Discussion in 'Politics' started by Democrat4Bush, Aug 20, 2004.
It's pretty busy right now.
I think the title says it all.
I don't believe in the Swiftboat Vets for Bush anymore...
Nixon originally brought out John ONeill to attack Kerry back in 1971.
June 2, 1971: Oval Office meeting with Bob Haldeman
Haldeman: We got these guys now forming this Veterans for a Peace with Justice, or uh the veterans
Nixon: They came in to see me? Are they here?
Haldeman: No we dont want them to be able to see you yet. We dont want to
Nixon: Who are they?
Haldeman: Well, its this guy, uh, hes got a beard, one of em, and theres this Navy officer [John O'Neill], just got out yesterday
Haldeman: -- crew cut, real sharp looking guy who is more articulate than Kerry. Hes not as eloquent; he isnt the ham that Kerry is. But hes more believable.
Haldeman: Colson put this together.
Haldeman: This guy now [ONeill], is gonna, hes gonna move on Kerry. Hes gonna move around the country.
According to the Wall Street Journal and quoted by many Right Wing Pundits:
"I was on Mr. Kerrys boat in Vietnam. He doesnt deserve to be commander in chief." John ONeill, Swift Boat Commander, US Navy, Vietnam. (The Wall Street Journal, May 4, 2004).
John ONeill was indeed assigned to Kerrys boat, after Kerry was no longer serving on said boat. What the Right Wing is actually saying is a man who served on Kerrys boat while Kerry wasnt on it thinks Kerry is unfit to serve.
John O'Neill has now been willingly used by two presidents to attack John Kerry though he says he's non-partisan. He's a Texas Lawyer, associates in his firm have represented Bush in the past. He's angry at Kerry for what he said about the War after he came home, but O'Neill the leader of the "Unfit for Command" book never actually served with Kerry though he suggests otherwise. This group is getting a lot of mileage out of this smear campaign against Kerry, its unfortunate, but that's how politics is sometimes.
Nice try. Only problem with this is Kerry is the one who is inconsistant.
Kerry is the one whose story is changing every time he tells it.
Kerry is the one who is unwilling to answer any questions on the matter.
Kerry is the one who refuses to release his service records to refute these guys.
The fact that Kerry has all his surrogates trying to disqualify the veterans instead of dealing with the challenges they present says alot. If Kerry is being honest its not hard to prove. release the records.
I also think you are stretching if you want to make this some Republican conspiracy. You are also stretching if you think anything you quoted actually proves such a baseless assumption. Kerry maligned the record of these men. They have the opportunity now to set the record straight. If Kerry has problems with that he should have thought of that before he accused his fellow soldiers of war crimes.
If you watch the ad, it's all John Kerry's own words.
Guy hung himself with this one.
The democrats called the tune with this 527 business. It was all well and good when it worked against George Bush. Now, it's come back to bite them in the ass, and they want to change the rules. They're so predictable.
I think the tables will turn on the Swiftboat Vets for Bush soon enough, I only hope Bush suffers in the polls because of this debacle. According to ABC news, Kerry is preparing a viscious offensive against Bush's own service during the Vietnam period. This could quickly Backfire on the Bush bunch if they're not careful.....
In an unpublished interview in March 2003 with Mr. Kerry's authorized biographer, Douglas Brinkley, provided by Mr. Brinkley to The New York Times , Roy F. Hoffmann, a retired rear admiral and a leader of the group, allowed that he had disagreed with Mr. Kerry's antiwar positions but said, 'I am not going to say anything negative about him.' He added, 'He's a good man.'"
"The group also offers the account of William L. Schachte Jr., a retired rear admiral who says in the book that he had been on the small skimmer on which Mr. Kerry was injured that night in December 1968. He contends that Mr. Kerry wounded himself while firing a grenade."
"But the two other men who acknowledged that they had been with Mr. Kerry, Bill Zaladonis and Mr. Runyon, say they cannot recall a third crew member. "Me and Bill aren't the smartest, but we can count to three," Mr. Runyon said in an interview. And even Dr. Letson said he had not recalled Mr. Schachte until he had a conversation with another veteran earlier this year and received a subsequent phone call from Mr. Schachte himself."
ABC News' Jake Tapper reported today on "Good Morning America": "In addition to the involvement of Perry, other GOP donors, and former Reagan White House media liaison Merrie Spaeth, O'Neill told ABC News that when his group was forming, he sought and received free legal advice from Jan Baran, an expert on election law who
was the former counsel for George H.W. Bush's 1988 presidential campaign, and for four years counsel to the Republican National Committee."
Some Vietnam crewmates of Kerry's urged him over the last week to personally condemn the swift boat ads, a task he left until yesterday to spokesmen and friends like McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam. But according to aides, Kerry was particularly incensed Wednesday when he heard reports that Bush donor Perry had written a second $100,000 check to continue financing the group and stayed up late that night writing eight new paragraphs to insert into the speech," reports the Boston Globe 's Pat Healy.
Wow - that's quite a scandal you've uncovered! The people who are financing the swiftboat ads are in ideological agreement with George Bush??!!!
I think the funding of such a group is certainly important in judging their credibility, yes.
Also, Fackcheck.org, has a piece about the swiftboat vets that further diminishes their credibility: http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231
While These Republican funded veterens are slamming Kerry, other witnesses disagree -- and so do Navy records. So should we believe the Republican funded vets whose stories tend to change or be inconsistent at best or should we believe those who actually served under Kerry and the Naval Records? Seems like a no brainer to me. If John O'Neill is willing to say he "Served on Kerry's boat" but doesn't mention that Kerry was no longer commanding Kerry's boat....that just reeks of partisan BS. You can't explain it away either, its too cutsie. And furthermore, pitting Veterans against each other is pretty loathsome, don't you think?
I, For One Am So Discouraged That Bush Promotes Those Ads
About Kerry..when He(kerry) Fought For Our Country.....is There
No Respect Now From Bush For All The Soldiers He Has Sent Into
Battle....mccain Was 6 Yrs A War Prisioner, And Bush Drug Him
Over The Coals.....he Has No Respect For War Heroe's.....
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