Oddball
Unobtanium Member
The day that unexpected massive grocery bills and unexpected massive costs to to keep a shirt on your back starts forcing people into bankruptcy you will be posing a serious question. You aren't. You are looking at this through ideological glasses where many just see single payer as the best way to solve a legit problem.
That day is exactly why I'm asking the question. You're all citing the fact that health care is the number one cause of bankruptcy and that's why we should nationalize it. Is it always government's responsibility to "do something" about the number one cause of bankruptcy? If so, what's number two? Because once we solve health care, there will be a new number one.
The frustrating thing is, we could nationalize health care in a way that addressed the constitutional concerns. We could pass an amendment that ensured that nationalizing services was the exception and not the new rule. But by simply assuming that the general welfare and commerce clauses allow government to control anything and everything that suits the majority, we're creating a really dangerous precedent. And with the next problem we face, it will be that much easier to turn to caretaker government as the solution.
For a guy who likes to point his finger and accuse people of being "partisan" you sure spout a lot of partisan crap in regards to your own ideology.
There's nothing partisan in my argument. I don't trust the Republicans on this issue any more than I trust the Democrats. I don't see them as genuinely against the nationalization effort, and with Romney or Gingrich in particular, doubt they'll do anything to substantially change ACA. They're just pissy that they aren't running the scam.
I specifically said that your argument is partisan in respect to your ideology. I know that you don't identify with any party.
Nationalize "food and clothing"? C'mon now. I expect the government to step in and help the most needy (like they do now) and should a famine of some sort kick in, I certainly expect the government to do what it can to alleviate the problem. But pulling the "what's next, nationalize food?" card and pointing your finger at people and calling them Commies for shrugging off your ideologically driven prods is just silly.
Your argument is a slippery slope argument and it's taken to an absurd level. That's why people won't give you a serious answer because it's an absurd ideologically driven question.
The out of control cost of healthcare in this country is a legit issue that needs to be addressed without rhetorical fart noises like "what's next, nationalize food?"
I know you are smarter than that.
It's not an illegitimate argument.
Look at what has happened with the anti-smoking nazis....They won there and have now taken after trans fats, salt and fast food joints.
Doesn't matter what the committed do-gooder authoritarian gets, it's never enough.