No room for US Navy Bases in Black Sea

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    Russian Navy commander visits Turkey


    MOSCOW, February 22 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's chief naval commander has arrived in Turkey to meet with the country's senior navy officials and attend a joint naval exercise, a Russian delegation official said Friday.

    Admiral Vladimir Masorin will take part in talks on the Turkish operation Black Sea Harmony, visit a naval base at Golcuk, and inspect a Russian naval group that is currently on a visit to Turkey, the official said.

    Black Sea Harmony is a security initiative advanced by Turkey in 2004. The operation is designed to patrol the Bosphorus and Dardanelle straits, shadowing suspicious ships, and is similar to NATO's Operation Active Endeavor in the Mediterranean.

    Turkey, a NATO member, has invited the countries within the Black Sea Naval Cooperation Task Group (Blackseafor - Russia, Georgia, Bulgaria, Romania, and Ukraine) to participate in the operation.

    Established in 1998, also on Turkey's initiative, Blackseafor conducts search and rescue operations, cleans sea mines, monitors the environment, and organizes goodwill visits among Black Sea countries.

    The Russian naval group, consisting of guided missile cruiser Moskva, large amphibious ship Azov and two auxiliary vessels, will participate in a joint exercise for communication and maneuvering at the end of the visit.

    The Russian and Turkish navies conducted a similar exercise in the southwestern part of the Black Sea in July last year.

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060224/43745915.html

    The 1936 signed Montreaux-treaty gives Turkey almost controll of Black Sea.
    Every country must give Turkey Information over Navy Size and weight of ships stationed there.

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    US wants to establich Navy Base in Romania, but this is restricted by Montreaux-Treaty.
    US ships only have the right to be in Black Sea for 21 days. After this period they must leave. The weight sum of USA for exapmle has to be under 20.000 Tonnes of weight.
    Also US subs or heavy war-ships are restricted to enter Black sea from Bosphorus.


    Turkey participates in NATO's "Active endaveur" which ranges from Gibraltar to east Mediteranian sea. USA pressures Turkey to expand this maneuver on to Black Sea. Turkey refuses.
    Also with non-cancelation of Montreaux Treaty there will be no US Navy Bases in Black Sea for example in Romania or Bulgaria beacuse Montreaux Treaty restricts such things for external non-Black-Sea countries.


    Now with visit of Russian navy chief in Turkey and establishing of "Active endevour"-alike with Russia in Black Sea, Russia and Turkey renewed policy of No USA in and around Black Sea.
     
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    Okay! :)
     
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    easy fix.

    set up a contract with Romania and an American private military firm to augment and upgrade the Romanian Navy, which can be done in about 5-7 years with a good-sized contract with a wide scope for reform and rehab.

    Turkey likes to play hardball now, just wait until Iraq splits and we have an independent Kurdistan.
     
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    - Turk, be proud, work hard, fear nobody -
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    - The strength you need is in your noble blood within your veins -
    Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
     
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    not to knock Turkey, but if they want to piss on their friendship with America, then so be it. We can't stop your Islamist leaders from ruining a decades-long positive relationship because our President and his staff made a key mistake in the run up to the Iraq war.
     
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    - The strength you need is in your noble blood within your veins -
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    Yes friendship preching is one thing, friendship acting is another thing....
    No cuddle-snuggle anymore even not by pro USA Turks or pro-Turkey Americans. Things are as they are.


    You harbour and save Anti-Turkish terrorists, we have 1. the power
    http://www.strategypage.com/fyeo/howtomakewar/databases/armies/e.asp

    and 2. the sympathy of all Turks worldwide in Azerbaycan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Iran-Azeris, Chinese-Uyghurs, Uzbekistan and Kirgizistan.

    to achieve our interests.


    http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/turkey_0.htm

    Hope that the day Turks cross boarder, and US tries to stop Turks, will never come. If so, Turks will make US-public wish days back where US was not in Mid-East.
    We will kill all our Terrorists and them who think it is a good idea to stand on Anti-Turkish terrorist side, be it black yellow white or from Moon.





    Turkish veteran carrying 300 kg bomb in Gallipoli
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    http://www.gallipolidigger.com/
    http://www.korean-war.com/turkey.html


    Tells me of friendship, easy to talk when it is not your people dying and you sit and watch and talk of friendship...
    byebye, especially to Dilloduck and Said1. The "islamo-fascist citizen" is out and will not return.
     
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    How about addressing your issues with the Kurds in N. Iraq?
     
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    I think you should reconsider your departure. Maybe Nato's words won't seem so harsh in the morning.
     
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    I didn't intend to be harsh, just realistic.

    Turkey's leadership is needlessly antagonizing Americans.

    I understand that the Bush Administration made a dreadful error in how they treated both Turkey's democracy and Turkey's interests in the run-up to the Iraq war. Our diplomacy was utterly incompetent and embarassing, proof of how far our diplomats have fallen in recent years as leftist idealogy and neoconservative idealogy has destroyed a once solid core from within.

    I also encourage Turkey to be an international power, to assume its role as a leader in the Middle East. But to be a great power does not mean to ruin relationships with friends like the US, even if they have made dreadful errors in policy making.

    Turkey could be a moderate Islamic power compared to Wahabbi Saudi and Shiite Iran, spreading its positive influence throughout Central Asia, North Africa and the Middle East.

    As noted, Turks are everywhere in the world, with the Turkish disapora one of the most impressive and educated. What was once a great civilization can and should be again.
     
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    I didn't think you were being harsh.

    You're right though, the potential is there.
     

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