No need to worry about Americans without health insurance

[The T]

I am with ya T. The political whores in Washington are using this issue to buy votes. "Look what we did for you. The X party wouldn't take care of you, but made sure that the federal government will. It is free for you." What a hellish scam.

I do what I can charity wise but it is not my responsibility to try and save the world as it were. I am not trying to be cold and heartless, but that is the way it is.

Some solice for you my friend. It is neither Cruel, not heartless to force people to understand that GOD gives us free choice, and we are ALL born with it as recognized with the formation of this Republic by the Founders.

Freewill is a good thing. Government's WILL by FORCE is bad. At least WE have learned this...er...umm, at least some of us have.

Be it yet your heart be still. for you're in the best of company, and the History of US, and the Founders has bourne this out. Their message was clear, and why apologize for it for the sake of apologizing to those that would take it from you?

Time to get mean. For it is forced upon you that propose to take your freedom, your very God-Given liberty from you.

So stop my friend. GIVE 'em HELL, or have HELL imposed upon YOU by them, before they negate or OUTLAW your choice.

Time to STOP the enablers of BAD HABITS by others at YOUR expense.

I am all about fighting the good fight T.

I know that you ARE, and you recognize that which the statist doesn't. I took the oppritunity to expand my thoughts on the post addressed to you.

You and I fight the SAME fight. Those that invoke the name of God/Christ for the nefarious control endeavours of man do NOT speak for either, nor the common good of man by God.

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

Since the Pride Parade moved from Capital Hill to downtown in Seattle, Capital Hill has been losing businesses left and right, the revenue is gone there because of no parade. Tell me, gay people are bad for the economy how? The only way I see them being bad is when we get rid of them.

Wrong thread Kitten.

 

[KittenKoder]

Since the Pride Parade moved from Capital Hill to downtown in Seattle, Capital Hill has been losing businesses left and right, the revenue is gone there because of no parade. Tell me, gay people are bad for the economy how? The only way I see them being bad is when we get rid of them.

Wrong thread Kitten.

BAH! Sorry about that all, multiple tabs. Got confused, thanks BGG.

 

[The T]

If you let the poor die off because they can't afford health care, who's going to do the shit jobs? Immigrants? But they'll die off too because they won't be able to afford health care.

This post here is either comic relief, or STUPID .

YOU judge.

But can you respond to it? I mean other than whining about it.

Who is 'whining'? Eye of the beholder I suppose.

Explain yourself? And while You're at it? WHY is Government doing what they propose to do when they aren't Constitutionally Obligated by LAW to do it?

WHY do you want to ROB me and others of their property/sweat equity for those that made POOR Life Choices?

Are you really a Statist? Marxist perhaps? Socialist?

WHY do *YOU* hate Freedom? Liberty? Free Will?

EXPLAIN yourself.

 

[Big Black Dog]

I hope the Democraps do push this health reform "Public Option" thing through Congress on the cheap with what they call the "Nuclear" option. Can't think of a better way to clear out the crap in Congress come the next several elections. Come 2012 Obama can take a hike too. That is, if he hasn't shown us all he's really a dictator just coming to power... Every day this country slips just a little bit more into the shit can. When it comes to health care - regardless of your station in life - try giving "personal responsibility" a thought and get off of this "give me" attitude that is becoming so popular with dead beats more and more every day.

 

[goldcatt]

One of the answers is to get the federal red tape out of the equation. The political whores want to create more red tape under the guise of making healthcare reform better for one and all. Bull. In my opinion, the feds don't belong in the picture.

Let the respective states deal with tort reform as they will.

I'm all for tort reform if it's done right. There are a lot of bottom feeders out there not just on the legal eagle side, but also on the malpractice insurers' side. The back scratching needs to stop.
But there are people who are genuinely harmed, and those people have to continue to be entitled to a day in court and to compensation upon proof of injury.

It is wrong when someone gets screwed over by "the man." Keep the feds out and let the states deal with it. It will never be perfect but at least the proper constitutional role of government will be there.

No comment on the legal eagle side.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

I'm all for tort reform if it's done right. There are a lot of bottom feeders out there not just on the legal eagle side, but also on the malpractice insurers' side. The back scratching needs to stop.
But there are people who are genuinely harmed, and those people have to continue to be entitled to a day in court and to compensation upon proof of injury.

