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. You think government is controlled by the same clowns each election cycle ? No you don't, but when someone is elected, no one follows up when they don't do their job... Everybody just lets the donor class win, and we the people lose. Might hopefully be different this time, but who knows really... Obamacare was a ruse and an agenda riddled disaster.I would participate in a group plan in that so you could have a great rate on your healthcare in a skinny minute, because I would know that I would get the same in return. Just comes down to who is handling the account, and can it be trusted. We have work to do in this nation.Absolutely. whether you have it in your hands or not, it's to go to your objectives, not mine. I believe in private charities, they are far more effective. Why do you think Buffett and Gates buy an army of accountants to evade taxes? Why don't they give government money? They always advocate it
If it's a government system, that isn't going to happen. Have you been following the cost of Obamacare policies? They aren't going down...
Yet you think the government that created that fiasco can do it right if they get another shot at it? Based on what?
. There is a process...Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens.
If they decide that healthcare is a right then yes, it's a right.
Some countries don't believe that even freedom of speech is a right.
Government decides what our rights are? You have no idea what the US Constitution is
If the US collectively want to decide to extend certain rights to US citizens then they can can't they?Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens.
If they decide that healthcare is a right then yes, it's a right.
Some countries don't believe that even freedom of speech is a right.
With freedom of speech (or any freedom in this country) you don't have to tax other people to have it. With healthcare, you do.
It's not a right to vote money out of my pocket just because I may have it. That's not a right--that's theft. Theft is the act of taking a persons property against their will.
. Like I said before, do you ride down a wagon trail when you leave your home or do you ride down streets with culverts, ditches, drainage, sidewalks, lamp post etc? Do you think a street is more important than human life ?Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens.
If they decide that healthcare is a right then yes, it's a right.
Some countries don't believe that even freedom of speech is a right.
With freedom of speech (or any freedom in this country) you don't have to tax other people to have it. With healthcare, you do.
It's not a right to vote money out of my pocket just because I may have it. That's not a right--that's theft. Theft is the act of taking a persons property against their will.
. Wow I can't believe that just came out of your mouth... You actually said that government should do something ? Now go and wash your mouth out with soap.. You think government is controlled by the same clowns each election cycle ? No you don't, but when someone is elected, no one follows up when they don't do their job... Everybody just lets the donor class win, and we the people lose. Might hopefully be different this time, but who knows really... Obamacare was a ruse and an agenda riddled disaster.I would participate in a group plan in that so you could have a great rate on your healthcare in a skinny minute, because I would know that I would get the same in return. Just comes down to who is handling the account, and can it be trusted. We have work to do in this nation.
If it's a government system, that isn't going to happen. Have you been following the cost of Obamacare policies? They aren't going down...
Yet you think the government that created that fiasco can do it right if they get another shot at it? Based on what?
Government should protecting all it's citizens, not just the moocher class you refer to as "we the people"
Funny, I didn't see 'government' mentioned in my statement.Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens.
If they decide that healthcare is a right then yes, it's a right.
Some countries don't believe that even freedom of speech is a right.
Government decides what our rights are? You have no idea what the US Constitution is
. Sounds like a capitulation Ray.... Like I said before, do you ride down a wagon trail when you leave your home or do you ride down streets with culverts, ditches, drainage, sidewalks, lamp post etc? Do you think a street is more important than human life ?Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens.
If they decide that healthcare is a right then yes, it's a right.
Some countries don't believe that even freedom of speech is a right.
With freedom of speech (or any freedom in this country) you don't have to tax other people to have it. With healthcare, you do.
It's not a right to vote money out of my pocket just because I may have it. That's not a right--that's theft. Theft is the act of taking a persons property against their will.
What I think is that there are things we tax people for that benefit most if not all of society. I'm against taxing people for things that "some" may not have for whatever reason.
This is an old argument on any forum. When we talk about providing people with things, some often bring up police, fire, schools, roads, bridges and so on. With the exception of schools, these are things that benefit most or all of society so all of society pays. This is not to mention that very few if anybody would object to these entities existing in their world.
If the US collectively want to decide to extend certain rights to US citizens then they can can't they?Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens.
If they decide that healthcare is a right then yes, it's a right.
Some countries don't believe that even freedom of speech is a right.
With freedom of speech (or any freedom in this country) you don't have to tax other people to have it. With healthcare, you do.
It's not a right to vote money out of my pocket just because I may have it. That's not a right--that's theft. Theft is the act of taking a persons property against their will.
Isn't that what the constitution did?
Schools don't "benefit most or all of society"?. Like I said before, do you ride down a wagon trail when you leave your home or do you ride down streets with culverts, ditches, drainage, sidewalks, lamp post etc? Do you think a street is more important than human life ?Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens.
If they decide that healthcare is a right then yes, it's a right.
Some countries don't believe that even freedom of speech is a right.
With freedom of speech (or any freedom in this country) you don't have to tax other people to have it. With healthcare, you do.
It's not a right to vote money out of my pocket just because I may have it. That's not a right--that's theft. Theft is the act of taking a persons property against their will.
What I think is that there are things we tax people for that benefit most if not all of society. I'm against taxing people for things that "some" may not have for whatever reason.
This is an old argument on any forum. When we talk about providing people with things, some often bring up police, fire, schools, roads, bridges and so on. With the exception of schools, these are things that benefit most or all of society so all of society pays. This is not to mention that very few if anybody would object to these entities existing in their world.
If the US collectively want to decide to extend certain rights to US citizens then they can can't they?
