the Separatists (Pilgrims) and the Strangers.

But it was agreed that the only way for the settlement to succeed was if everyone worked together, and that before they landed everyone had to sign a formal and binding agreement. Therefore they hammered out the Mayflower Compact, ....the very first basis for written law in the new world!

"In the name of God, Amen.
We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia;

do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.

In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620."

A study in 2002 found that almost 10% of the population of America can trace their ancestry back to the Mayflower.






2. On November 11, 1921, the unknown soldier brought back from France was interred inside a three-level marble tomb. The Unknown Soldier of WWI buried at Arlington under the following:
HERE RESTS IN HONORED GLORY AN AMERICAN SOLDIER KNOWN BUT TO GOD
The Tomb of the Unknowns is dedicated by US President Warren G. Harding at Arlington National Cemetery.






3. Franklin Delano Roosevelt selected as his first Supreme Court Justice, the anti-Catholic former Ku Klux Klan member, Hugo Black.
Justice Black was the force behind the Everson v. Board of Education decision, which included ‘The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state.'

One wonders how FDR and Justice Black would have viewed items #1 and #2 above.

Hugo Black and the KKK

From the link, above:
"However, Black's affiliation with the Ku Klux Klan was ephemeral and irrelevant to his political career. After becoming a member of the Klan on September 13, 1923, he marched in a few parades and spoke in meetings. His speeches were mainly on liberty, and he stressed to the more belligerent members of the Klan that it should be a law-abiding organization; thus, he emphasized, activities such as whipping should not be tolerated. Even the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan clarified that Black was neither a Klansman nor a sympathizer. Nonetheless, in September and October, Black's KKK involvement hung like a shadow over Roosevelt. Black admitted that although he had indeed been a member, his membership was short and trifling, and he did not consider himself a Klansman. Black's resolute statement regarding his involvement, as well as the public's fear of war commencing in Japan took the spotlight off Justice Black. The controversy soon subsided as the War Scare overshadowed FDR's domestic problems.

"Despite the initial concern over Black's troubling history as a Klan member, his service as Justice proved he was the antithesis of a bigot. He rejected the attempts of states to impede federal legislation in labor relations, racial segregation, and wartime peace. His service proved that he was, in fact, a champion of minority rights, further dispelling the notion that he was, even if just for a moment, a Klansman. Black retired in 1971 after a long and impressive career as a United States Supreme Court Justice, indeed a great mind after all."

Clearly your attempt to be an apologist for Black, and for FDR, fails due to the mixed message in your selection.
As in:
[BEven the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan clarified that Black was neither a Klansman nor a sympathizer. Nonetheless, in September and October, Black's KKK involvement hung like a shadow over Roosevelt. Black admitted that although he had indeed been a member, his membership was short and trifling, and he did not consider himself a Klansman[/B].


"Black was neither a Klansman nor a sympathizer."

but...

"Black admitted that although he had indeed been a member,..."




Then there's this....from your link:

"Black Admits Klan Link, Denies Intolerance." Scholastic October 16, 1937: 14."




And, Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
Egnorance: Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"




This is where you can simply say "Check please!"....or 'Never mind."

 

[gipper]

The
compact that used collectivism to survive.

Once again you give an example of an education rife with gaps.


Socialism was an abject failure.....are you sensitive to that phrase?....

...starvation was on the horizon, until Governor Bradford turned to the most successful economic plan ever extant: capitalism.


"William Bradford noted in his "History of Plymouth Plantation" that once he canceled the pilgrims' socialistic experiment and provided each settler with a piece of property to till, starvation was averted. We can hope and pray that Raul Castro continues to implement more capitalistic policies and will learn firsthand the economic system that has brought more people out of poverty than any other in the history of the world. (See Rodney Stark, "The Victory of Reason.")"
Barack Obama?s ?Red? spiritual adviser



You really should be paying me for this education!

The Indians that saved the Pilgrims came from a culture rooted in socialism.

Yeah....if only we could have a culture like the American Indian....oh how wonderful it would be...their culture was SO SUCCESSFUL!

Lets see now, torture, murder, enslavement, cannibalism, and constant warring with one's neighbors. Now that sounds GREAT!

American Christians BAD....American Indians GOOD