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It appears that Israel and its right wing coalition will again snub peace with the Arab world's offer for a comprehensive peace. The question is why? The answer is that peace would stop the expropriation of more Arab lands and she will never share E. Jerusalem.

Until the Israeli people change their government to moderate peacemakers, the undeclared wars will continue.


http://news.yahoo.com/critics-assail-israeli-silence-arab-peace-plan-061720368.html
JERUSALEM (AP) — On the surface, the Arab League's improved peace initiative offers Israel everything it ever dreamed of — normal relations with an entire region that has long objected to the very existence of the Jewish state, and even the chance to keep some war-won land.

But two weeks after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry persuaded Arab leaders to reissue their 2002 offer with new incentives, Israel is maintaining a striking silence, and critics are accusing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of missing a historic chance.

"We are speaking of an opportunity that must be seized to renew the diplomatic process," former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told The Associated Press in a statement. "It's a very important development."

When it was first issued in 2002, the initiative was a breakthrough. It countered the Arab League's famous "Three No's" that followed the 1967 Mideast war, when Israel captured the West Bank and east Jerusalem from Jordan, the Sinai Peninsula and Gaza Strip from Egypt and the Golan Heights from Syria. At a summit in Khartoum, Sudan, the Arab countries passed a resolution saying no peace, recognition or negotiations with Israel.

The 2002 initiative, endorsed by the Arab League and the 57-member Organization of Islamic Cooperation, offered Israel normalized relations in exchange for a full withdrawal from territories captured in 1967. However, it was overshadowed by Israeli-Palestinian fighting and was greeted with skepticism by Israel.

Now the initiative has gained new life thanks to interest from Kerry, who has been trying to restart peace talks between Israeli and the Palestinians, frozen since 2008. Palestinians refuse to talk unless Israel stops construction of settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem. Netanyahu calls for talks with no preconditions.

In a significant breakthrough, Kerry last month persuaded the Arab League not only to renew its peace initiative, but to sweeten it by saying the final borders between Israel and a future Palestine could be modified from the 1967 lines through agreed land swaps. This small but significant amendment could open the way for Israel to keep some of its Jewish settlements as well as holy sites in east Jerusalem.
....Netanyahu has not spelled out his vision beyond grudgingly endorsing the idea of a Palestinian state while rejecting division of Jerusalem. Many of his backers say that managing the conflict, not resolving it, is the best anyone can hope for now. They also question the merits of returning land to Syria, which is embroiled in a bloody civil war, or engaging other Arab countries at a time of regional turmoil.Deputy Israeli Defense Minister Danny Danon, a senior member of Netanyahu's Likud Party, said he did not consider the Arab peace initiative a significant achievement.

"Going back to the 1967 lines and dividing Jerusalem is not the will of a majority of Israelis," Danon said.

In his comments to the AP, Olmert stopped short of criticizing Netanyahu, though in a TV interview earlier this month he called on the Israeli leader to "stop making excuses" and seize the initiative...


...Danny Yatom, a former director of the Mossad spy agency, called Netanyahu's silence a "mistake."

Yatom said actually implementing the Arab peace plan at the current time is impossible given the many changes rocking the Middle East, but embracing it could bring many benefits by helping to "strengthen and cement mutual trust." Firm Arab support could encourage the Palestinians to make concessions and also lead to breakthroughs in Israel's relations with Arab countries, he said.

"It will help. It will pave the way," he said.
 
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Apparently, there's more money to be made in pipelines than in peace:

"The 2006 War on Lebanon

"The historical background of these recent events should be understood. In 2006, Lebanon was bombed by the Israeli Air Force. Israeli troops crossed the border and were repealed by Hezbollah forces.

"The 2006 war on Lebanon was part of a carefully planned and coordinated military road map. The extension of the 2006 war on Lebanon into Syria had been contemplated by US and Israeli military planners.

"This broader 2006 military agenda was intimately related to strategic oil and oil pipelines. It was supported by the Western oil giants which control the pipeline corridors."

There are three maps on pages 5-7 of this link that show exactly why Israel can never afford peace.
The borders of major Arab and Persian states are being redrawn for the early 21st Century.
"Free" Kurdistan will be the major talking point.
It is all just another lie the Rich tell.
 
Apparently, there's more money to be made in pipelines than in peace:

"The 2006 War on Lebanon

"The historical background of these recent events should be understood. In 2006, Lebanon was bombed by the Israeli Air Force. Israeli troops crossed the border and were repealed by Hezbollah forces.

"The 2006 war on Lebanon was part of a carefully planned and coordinated military road map. The extension of the 2006 war on Lebanon into Syria had been contemplated by US and Israeli military planners.

