New Outrageous Lie from NRA: Gun Silencers Protect Kids' Hearing

[asterism]

How do you NaziCon gun nuts feel about silencers? Should they be legal?

Noise didn't kill those kids.

McVeigh wasn't worried about noise either.

 

[asterism]

New outrageous lie from insane fucking liberals. Silencers kill people!

Film @ never!

Silencers generally allow stealth killing of more people than without. Even worse than high-capacity magazines.

You've seen too many movies.

 

[skookerasbil]

Ive never been more amused the last several weeks......watching the limpwristed among us with the gun commentary.............

The Lakhota home defense system............

Weapons commentary from people in places like Jerkwater, South Dakota is gay.

 

[Lakhota]

Just imagine if the Vegas shooter had silencers.

 

[jillian]

Salon / By Alexander Zaitchik

Silencers could give the next Adam Lanza even more time to kill -- but to the NRA, it's got to be protected.

A gruesome holiday season exercise: Think of some firearms and accessories that might have added to the body counts of Aurora and Newtown. More starkly, imagine the means by which coming Auroras and Newtowns will be made more deadly.

The exercise starts with a militarized baseline, as both shooters unloaded designed-for-damage rounds from high-capacity magazines loaded into assault rifles. Improving their killing efficiency would require one of two things: the ability to shoot more bullets faster, or more time. A fully automatic machine gun would provide the first. More minutes to hunt, meanwhile, might be gained by employing a noise suppressor, those metallic tubes better known as silencers. By muffling the noise generated with every shot by sonic booms and gas release, a silencer would provide a new degree of intimacy for public mass murder, delaying by crucial seconds or minutes the moment when someone calls the police after overhearing strange bangs coming from Theater 4 or Classroom D. The same qualities that make silencers the accessory of choice for targeted assassination offer advantages to the armed psychopath set on indiscriminate mass murder.

It should surprise no one that the NRA has recently thrown its weight behind an industry campaign to deregulate and promote the use of silencers. Under the trade banner of the American Silencer Association, manufacturers have come together with the support of the NRA to rebrand the silencer as a safety device belonging in every all-American gun closet. To nurture this potentially large and untapped market, the ASA last April sponsored the first annual all-silencer gun shoot and trade show in Dallas. America’s silencer makers are each doing their part. SWR Suppressors is asking survivalists to send a picture of their “bugout bag” for a chance to win an assault rifle silencer. The firm Silencero — “We Dig Suppressors and What They Do” — has put together a helpful “Silencers Are Legal” website and produced a series of would-be viral videos featuring this asshole.

Much More: New Outrageous Lie from NRA: Gun Silencers Protect Kids' Hearing | Alternet

American Silencer Association

Silencers Are Legal

[ame=[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HAZ0KSZQG_U]NRA-ILA"]YouTube[/URL] on Silencers - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL65FAD275E3DB4977&v=kx8EJpL1Uhk&feature=player_detailpage]How"]YouTube[/URL] Loud Is It? eps. 1: Face Slap - YouTube[/ame]

it's not like they've ever told the truth about anything. so it shouldn't surprise you.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Salon / By Alexander Zaitchik

Silencers could give the next Adam Lanza even more time to kill -- but to the NRA, it's got to be protected.

A gruesome holiday season exercise: Think of some firearms and accessories that might have added to the body counts of Aurora and Newtown. More starkly, imagine the means by which coming Auroras and Newtowns will be made more deadly.

The exercise starts with a militarized baseline, as both shooters unloaded designed-for-damage rounds from high-capacity magazines loaded into assault rifles. Improving their killing efficiency would require one of two things: the ability to shoot more bullets faster, or more time. A fully automatic machine gun would provide the first. More minutes to hunt, meanwhile, might be gained by employing a noise suppressor, those metallic tubes better known as silencers. By muffling the noise generated with every shot by sonic booms and gas release, a silencer would provide a new degree of intimacy for public mass murder, delaying by crucial seconds or minutes the moment when someone calls the police after overhearing strange bangs coming from Theater 4 or Classroom D. The same qualities that make silencers the accessory of choice for targeted assassination offer advantages to the armed psychopath set on indiscriminate mass murder.

It should surprise no one that the NRA has recently thrown its weight behind an industry campaign to deregulate and promote the use of silencers. Under the trade banner of the American Silencer Association, manufacturers have come together with the support of the NRA to rebrand the silencer as a safety device belonging in every all-American gun closet. To nurture this potentially large and untapped market, the ASA last April sponsored the first annual all-silencer gun shoot and trade show in Dallas. America’s silencer makers are each doing their part. SWR Suppressors is asking survivalists to send a picture of their “bugout bag” for a chance to win an assault rifle silencer. The firm Silencero — “We Dig Suppressors and What They Do” — has put together a helpful “Silencers Are Legal” website and produced a series of would-be viral videos featuring this asshole.

