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That's it, thaaat's it...NOW you're getting closer to accepting the DAMAGE that Herr Bush has done to this country.Ohhhh...NOW they want to pick and choose and ACT like they DIDN'T approve and support the Bush Regime over most of the last decade.
They RE-ELECTED that destructive summamabatch for goodness sake.
Now they act as if they don't know what happened and didn't support it as it happened.
Case closed.
Damned "Born Again Fiscally-Responsible."
*SMH*
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Enjoy your Bush bashing soapbox for the next three years. I'm designing an all-weather Obama soapbox for 2013.
I pray that you will have no reason to be on a soapbox in 2013, and not for partisan reasons either. America can't take any more of what its had for the bulk of the last decade.
If I were you, I'd be praying for that too.
[/QUOTE]Your own definition (much that was already provided in this thread) shows how neoconservatism is based in big government liberalism/socialism that links back to FDR, JFK, LBJ etc. Thus, neoconservatism is an abomination of traditional American conservatism, as well as traditional American liberalism (which are far more closely linked to each other than to neoconservatism)
And at present, neoconservatism is ruling the day under the Obama White House. A very aggressive big government policy joined with an aggressive overseas military influence operation.
Obama is very much a neoconservative under the confines of the very definition you yourself have provided.
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edit: DEFINITION
Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaWikiPedia said:Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] Consequently the term is chiefly applicable to certain Americans and their strong supporters. In economics, unlike traditionalist conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.[4]
The term neoconservative was used at one time as a criticism against proponents of American modern liberalism who had "moved to the right".[5][6] Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the current sense of the term neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy.[7] According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by "the notion that liberalism" had failed and "no longer knew what it was talking about."[8] The term "neoconservative" was the subject of increased media coverage during the presidency of George W. Bush.[9][10] with particular focus on a perceived neoconservative influence on American foreign policy, as part of the Bush Doctrine.[11]
The first major neoconservative to embrace the term, Irving Kristol, was considered a founder of the neoconservative movement. Kristol wrote of his neoconservative views in the 1979 article "Confessions of a True, Self-Confessed 'Neoconservative.'"[5] His ideas have been influential since the 1950s, when he co-founded and edited Encounter magazine.[12] Another source was Norman Podhoretz, editor of Commentary magazine from 1960 to 1995. By 1982 Podhoretz was calling himself a neoconservative, in a New York Times Magazine article titled "The Neoconservative Anguish over Reagan's Foreign Policy".[13][14] Kristol's son, William Kristol, founded the neoconservative Project for the New American Century.
Your analysis is weak and in error.
The votes in the Senate were based on bad military analysis, and almost all Senate Dems have repudiated those votes. And, guess who never voted for those force resolutions: yes, that's right, President (then Senate) Obama.
The 30,000 troops to Afghanistan are being sent to beat those who attacked us, Al Quada and their Taliban helpers, while troops are being withdrawn from Iraq, the folks who did not attack us.
Sorry, Sinatra, you are so obviously wrong.
He never voted for it, bub. It is amazing how ignorant you are about American history. But keep entertaining the board, please. You even sound like a neo-con.
Oh, enlarging the print only emphasizes that you know you are sliding down the slippery slope of defeat. Dig those cleats in. Oh, that's right: the neo-cons stole them!
___See, you exploited the loop I deliberately gave you. This is a learning experience, Sinatra, and I am glad you stepped up. This is the first time that you have. BHO was an Illinois politician who said he would not have voted for the legislation, and opposed the war when in the Senate.
They are not even aware Kristol voted for Hubert Humphrey for president, are they?
Yes, the left wing Democrat candidate for president in 1968 and the founder of the Minnesota Farmer Labor Party.
Humphrey had a tradition of wishing to expand federal power and influence both at home and abroad, and so Kristol favored his leanings as they conformed to the already established neoconservative movement that continued to permeate both political parties.
The neocons tend to travel where the power resides, and then influence it from within - regardless of party affilition.
Nixon had neocons, as did Carter. So too did Reagan, though they later professed upset over Reagan's smaller government bent and lukewarm internationalism. Bush Sr. was more in line with neoconservatism, as was Clinton. The Bush administration gave much safe harbor to the neocon influence, and now so too does the Obama administration.
Please expand you too limited understanding of this important socio-political philosopy that has permeated our nation's politics for decades - long before Kristol's public declarations of what neoconservatism was in the 1970's.
Perhaps the single most "neocon" president in our history was none other than FDR...
If you people believe with all your heart and all your might that government is the problem, then why should the American people elect people with such beliefs to serve in government offices?
Wouldn't that be like a self-fulfilling prophecy or something?
The mother of all self-conflicting interests if you will.
Sinatra, you try that thesis in any university or college in the country, whether lib or con, you will get a failing grade. See, reactionary wingnut lying does not work here, either. Obama as neo-con: how funny!