"This broader 2006 military agenda was intimately related to strategic oil and oil pipelines. It was supported by the Western oil giants which control the pipeline corridors."

There are three maps on pages 5-7 of this link that show exactly why Israel can never afford peace.
The borders of major Arab and Persian states are being redrawn for the early 21st Century.
"Free" Kurdistan will be the major talking point.
It is all just another lie the Rich tell.
The PNAC Neo-Cons are the ones who convinced GWB and Netanyahu that the Arab Spring was needed to rid all Arab Dictators and thought that Democracies would help Israel and the American Oil Companies...

From what I've seen the Democracies thus far are Islamic in nature and are no friend to the USA or Israel.
 
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Apparently, there's more money to be made in pipelines than in peace:

"The 2006 War on Lebanon

"The historical background of these recent events should be understood. In 2006, Lebanon was bombed by the Israeli Air Force. Israeli troops crossed the border and were repealed by Hezbollah forces.

"The 2006 war on Lebanon was part of a carefully planned and coordinated military road map. The extension of the 2006 war on Lebanon into Syria had been contemplated by US and Israeli military planners.

"This broader 2006 military agenda was intimately related to strategic oil and oil pipelines. It was supported by the Western oil giants which control the pipeline corridors."

There are three maps on pages 5-7 of this link that show exactly why Israel can never afford peace.
The borders of major Arab and Persian states are being redrawn for the early 21st Century.
"Free" Kurdistan will be the major talking point.
It is all just another lie the Rich tell.
The PNAC Neo-Cons are the ones who convinced GWB and Netanyahu that the Arab Spring was needed to rid all Arab Dictators and thought that Democracies would help Israel and the American Oil Companies...

From what I've seen the Democracies thus far are Islamic in nature and are no friend to the USA or Israel.
I wonder if Phillip can prove to us his statement as follows:
"The PNAC Neo-Cons are the ones who convinced GWB and Netanyahu that the Arab Spring was needed to rid all Arab Dictators and thought that Democracies would help Israel and the American Oil Companies."

I on the other hand feel that once this Arab Spring got started, it kept on rolling on because there were people in these different countries who actually wanted to get rid of the dictators and instead wanted a democracy. It's a shame, though that the Islamists seem to be taking over, and the people hoping for a democracy in their individual countries might never see it.. If Phillip is so hot to blame the Jews as per usual, maybe he should blame it on the Jews who are responsible for the Internet sites like Facebook or Google that gave these Muslims hoping for a democracy a way to see what was happening in other Middle East countries and to communicate with each other rapidly.
 
Thirteen years ago Arafat rejected a plan that would have given him an independent state with its capital in east Jerusalem. Later that year, he rejected an even better offer. Why should we give a shit now? Peace is not what they wanted then and it's not what they want now. They want it all, including the Jews gone...
 
If the price of peace is giving back Jerusalem, giving back the Golan Heights, and returning to pre-1967 borders, and conceding a Right of Return, then, the price is too high.

But those Arab League scheiss-meisters knew that before they even served-up the proposal.

Dog bites man... nothing new... nothing to see here... next slide, please... ;-)
 
Thirteen years ago Arafat rejected a plan that would have given him an independent state with its capital in east Jerusalem. Later that year, he rejected an even better offer. Why should we give a shit now? Peace is not what they wanted then and it's not what they want now. They want it all, including the Jews gone...
Jerusalem can be Internationalized or dual Sovereignty...Right of return should Only apply to uniting families... Land swaps are viable to settle settlements...The Golan can and should be given back or the Jihadist will see it as an occupation.

I think the Palestinians don't want more than I've stated, and their application for Statehood at the UN reflects that.
 
It appears that Israel and its right wing coalition will again snub peace with the Arab world's offer for a comprehensive peace. The question is why? The answer is that peace would stop the expropriation of more Arab lands and she will never share E. Jerusalem.

Until the Israeli people change their government to moderate peacemakers, the undeclared wars will continue.


Are the " 67 Borders" sharing E. Jerusalem? Israel will never go back to "borders" that were never recognized or respected in the first place


Abbas demands two-state map from Netanyahu: aide

April 05, 2013 04:44 PM


Agence France Presse



Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas reviews the Jordanian royal honour guard upon his arrival for a meeting with Jordan's King at the Royal Palace on March 31, 2013 in Amman. AFP PHOTO KHALIL MAZRAAWI
Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas reviews the Jordanian royal honour guard upon his arrival for a meeting with Jordan's King at the Royal Palace on March 31, 2013 in Amman. AFP PHOTO KHALIL MAZRAAWI




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RAMALLAH, Palestinian Territories: Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas has demanded that Israel's prime minister present a map for a future Palestinian state before any peace talks can resume, an aide said on Friday.