Much More: New Outrageous Lie from NRA: Gun Silencers Protect Kids' Hearing | Alternet

American Silencer Association

Silencers Are Legal

[ame=[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HAZ0KSZQG_U]NRA-ILA"]YouTube[/URL] on Silencers - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL65FAD275E3DB4977&v=kx8EJpL1Uhk&feature=player_detailpage]How"]YouTube[/URL] Loud Is It? eps. 1: Face Slap - YouTube[/ame]

It's a lie?

So, louder guns don't harm hearing?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Just imagine if the Vegas shooter had silencers.

It would have greatly reduced the effective range of his weapons, probably killing fewer people?

 

[Lakhota]

Salon / By Alexander Zaitchik

Silencers could give the next Adam Lanza even more time to kill -- but to the NRA, it's got to be protected.

A gruesome holiday season exercise: Think of some firearms and accessories that might have added to the body counts of Aurora and Newtown. More starkly, imagine the means by which coming Auroras and Newtowns will be made more deadly.

The exercise starts with a militarized baseline, as both shooters unloaded designed-for-damage rounds from high-capacity magazines loaded into assault rifles. Improving their killing efficiency would require one of two things: the ability to shoot more bullets faster, or more time. A fully automatic machine gun would provide the first. More minutes to hunt, meanwhile, might be gained by employing a noise suppressor, those metallic tubes better known as silencers. By muffling the noise generated with every shot by sonic booms and gas release, a silencer would provide a new degree of intimacy for public mass murder, delaying by crucial seconds or minutes the moment when someone calls the police after overhearing strange bangs coming from Theater 4 or Classroom D. The same qualities that make silencers the accessory of choice for targeted assassination offer advantages to the armed psychopath set on indiscriminate mass murder.

It should surprise no one that the NRA has recently thrown its weight behind an industry campaign to deregulate and promote the use of silencers. Under the trade banner of the American Silencer Association, manufacturers have come together with the support of the NRA to rebrand the silencer as a safety device belonging in every all-American gun closet. To nurture this potentially large and untapped market, the ASA last April sponsored the first annual all-silencer gun shoot and trade show in Dallas. America’s silencer makers are each doing their part. SWR Suppressors is asking survivalists to send a picture of their “bugout bag” for a chance to win an assault rifle silencer. The firm Silencero — “We Dig Suppressors and What They Do” — has put together a helpful “Silencers Are Legal” website and produced a series of would-be viral videos featuring this asshole.

Much More: New Outrageous Lie from NRA: Gun Silencers Protect Kids' Hearing | Alternet

American Silencer Association

Silencers Are Legal

[ame=[URL='http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HAZ0KSZQG_U]NRA-ILA']YouTube[/URL] on Silencers - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=[URL='http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL65FAD275E3DB4977&v=kx8EJpL1Uhk&feature=player_detailpage]How']YouTube[/URL] Loud Is It? eps. 1: Face Slap - YouTube[/ame]

It's a lie?

So, louder guns don't harm hearing?

Use ear protection.

 

[Lakhota]

Just imagine if the Vegas shooter had silencers.

It would have greatly reduced the effective range of his weapons, probably killing fewer people?

Not true. Read and learn.

So what’s the final word? According to what I’m seeing here a modern silencer does not change the velocity of the ammunition in any meaningful way. Sure it will throw your shots low, but that’s because the silencer is adding weight to the barrel and forcing it down. But that’s it.

Does a Silencer Affect the Velocity of the Bullet? - The Truth About Guns

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Effective Range involves much more than muzzle velocity.

Muzzle Velocity =/= Accuracy

Suppressors actually INCREASE Muzzle Velocity, but that does not necessarily mean that velocity at range will be lethal. The slightest effect on the bullet will be huge down range, especially if the suppressor releases the gases in an uneven fashion. You can get bullet drift or tumble.

 

[westwall]

Salon / By Alexander Zaitchik

Silencers could give the next Adam Lanza even more time to kill -- but to the NRA, it's got to be protected.

A gruesome holiday season exercise: Think of some firearms and accessories that might have added to the body counts of Aurora and Newtown. More starkly, imagine the means by which coming Auroras and Newtowns will be made more deadly.

The exercise starts with a militarized baseline, as both shooters unloaded designed-for-damage rounds from high-capacity magazines loaded into assault rifles. Improving their killing efficiency would require one of two things: the ability to shoot more bullets faster, or more time. A fully automatic machine gun would provide the first. More minutes to hunt, meanwhile, might be gained by employing a noise suppressor, those metallic tubes better known as silencers. By muffling the noise generated with every shot by sonic booms and gas release, a silencer would provide a new degree of intimacy for public mass murder, delaying by crucial seconds or minutes the moment when someone calls the police after overhearing strange bangs coming from Theater 4 or Classroom D. The same qualities that make silencers the accessory of choice for targeted assassination offer advantages to the armed psychopath set on indiscriminate mass murder.