It is wrong when someone gets screwed over by "the man." Keep the feds out and let the states deal with it. It will never be perfect but at least the proper constitutional role of government will be there.

No comment on the legal eagle side.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

So many different retorts I could offer up.

 

[Diuretic]

This post here is either comic relief, or STUPID .

YOU judge.

But can you respond to it? I mean other than whining about it.

Who is 'whining'? Eye of the beholder I suppose.

Explain yourself? And while You're at it? WHY is Government doing what they propose to do when they aren't Constitutionally Obligated by LAW to do it?

WHY do you want to ROB me and others of their property/sweat equity for those that made POOR Life Choices?

Are you really a Statist? Marxist perhaps? Socialist?

WHY do *YOU* hate Freedom? Liberty? Free Will?

EXPLAIN yourself.

On the Constitutional side of it. As I understand it the US Constitution dictates the limits of government. Now that's a rough understanding I know, it's a lot more complex than that and I don't pretend to know the legal issues, but I have to ask if the US Constitution prohibits government from being involved in issues surrounding health care. If not, then I suppose it's legal for them to do so. If they are not then I would think the enabling legislation would be invalided by the US Supreme Court. I'm not going to second guess them.

You work, you pay taxes. Now whether or not you regard paying tax as theft is irrelevant. You pay taxes. The government disburses those taxes as it sees fit but within the law and the budget programme. You can get angry about where the taxes go but that's about it. If you don't like the government's actions then vote the way you think you need to at the next chance you get.

Statist? Marxist? Socialist? Don't like labels, I prefer to look at issues without having to fit them in to some sort of predetermined political position.

I don't hate freedom, I'm rather fond of it actually. I don't hate liberty either, fond of that too. And free will – I'm not a determinist at all so I suppose that means I'm on the side of free will.

Now what about letting the poor die through not having health care?

 

[goldcatt]

It is wrong when someone gets screwed over by "the man." Keep the feds out and let the states deal with it. It will never be perfect but at least the proper constitutional role of government will be there.

No comment on the legal eagle side.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

So many different retorts I could offer up.

I'm sure you could.
OK then. Bring it.

 

[The T]

But can you respond to it? I mean other than whining about it.

Who is 'whining'? Eye of the beholder I suppose.

Explain yourself? And while You're at it? WHY is Government doing what they propose to do when they aren't Constitutionally Obligated by LAW to do it?

WHY do you want to ROB me and others of their property/sweat equity for those that made POOR Life Choices?

Are you really a Statist? Marxist perhaps? Socialist?

WHY do *YOU* hate Freedom? Liberty? Free Will?

EXPLAIN yourself.

On the Constitutional side of it. As I understand it the US Constitution dictates the limits of government. Now that's a rough understanding I know, it's a lot more complex than that and I don't pretend to know the legal issues, but I have to ask if the US Constitution prohibits government from being involved in issues surrounding health care. If not, then I suppose it's legal for them to do so. If they are not then I would think the enabling legislation would be invalided by the US Supreme Court. I'm not going to second guess them.

You work, you pay taxes. Now whether or not you regard paying tax as theft is irrelevant. You pay taxes. The government disburses those taxes as it sees fit but within the law and the budget programme. You can get angry about where the taxes go but that's about it. If you don't like the government's actions then vote the way you think you need to at the next chance you get.

Statist? Marxist? Socialist? Don't like labels, I prefer to look at issues without having to fit them in to some sort of predetermined political position.

I don't hate freedom, I'm rather fond of it actually. I don't hate liberty either, fond of that too. And free will – I'm not a determinist at all so I suppose that means I'm on the side of free will.

Now what about letting the poor die through not having health care?

Why do *YOU INSIST* on enabling Government to Foist upon me, and my fellow citizens to pay for OTHERS' poor life choices, when HEALTHCARE is NOT a Right, but a personal choice, and an OBLICGATION of each citizen?

WHY do you *INSIST* on Enabling POOR behaviour?

That's what this boils down to and *YOU* know it.

I work hard for me and MY family. Let Charity be MY choice, and NOT for ONE that GOVERNMENT chooses to FORCE upon ME, and MY FAMILY.

