No Truce With Terror

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    The Spanish are now realizing that their March 2004 election capitulation to terrorism has not made them safer.

     
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    my take on the Spanish election outcome.

    The conservative government in their first statements blamed the ETa
    a local terrorist separitism group for the attack. Many Spaniards according to my friend who lives in Spain felt they deliberatly deceived the electorate for the upcoming election.

    I don't know what finally motivated the individual voter, but I assume as humans we oppose bully's that are not all that powerful. Terrorism after
    all is the weapon of the military weak.

    If the Us would be hit by another attack before the election there
    are two possible szenarios in my mind. 1) Bush gets the country
    united against the agressors and wins in a landslide
    2) Bush is blamed for his failure to protect the country.

    There are no active terrorist orgs in the US that could initiate
    major attacks like in Spain so it is a weak comparison. But to
    speak up for the Spaniards, I give them the benefit of the doubt
    that in a crisis they do not tend to accomodate the enemy.

    They are quite racist against Islam and Africans so I assume
    the victory of the left had more to do with the feeling of
    deception by the government.
     
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    The emotional side to the brain will override the rational side every time; you will see more examples, of how effective this technique in the future. When other significant events are orchestrated and help to herd the cattle around on the earth.
     
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    You have a cyncial view of the human race.

    But I assume you think you are able to stay above the fray.

    the problem with cynicism is that you give up and resign to the dark
    picture you imagine.
     
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    Spoken like a true Spanish socialist. It was not unreasonable to initially blame ETA for the Madrid bombing. Nothing was hidden from the public by the Spanish government. There was no deception; that's what the socialists and the leftist media wanted you to believe.

    See this thread: http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13532
     
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    I am not enough an insider to judge if the government tried to deceive
    the electorate, I just can express the feeling that many Spaniards had
    that blaming eta was fishy becauce they had never before
    had strike Spain on that scale.

    In the end I think it was wrong for the new socialist government
    to pull out of iraq, thats what the terrorist wanted. Even if the socialist
    promised it, after the attack it was a disgrace to do that.

    I feel it is unjust to call the average Spaniard a coward, they are proud
    people and not cowards in my book
     
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    Today’s political science is proving this; imagery and emotional triggers work better then boring debates. Just look at the GOP’s new wolf ad.
    I’m not above it; I have a better understanding of it. It’s an old art form sometimes referred to as Psyops.
     
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    my point is that if you are able to understand it, so can others,
    and if you tell them some will listen.

    People are not that dumb as some think imo.
     
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    That was not the feeling of the Spanish public until it was whipped up by the Socialists and the leftist media. BTW, unlike the ETA, Islamic terrorists had never previously attacked mainland Spain; only former colonies in North Africa. Thus your observation above makes no sense. The Spanish population shifted 12 points from Anzar to the socialists in less than three days! They voted for the Socialist because of fear.

    The Spanish Government had reason to initially think ETA was resonsible:
    As late as 29 February, eleven days before the bombing, Spanish authorities had arrested two ETA terrorists in connection with 500kg of explosives.

    On the evening of the bombing: "The Spanish government initially blamed the Basque separatist group ETA, which came three days before Spain's general elections, but then seemed to back away after police found detonators and an Arabic-language audio tape of Quranic verses in a van near where the bombed trains originated." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/12/world/main605547.shtml
     
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    nosarcasm, i already lost this argument to onedomino when he showed me the facts. trust me, he's damn near 100% right on this.

    and saying this totally respectfully, not doubting or slandering your intelligence, just telling you he's got the facts, figures and timeline to back his argument up to the fullest. i know, i was proven wrong saying nearly exactly what you said.
     

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