It should surprise no one that the NRA has recently thrown its weight behind an industry campaign to deregulate and promote the use of silencers. Under the trade banner of the American Silencer Association, manufacturers have come together with the support of the NRA to rebrand the silencer as a safety device belonging in every all-American gun closet. To nurture this potentially large and untapped market, the ASA last April sponsored the first annual all-silencer gun shoot and trade show in Dallas. America’s silencer makers are each doing their part. SWR Suppressors is asking survivalists to send a picture of their “bugout bag” for a chance to win an assault rifle silencer. The firm Silencero — “We Dig Suppressors and What They Do” — has put together a helpful “Silencers Are Legal” website and produced a series of would-be viral videos featuring this asshole.

Much More: New Outrageous Lie from NRA: Gun Silencers Protect Kids' Hearing | Alternet

American Silencer Association

Silencers Are Legal

[ame=[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HAZ0KSZQG_U]NRA-ILA"]YouTube[/URL] on Silencers - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL65FAD275E3DB4977&v=kx8EJpL1Uhk&feature=player_detailpage]How"]YouTube[/URL] Loud Is It? eps. 1: Face Slap - YouTube[/ame]

Nooo, it's a fact. Try doing some research before you repeat your hillary bullshite.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Nooo, it's a fact. Try doing some research before you repeat your hillary bullshite.

I don't know what research he would need to do to know that louder noises harm hearing more than not so loud noises. It's not a lie that suppressors would make a gun less likely to harm a child's hearing, especially when it is difficult to make sure children are using their hearing protection properly.

I think he just wanted an excuse to call the NRA liars.

 

[westwall]

Nooo, it's a fact. Try doing some research before you repeat your hillary bullshite.

I don't know what research he would need to do to know that louder noises harm hearing more than not so loud noises. It's not a lie that suppressors would make a gun less likely to harm a child's hearing, especially when it is difficult to make sure children are using their hearing protection properly.

I think he just wanted an excuse to call the NRA liars.

lackey is a moron of the first order, that is for certain. It's a pretty simple concept, control the loud noise and the kids don't suffer hearing loss. So simple a average intelligence can understand.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

308 was the gold standard for long-range marksmanship for decades. It's still widely used as a long-range cartage today. The problem with the 308 is not muzzle velocity (2500 fps to as high as 3100 fps, depending on the load). The problem is the reduction in energy after 800 yards, based not on muzzle velocity, but bullet shape. I saw a video (can't find it now) where the greater the muzzle velocity, the more ineffective the bullet became down range, almost like the bullet was being overpowered, causing tumble or irregular spin.

Suppressors add another component to ballistics all together. They do not make the weapon more effective, or even quiet, unless you are using subsonic ammo, which would have been fairly useless past 100 yards.

 

[Missourian]

Why is the NRA pushing silencers?

For small game hunting. So you can hunt without hearing protection and to keep your dogs and horses from getting hearing damage.

Suppressors only really works with subsonic ammunition.

Supersonic ammo is still pretty loud.

I'll see if I can find you a video and post it here.

Here you go, 22 caliber rimfire subsonic (slow) vs supersonic (normal) ammunition through a supressor:

 

[westwall]

308 was the gold standard for long-range marksmanship for decades. It's still widely used as a long-range cartage today. The problem with the 308 is not muzzle velocity (2500 fps to as high as 3100 fps, depending on the load). The problem is the reduction in energy after 800 yards, based not on muzzle velocity, but bullet shape. I saw a video (can't find it now) where the greater the muzzle velocity, the more ineffective the bullet became down range, almost like the bullet was being overpowered, causing tumble or irregular spin.

Suppressors add another component to ballistics all together. They do not make the weapon more effective, or even quiet, unless you are using subsonic ammo, which would have been fairly useless past 100 yards.

The issue you are talking about is the ballistic coefficient. The Sierra Premium Match Grade bullet is 168 grain. That is the standard police/military sniper loading. The max effective range for that load is right at 1000 yards. They also have a 175 grain projectile that extends that to 1200 yards. A suppressor will obscure the location of the shooter. The bullet will still have a supersonic crack that can easily be heard, but the target can only locate the radial that the projectile traveled on, but they can't tell the direction. They know which trajectory it is on, but they don't know if it came from in front or behind.

 

[OKTexas]

Why is the NRA pushing silencers?

Because they really DO protect your hearing. Or is that too complex for you?

Good shooting earmuffs make more sense...

Not for a hog gun, suppressors make it easier to take more out. Idiots like you just think guns are for killing people, there are many more uses where suppressors make perfect sense.


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[OKTexas]

Just imagine if the Vegas shooter had silencers.

They still would have located him pretty quickly, after all he broke out the hotel windows and the powder smoke set off the smoke detector. You're not very smart are ya?


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[Lakhota]

So, would these silencers only be legal for kids to use? Would they also come in an assortment of candy colors?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Another thread from a Liberal who doesn't know a fucking thing about firearms. There is no such thing as a Gun Silencer. Suppressors are not illegal the only thing you have to do is pay for the tax stamp.

If criminals really used Suppressors as much as the OP claims they don't need to buy an easily traceable item. Suppressors are easily made from cheap materials. Maglite's , Oil filters, I've even seen ones made out of PVC pipe.