You may check your Statism at the door, and address me from a HUMAN standpont.

Until *YOU choose to do that? Go play with yourself in the corner.

I will continue to tell YOU, OBAMA, The Statist DemocRATS, and the rest of you Big Government types to go FUCK yourselves. Didn't YOU get that message this past Summer?

Some of you die hard, don't you?

 

[hvacjones]

Your paying for poor behaviour right now, every time someone goes to the emergency room without insurance. Just paying alot more.

 

[Diuretic]

Who is 'whining'? Eye of the beholder I suppose.

Explain yourself? And while You're at it? WHY is Government doing what they propose to do when they aren't Constitutionally Obligated by LAW to do it?

WHY do you want to ROB me and others of their property/sweat equity for those that made POOR Life Choices?

Are you really a Statist? Marxist perhaps? Socialist?

WHY do *YOU* hate Freedom? Liberty? Free Will?

EXPLAIN yourself.

On the Constitutional side of it. As I understand it the US Constitution dictates the limits of government. Now that's a rough understanding I know, it's a lot more complex than that and I don't pretend to know the legal issues, but I have to ask if the US Constitution prohibits government from being involved in issues surrounding health care. If not, then I suppose it's legal for them to do so. If they are not then I would think the enabling legislation would be invalided by the US Supreme Court. I'm not going to second guess them.

You work, you pay taxes. Now whether or not you regard paying tax as theft is irrelevant. You pay taxes. The government disburses those taxes as it sees fit but within the law and the budget programme. You can get angry about where the taxes go but that's about it. If you don't like the government's actions then vote the way you think you need to at the next chance you get.

Statist? Marxist? Socialist? Don't like labels, I prefer to look at issues without having to fit them in to some sort of predetermined political position.

I don't hate freedom, I'm rather fond of it actually. I don't hate liberty either, fond of that too. And free will – I'm not a determinist at all so I suppose that means I'm on the side of free will.

Now what about letting the poor die through not having health care?

Why do *YOU INSIST* on enabling Government to Foist upon me, and my fellow citizens to pay for OTHERS' poor life choices, when HEALTHCARE is NOT a Right, but a personal choice, and an OBLICGATION of each citizen?

WHY do you *INSIST* on Enabling POOR behaviour?

That's what this boils down to and *YOU* know it.

I work hard for me and MY family. Let Charity be MY choice, and NOT for ONE that GOVERNMENT chooses to FORCE upon ME, and MY FAMILY.

You may check your Statism at the door, and address me from a HUMAN standpont.

Until *YOU choose to do that? Go play with yourself in the corner.

I will continue to tell YOU, OBAMA, The Statist DemocRATS, and the rest of you Big Government types to go FUCK yourselves. Didn't YOU get that message this past Summer?

Some of you die hard, don't you?

I'm suggesting that it would be good for a society if it regarded health care as a right

 

[The T]

It is wrong when someone gets screwed over by "the man." Keep the feds out and let the states deal with it. It will never be perfect but at least the proper constitutional role of government will be there.

No comment on the legal eagle side.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

So many different retorts I could offer up.

Let 'er RIP BGG. Let your conscience be your guide, but STOP being NICE.

Give them the HELL that they deserve.

 

[The T]

On the Constitutional side of it. As I understand it the US Constitution dictates the limits of government. Now that's a rough understanding I know, it's a lot more complex than that and I don't pretend to know the legal issues, but I have to ask if the US Constitution prohibits government from being involved in issues surrounding health care. If not, then I suppose it's legal for them to do so. If they are not then I would think the enabling legislation would be invalided by the US Supreme Court. I'm not going to second guess them.

You work, you pay taxes. Now whether or not you regard paying tax as theft is irrelevant. You pay taxes. The government disburses those taxes as it sees fit but within the law and the budget programme. You can get angry about where the taxes go but that's about it. If you don't like the government's actions then vote the way you think you need to at the next chance you get.

Statist? Marxist? Socialist? Don't like labels, I prefer to look at issues without having to fit them in to some sort of predetermined political position.

I don't hate freedom, I'm rather fond of it actually. I don't hate liberty either, fond of that too. And free will – I'm not a determinist at all so I suppose that means I'm on the side of free will.