Abbas "wants to know, through a map to be presented by Benjamin Netanyahu to (US Secretary of State John) Kerry, what the prime minister's view of a two-state solution would be, especially the borders," political adviser Nimr Hammad told AFP.

The remarks came just days ahead of a visit by Kerry, who will hold fortnightly meetings with Israeli and Palestinian leaders, local media say, as he tries to revive the stalled peace process.

"Any return to negotiations requires Netanyahu to agree on 1967 borders," Hammad said.

Abbas has insisted that participation be conditioned on using the lines that existed before the 1967 Six-Day War as the basis for negotiating future borders.

Abbas also repeated to Barack Obama ,on his first visit to the region as US president in March, that a halt to Israeli settlement building in the Palestinian territories was a precondition for any peace talks.


Abbas demands two-state map from Netanyahu: aide | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR

Until the Palestinians elect moderate peace makers who do not insist on those Borders and ' Right of Return" there will never be a " palestinian state" and the wars will continue
 
"I think the Palestinians don't want more than I've stated, and their application for Statehood at the UN reflects that."

"palestinians --- application --- statehood"

Name: al el Mohammad

Age: 24

Present
Position:
Head Terrorist

Previous
Position:
Training Camp Counselor (Pakistan, Afghan, Somalia, Horn of Africa)

Affiliation: Hamass, Islamic Jihad, PLO, Interned for Osama Bin Laden

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wouldn't put it past the U.N. Guy saying: ok. you apppprooved

terrorists (HamASS) applying for a statehood and wanting a piece of Jerusalem....

totally makes sense to me !
 
It appears that Israel and its right wing coalition will again snub peace with the Arab world's offer for a comprehensive peace. The question is why? The answer is that peace would stop the expropriation of more Arab lands and she will never share E. Jerusalem.

Until the Israeli people change their government to moderate peacemakers, the undeclared wars will continue.


Are the " 67 Borders" sharing E. Jerusalem? Israel will never go back to "borders" that were never recognized or respected in the first place


Abbas demands two-state map from Netanyahu: aide

April 05, 2013 04:44 PM


Agence France Presse



Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas reviews the Jordanian royal honour guard upon his arrival for a meeting with Jordan's King at the Royal Palace on March 31, 2013 in Amman. AFP PHOTO KHALIL MAZRAAWI
Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas reviews the Jordanian royal honour guard upon his arrival for a meeting with Jordan's King at the Royal Palace on March 31, 2013 in Amman. AFP PHOTO KHALIL MAZRAAWI




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RAMALLAH, Palestinian Territories: Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas has demanded that Israel's prime minister present a map for a future Palestinian state before any peace talks can resume, an aide said on Friday.

Abbas "wants to know, through a map to be presented by Benjamin Netanyahu to (US Secretary of State John) Kerry, what the prime minister's view of a two-state solution would be, especially the borders," political adviser Nimr Hammad told AFP.

The remarks came just days ahead of a visit by Kerry, who will hold fortnightly meetings with Israeli and Palestinian leaders, local media say, as he tries to revive the stalled peace process.

"Any return to negotiations requires Netanyahu to agree on 1967 borders," Hammad said.

Abbas has insisted that participation be conditioned on using the lines that existed before the 1967 Six-Day War as the basis for negotiating future borders.

Abbas also repeated to Barack Obama ,on his first visit to the region as US president in March, that a halt to Israeli settlement building in the Palestinian territories was a precondition for any peace talks.


Abbas demands two-state map from Netanyahu: aide | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR

Until the Palestinians elect moderate peace makers who do not insist on those Borders and ' Right of Return" there will never be a " palestinian state" and the wars will continue
It is in Israel's interests to have a comprehensive peace. Sure Israel is the Superpower of the ME, but as Hezbollah has shown that their rag-tag army can hold back an infantry assault today...The Arabs see this conflict as lasting for hundreds of years. An Islamist was just elected PM of very nuclear armed Pakistan, home of the Taliban...Islamic governments are popping up everywhere...

It took them 300 hundred years to rid the Crusaders...Israel can never defeat 1.4 billion people determined to die for their faith and cause.

A real peace that the Arabs can live with is on the table...Peace will bring trade and recognition and most importantly acceptance of Judaism as a brother Religion as sons of Abraham.
 
It appears that Israel and its right wing coalition will again snub peace with the Arab world's offer for a comprehensive peace. The question is why? The answer is that peace would stop the expropriation of more Arab lands and she will never share E. Jerusalem.

