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Discussion in 'Healthcare/Insurance/Govt Healthcare' started by Helen212, Nov 15, 2012.

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    Please share your opinion about the quality of public health in the United States.

    Do you think the quality of public health in the United States is getting better?

    What health issues being faced by the people of the United States?

    My hope is policy holder could hear the aspirations of its people and do the best for the people

    Thank you
     
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    No offense but I don't get the impression those in government care what I think about health care. They seem to know enough to tell me what is best for me in terms of health care and how I am able to attain it.
     
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    The worst problem with the public's health is mental illness. Mostly afflicts voters.

    I dunno. Little of both I suppose.

    The health care market inflation caused by previous, ill-conceived public policy.

    Hmm.. so "Hope and Change" eh? Sorry, we tried that.
     
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    Ug. Perhaps I will tell a parable like Jesus did.

    I have a white ash tree in my yard. Fraxinus americana if I spelled that right. Its huge and looks great. Strong wooded American tree, baseball bats are made of them.

    An bug called Emerald Ash Borer has been accidentally imported to the United States. It absolutely devastates Fraxinus family ash trees. Kills 99.999% of them. The bug is spreading this way.

    There are several exotic chemical treatments which really I can afford but not many others, you hear me folks who actually have to finance your BMWs lol.

    Now if everyone had insurance on their trees and the there was a market for imiclidide (boy I botched that on the phone), the stuff would be rolling off an assembly line and the economy of scale would lower its price.

    Sorta like any new experimental drug which might save you life.
     
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    Personally I think the US Health care industry is becoming increasingly TOXIC to people's health.

    I think modern HC's number one valid claim ( incresing overall longevity) comes from birth survivals more than it comes from keeping people healthier longer.

    I think HC number 2 provable accomplishment is to keep dying people alive a few month longer than they might otherwise.


    Given that in my lifetime the aggregate percentage of all money spent in this nation on HC has gone from 4% to 17+%?

    We're not getting much BANG for those additional trillions of bucks, kiddies.
     
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    It's just like the prison systems, and how they had become a racket within that specific economy, in which has been built up over time within that economic system. What people fail to understand is that we have many economies that exist within the overall economy of this nation, and each economy has away of affecting the overall economy when one or to many of them all at once get sick, and it will always affect to a degree the over all economy in the nation when this happens, yet all depending on what type of economy or economies are failing within the overall economy, does it therefore affect the overall.

    It's just like when one part of the body gets sick, it can affect the overall health of the entire body, even causing death if not careful because targetting and then fixing the problem quickly didnot happen. This is why I can't understand why our government has been so idiotic in all of this to date really. Let me give an example of an economy that existed within the overall economy back in my day, and it was supported by lower to middle class working people back then, and it grew to become huge, thus growing the negative impact it would have when falls or when it failed against the overall, especially if the transition from it wasn't smooth. It was called "racing drag cars", and this was just one of many small economies, but at the time it could have a big affect on the overall even so. It involved everything from mechanics to machine shops, the heavy manufacturing of speed parts, drag strips set up everywhere, creative thinkers coming out of the wood works in it all, engineers, skills learned and problem solving, job's etc. in which had all been built up around that small economy in which existed within the overall economy of the nation. Now when the trends or fads began to change, it wiped out or scaled back big time that economy and fast, but it didnot affect the overall in such a huge impactful way as to take it down with it, otherwise all it did was change into something else, as the racing just faded off into the sunset for the average Joe to participate in or it became a game to expensive for just anyone or many to play in anymore.

    Now the questions are these, what forces caused the game to change, and what caused the small economy known to many as "drag racing" to become out of touch and reach to many on down the line? What caused it to become to expensive to do anymore ? What factors are involved in destroying economies, and what had gotten against each economy in which does change or begins to fail quickly afterwards in this nation ? These individual economies can be studied and investigated so easily in these times, and we should have a huge data base now showing these changes concerning these economies, and what caused them to fail, changed them or allowed them to impact the overall because of.

    The same goes for health care, housing, the K-Mart economy, the dancing economy, the music economy, the movie economy, the fishing economy and everyother economy that exisist as economies in which are linked together with the oveall economy. Armed with this knowledge, how can it be that the government seems to not know (even through investigation of), upon what is taking the overall down, and why do they not know this way ahead of time in order to protect the overall and the people of this nation ? How come it is that the government can't seem to promote and/or spur the economies that exist within certain economies or even work to create new economies within the overall, that will do all the things that say the drag racing economy had given to so many during that time period, and this when it was reaching and touching so many during that time period ? There are so many ways to create jobs in America for all, even if it means creating new economies within the overall economy or reviving what we already new worked for us before, and that had such positive impacts on the overall.

    It is just one example, but there are many more to choose from. What the people are concerned with now, is why are some economies like health care so out of control, and why is it going the way of the drag racing economy now, where as people can't afford it anymore or soon won't be able to afford it anymore ? This is why there has been a call for the health care economy to be taken out of the many economies that exist within America, because it is to important that it not go in the ways in which the drag racing economy did, as if it is equal to it or something, and therefore to get far to expensive for people to participate in it anymore as they should be able to.. We are not machines, but we are human beings, and therefore we cannot simply allow ourselves to be trying to keep up with the health care economy exploding in cost, to the point we can't particpate in it anymore. Health care is not Drag Racing, where as we can live without one, but we can't live without the other.

    Now by forcing us to particpate as Obama has created, that is not the answer either, just like it wouldn't have been the answer to force us to hold up the drag racing economy or any other economy within ths nation with a gun pointed to our head. Health care can be fixed without this idea of a gun being pointed at our heads to get it fixed, so get the picture now anyone ? It is always better to go into an economy like housing for example, and disect it, investigate what happened to it or is happening to it, remove the problems, then step back and watch it flow like an open fountain again. Problem is now though, it is that the government is full of people whom undoubtedly have no connection or concept of how government is supposed to work for us out here anymore, and it has become infested with those whom are control visionist in there own right, and have agenda's where as they don't want to operate government in the traditional ways anymore, but rather they are robbing it's power to push foward an agenda of change for their own social reconstructionist ideals and agenda's, and so it matters not how bad this nation is going into the tank to them, because the agenda comes first. Right now the social/socialist agenda is trumping all, and that is why this election was won by a socialist, even though many people were hoping to get a fresh go at it in this election, but that has all failed now, so America where are we heading in all of this now?

    Now if there are those whom want to fundamentally change America, and they know which economies to take down in order to do so, then it could be that this thing will be going all by design now, and so it matters not what anyone see's as easy fixes to these things, because certain economies have got to be destroyed within, in order to fundementally change America get it ?
     
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    So where did Time Cube enter the picture?
     
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    Check the box to include the posters comments that you are replying to, and it will help us to know who it is that you are responding to... I sure don't know LOL.....smile
     

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