Now what about letting the poor die through not having health care?

Why do *YOU INSIST* on enabling Government to Foist upon me, and my fellow citizens to pay for OTHERS' poor life choices, when HEALTHCARE is NOT a Right, but a personal choice, and an OBLICGATION of each citizen?

WHY do you *INSIST* on Enabling POOR behaviour?

That's what this boils down to and *YOU* know it.

I work hard for me and MY family. Let Charity be MY choice, and NOT for ONE that GOVERNMENT chooses to FORCE upon ME, and MY FAMILY.

You may check your Statism at the door, and address me from a HUMAN standpont.

Until *YOU choose to do that? Go play with yourself in the corner.

I will continue to tell YOU, OBAMA, The Statist DemocRATS, and the rest of you Big Government types to go FUCK yourselves. Didn't YOU get that message this past Summer?

Some of you die hard, don't you?

I'm suggesting that it would be good for a society if it regarded health care as a right

Then *YOU are WRONG. It is the SAME as feeding your family, Maintaining a JOB based on your talents.

The thing here is that it isn't up to government to tell me that I have to pay taxes to SUPPORT the same bloodsuckers that won't DO for themselves.

I fight you on this. I work hard for ME and my family, and that is for RESPONSIBILITY sake. I am olbigated TO my Family. I am however NOT obligated to ANYONE ELSE.

If I am it is by charity, and by MY CHOICE to contribute.

And is NOT for YOU, or any Government to FORCE it on me.

Got it ace?

 

[Diuretic]

Why do *YOU INSIST* on enabling Government to Foist upon me, and my fellow citizens to pay for OTHERS' poor life choices, when HEALTHCARE is NOT a Right, but a personal choice, and an OBLICGATION of each citizen?

WHY do you *INSIST* on Enabling POOR behaviour?

That's what this boils down to and *YOU* know it.

I work hard for me and MY family. Let Charity be MY choice, and NOT for ONE that GOVERNMENT chooses to FORCE upon ME, and MY FAMILY.

You may check your Statism at the door, and address me from a HUMAN standpont.

Until *YOU choose to do that? Go play with yourself in the corner.

I will continue to tell YOU, OBAMA, The Statist DemocRATS, and the rest of you Big Government types to go FUCK yourselves. Didn't YOU get that message this past Summer?

Some of you die hard, don't you?

I'm suggesting that it would be good for a society if it regarded health care as a right

Then *YOU are WRONG. It is the SAME as feeding your family, Maintaining a JOB based on your talents.

The thing here is that it isn't up to government to tell me that I have to pay taxes to SUPPORT the same bloodsuckers that won't DO for themselves.

I fight you on this. I work hard for ME and my family, and that is for RESPONSIBILITY sake. I am olbigated TO my Family. I am however NOT obligated to ANYONE ELSE.

If I am it is by charity, and by MY CHOICE to contribute.

And is NOT for YOU, or any Government to FORCE it on me.

Got it ace?

You didn't address my point. I understand where you're coming from, I just disagree with you, that's all.

 

[goldcatt]

Hey! I resemble that remark!

So many different retorts I could offer up.

Let 'er RIP BGG. Let your conscience be your guide, but STOP being NICE.

Give them the HELL that they deserve.

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

Hey! I resemble that remark!

So many different retorts I could offer up.

Let 'er RIP BGG. Let your conscience be your guide, but STOP being NICE.

Give them the HELL that they deserve.

Gold definitely deserves getting "what for" T. She is a legal heathen. She needs a lot of constitutional spankings.

No mercy for gold.

 

[goldcatt]

So many different retorts I could offer up.

Let 'er RIP BGG. Let your conscience be your guide, but STOP being NICE.

Give them the HELL that they deserve.

Gold definitely deserves getting "what for" T. She is a legal heathen. She needs a lot of constitutional spankings.

No mercy for gold.

Is that before or after the cookies?

 

[The T]

OK BGG/ Gold, with those answers? I'll opt out of that part of the discussion...

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

OK BGG/ Gold, with those answers? I'll opt out of that part of the discussion...

Don't be fooled by her female liberal legal heathen charm T. Stay strong. She causes trouble.