Until the Israeli people change their government to moderate peacemakers, the undeclared wars will continue.


Are the " 67 Borders" sharing E. Jerusalem? Israel will never go back to "borders" that were never recognized or respected in the first place


Abbas demands two-state map from Netanyahu: aide

April 05, 2013 04:44 PM


Agence France Presse



Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas reviews the Jordanian royal honour guard upon his arrival for a meeting with Jordan's King at the Royal Palace on March 31, 2013 in Amman. AFP PHOTO KHALIL MAZRAAWI
Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas reviews the Jordanian royal honour guard upon his arrival for a meeting with Jordan's King at the Royal Palace on March 31, 2013 in Amman. AFP PHOTO KHALIL MAZRAAWI




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RAMALLAH, Palestinian Territories: Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas has demanded that Israel's prime minister present a map for a future Palestinian state before any peace talks can resume, an aide said on Friday.

Abbas "wants to know, through a map to be presented by Benjamin Netanyahu to (US Secretary of State John) Kerry, what the prime minister's view of a two-state solution would be, especially the borders," political adviser Nimr Hammad told AFP.

The remarks came just days ahead of a visit by Kerry, who will hold fortnightly meetings with Israeli and Palestinian leaders, local media say, as he tries to revive the stalled peace process.

"Any return to negotiations requires Netanyahu to agree on 1967 borders," Hammad said.

Abbas has insisted that participation be conditioned on using the lines that existed before the 1967 Six-Day War as the basis for negotiating future borders.

Abbas also repeated to Barack Obama ,on his first visit to the region as US president in March, that a halt to Israeli settlement building in the Palestinian territories was a precondition for any peace talks.


Abbas demands two-state map from Netanyahu: aide | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR

Until the Palestinians elect moderate peace makers who do not insist on those Borders and ' Right of Return" there will never be a " palestinian state" and the wars will continue
It is in Israel's interests to have a comprehensive peace. Sure Israel is the Superpower of the ME, but as Hezbollah has shown that their rag-tag army can hold back an infantry assault today...The Arabs see this conflict as lasting for hundreds of years. An Islamist was just elected PM of very nuclear armed Pakistan, home of the Taliban...Islamic governments are popping up everywhere...

It took them 300 hundred years to rid the Crusaders...Israel can never defeat 1.4 billion people determined to die for their faith and cause.

A real peace that the Arabs can live with is on the table...Peace will bring trade and recognition and most importantly acceptance of Judaism as a brother Religion as sons of Abraham.

You first talk about Israel " sharing E. Jerusalem" When proof is offered that Abbas wants no such thing, you ignore it. What is a " Comphrensive Peace?" Borders that Israel will not even consider. No rights in E. Jerusalem and " Right of Return ?" Not going to happen. When the Palestinians elect someone who is willing to be a true and sincere participant in the Peace Process will there be "peace"
 
Apparently, there's more money to be made in pipelines than in peace:

"The 2006 War on Lebanon

"The historical background of these recent events should be understood. In 2006, Lebanon was bombed by the Israeli Air Force. Israeli troops crossed the border and were repealed by Hezbollah forces.

"The 2006 war on Lebanon was part of a carefully planned and coordinated military road map. The extension of the 2006 war on Lebanon into Syria had been contemplated by US and Israeli military planners.

"This broader 2006 military agenda was intimately related to strategic oil and oil pipelines. It was supported by the Western oil giants which control the pipeline corridors."

There are three maps on pages 5-7 of this link that show exactly why Israel can never afford peace.
The borders of major Arab and Persian states are being redrawn for the early 21st Century.
"Free" Kurdistan will be the major talking point.
It is all just another lie the Rich tell.
The PNAC Neo-Cons are the ones who convinced GWB and Netanyahu that the Arab Spring was needed to rid all Arab Dictators and thought that Democracies would help Israel and the American Oil Companies...

From what I've seen the Democracies thus far are Islamic in nature and are no friend to the USA or Israel.
I think it's more likely the Arab Spring began as a spontaneous struggle for democracy, but was quickly overcome by conservative fundamentalists, i.e., Islamic and neo-cons. It's difficult to assess the credibility of many web sites like this one, but if Sibel Edmonds is correct, the CIA may be funding and training some of the most radical fundamentalist Muslims from Syria to Chechnya:

"Yesterday Washington Post’s Jeff Stein published a very interesting but incomplete story regarding a recently published memoir by former Turkish Intelligence Chief Osman Nuri Gundes. Here is the title of his post: Islamic group is CIA front, ex-Turkish Intel chief says.