Isn't that what the constitution did?
. There is a process...Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens.
If they decide that healthcare is a right then yes, it's a right.
Some countries don't believe that even freedom of speech is a right.
Government decides what our rights are? You have no idea what the US Constitution is
Why couldn't the US decide to make an entitlement a right?If the US collectively want to decide to extend certain rights to US citizens then they can can't they?Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens.
If they decide that healthcare is a right then yes, it's a right.
Some countries don't believe that even freedom of speech is a right.
With freedom of speech (or any freedom in this country) you don't have to tax other people to have it. With healthcare, you do.
It's not a right to vote money out of my pocket just because I may have it. That's not a right--that's theft. Theft is the act of taking a persons property against their will.
Isn't that what the constitution did?
There is a difference between rights and entitlements. Entitlements are not a right. Entitlements are forced charity.
A right give you the freedom to pursue something--not pay for something you want. That being said, we all have the right to healthcare in this country. If you want healthcare, buy it.
. Wow I can't believe that just came out of your mouth... You actually said that government should do something ? Now go and wash your mouth out with soap.. You think government is controlled by the same clowns each election cycle ? No you don't, but when someone is elected, no one follows up when they don't do their job... Everybody just lets the donor class win, and we the people lose. Might hopefully be different this time, but who knows really... Obamacare was a ruse and an agenda riddled disaster.If it's a government system, that isn't going to happen. Have you been following the cost of Obamacare policies? They aren't going down...
Yet you think the government that created that fiasco can do it right if they get another shot at it? Based on what?
Government should protecting all it's citizens, not just the moocher class you refer to as "we the people"
So, you think that nothing should be enshrined as a right unless 100% of the population agrees with it.If the US collectively want to decide to extend certain rights to US citizens then they can can't they?
Isn't that what the constitution did?
It's the "collectively want to decide" bit that contains the poison. What you mean by that, is that the majority can force the minority to bend to its will via government. And, yes, that's how government works. But it's not inherently just, and we created the Constitution to contain it - to prevent the majority from abusing minorities willy nilly.
Funny, I didn't see 'government' mentioned in my statement.Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens.
If they decide that healthcare is a right then yes, it's a right.
Some countries don't believe that even freedom of speech is a right.
Government decides what our rights are? You have no idea what the US Constitution is
So, you think that nothing should be enshrined as a right unless 100% of the population agrees with it.If the US collectively want to decide to extend certain rights to US citizens then they can can't they?
Isn't that what the constitution did?
It's the "collectively want to decide" bit that contains the poison. What you mean by that, is that the majority can force the minority to bend to its will via government. And, yes, that's how government works. But it's not inherently just, and we created the Constitution to contain it - to prevent the majority from abusing minorities willy nilly.
That's a high hurdle.
Why couldn't the US decide to make an entitlement a right?If the US collectively want to decide to extend certain rights to US citizens then they can can't they?Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens.
If they decide that healthcare is a right then yes, it's a right.
Some countries don't believe that even freedom of speech is a right.
With freedom of speech (or any freedom in this country) you don't have to tax other people to have it. With healthcare, you do.
It's not a right to vote money out of my pocket just because I may have it. That's not a right--that's theft. Theft is the act of taking a persons property against their will.
Isn't that what the constitution did?
There is a difference between rights and entitlements. Entitlements are not a right. Entitlements are forced charity.
A right give you the freedom to pursue something--not pay for something you want. That being said, we all have the right to healthcare in this country. If you want healthcare, buy it.
Enshrine? What do you mean by that? We could certainly decide to give everyone free ice cream - until it ran out. But that still wouldn't make it a right.Why couldn't the country decide to enshrine free ice-creams for everyone on every second Sunday a right?
. What is a right Ray ? It means something you can't be denide right ? So if a person's non-ability to pay the high cost of a procedure (I.e. bring in $300.00 dollars or you won't get served), then how is it a right Ray. I have seen horror where people have actually taken their family member back home, because they didn't have healthcare at the time, and didn't have the money to go it alone at the time. The friend was laid off from his job of 25 years, and his wife had never worked. His wife was the patient, and she was denide services based on their ability to pay cash at that moment. They also were denide government assistance at that time as well. Do you know how unbelievable that was to find out the woman couldn't be seen for her therapy after she had had a stroke? Disgusting is what it was, but as long as it's not seen from other folks utopias, then who cares right?If the US collectively want to decide to extend certain rights to US citizens then they can can't they?Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens.
If they decide that healthcare is a right then yes, it's a right.
Some countries don't believe that even freedom of speech is a right.
With freedom of speech (or any freedom in this country) you don't have to tax other people to have it. With healthcare, you do.
It's not a right to vote money out of my pocket just because I may have it. That's not a right--that's theft. Theft is the act of taking a persons property against their will.
Isn't that what the constitution did?
There is a difference between rights and entitlements. Entitlements are not a right. Entitlements are forced charity.
A right give you the freedom to pursue something--not pay for something you want. That being said, we all have the right to healthcare in this country. If you want healthcare, buy it.
I'll leave you to carry on with your paranoid 'government vs the people' line if you like.Funny, I didn't see 'government' mentioned in my statement.Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens.
If they decide that healthcare is a right then yes, it's a right.
Some countries don't believe that even freedom of speech is a right.
Government decides what our rights are? You have no idea what the US Constitution is
"Any sovereign country should be able to decide the rights for its own citizens"
You can go ahead and play five year old word games, but explain how that statement does not refer to "government"