"For those of you familiar with my case and what I’ve been covering here at Boiling Frogs Post this exposé is ‘old news’ but nonetheless a vindication.

"As for those who are first-timers here or not that familiar with my case, this is an opportunity for a bit of background and to learn a few important points and facts that you won’t be getting from this ‘half-picture’ presented by the Washington Post.

"In his memoir Gundes claims that Fethullah Gulen’s worldwide Islamic movement based in Pennsylvania has been providing cover for the CIA since the mid-1990s, and that in the 90s, the movement 'sheltered 130 CIA agents' at its schools in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan alone."

Sibel Edmonds' Boiling Frogs Post | Home of the Irate Minority

There are few if any nations on this planet more deserving of their own state than the Kurds.
We'll see what price Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria, and Lebanon pay for the Kurd's "freedom."
 
Israel to authorize four West Bank settler outposts

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel plans to declare legal four unauthorized West Bank settler outposts, a court document showed on Thursday, days before U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry returns to the region to try to restart peace talks.

Israel has been sending mixed signals on its internationally condemned settlement policy as Kerry pursues efforts to revive negotiations Palestinians quit in 2010 in anger over Israeli settlement building on occupied land they seek for a state.

In a reply to a Supreme Court petition by the Israeli anti-settlement group Peace Now, the government said it had taken steps in recent weeks to authorize retroactively four West Bank outposts built without official permission.

Nabil Abu Rdainah, a spokesman of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, condemned the move.

"Israel continues to put obstacles and to sabotage U.S. efforts to resume negotiation," he said. "Our position is clear and that is all settlement is illegal and must be stopped."
 
Israel continues to do what it must, to ensure the survival of its people, and its nation-entity, in the face of decades of warfare and terrorism and genocidal intent directed against it, with respect to the pack of false-dealing, lying curs that it is obliged to deal with.
 
"Most the world deems all Israeli settlements in the West Bank, which Israel captured in the 1967 Middle East war, as illegal.

"Israel disputes this and distinguishes between about 120 government-authorized settlements and dozens of outposts built by settlers without permission.

"Peace Now said in a statement that 'The intention to legalize outposts as new settlements is no less than a slap in the face of Secretary Kerry's new process and is blatant reassurance to settler interests.'

"Last week, Peace Now and Israeli media reports said Netanyahu has been quietly curbing some settlement activity by freezing tenders for new housing projects, in an apparent effort to help the U.S. drive to renew peace talks."

More of the same "creeping annexation" dog and pony show that Zionists have been plundering Palestine with for most of the last century. Possibly, the "chosen people" will choose their eastern border?

Israel to authorize four West Bank settler outposts
 
Israel continues to do what it must, to ensure the survival of its people, and its nation-entity, in the face of decades of warfare and terrorism and genocidal intent directed against it, with respect to the pack of false-dealing, lying curs that it is obliged to deal with.
Golda's worm food and Sharon's brain dead...what lying curs are you confused about?
 
Israel continues to do what it must, to ensure the survival of its people, and its nation-entity, in the face of decades of warfare and terrorism and genocidal intent directed against it, with respect to the pack of false-dealing, lying curs that it is obliged to deal with.
Golda's worm food and Sharon's brain dead...what lying curs are you confused about?
Oh, we're having a history lesson? :popcorn: OK... well, then... I'll call your Golda and Ariel, and bump you a Yassar Arafat and an Abdel Nassar... :lol:
 
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Israel continues to do what it must, to ensure the survival of its people, and its nation-entity, in the face of decades of warfare and terrorism and genocidal intent directed against it, with respect to the pack of false-dealing, lying curs that it is obliged to deal with.
Golda's worm food and Sharon's brain dead...what lying curs are you confused about?
Oh, we're having a history lesson? :popcorn: OK... well, then... I'll call your Golda and Ariel, and bump you a Yassar Arafat and an Abdel Nassar... :lol:
So how many settlements did Abdel and Arafat build inside Israel?
 
Golda's worm food and Sharon's brain dead...what lying curs are you confused about?
Oh, we're having a history lesson? :popcorn: OK... well, then... I'll call your Golda and Ariel, and bump you a Yassar Arafat and an Abdel Nassar... :lol:
So how many settlements did Abdel and Arafat build inside Israel?
Zero.

And the only reason WHY they did not build any settlements inside of Israel is because Israel kicked their asses before they could drive the Israelis into the Mediterranean as the Arabs have been promising for the past 65 years.

Vae victus.

Nature has de-selected the Palestinians as a separate nation.

It's over.

Mop-up and consolidation operations continue.
 
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