National Health Care,..my Thoughts!

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    I think this is one of the most crazy thoughts a candidate could imagine. There is proof it will fail if established! Here is some things I would like to say about it!

    Americans have rights, they have the right to "pursue" happiness They don't have the "right" to have somebody else pay for it or achieve a level of "happiness" at the expense of someone else's happiness.

    Our constitution establishes justice, insures domestic tranquility, provides for the common defense, promotes the general welfare and secures "the Blessings of Liberty." But it doesn't decide who is "deserving" and who is not. Health care isn't a "right". That is because the American Founders who recognized that type of "right" would require one person to work for, or serve, another person and they knew that wasn't liberty. An individual's freedom is diminished greatly when his money is confiscated to subsidize someone else's health care, food or anything else. Again,...it is not a right.

    Ok, just remember this, there are about 45 out of the 300 million Americans without health care insurance, and by law, not one of those 45 million can be turned away from an emergency room in any hospital in America.

    Here is what I consider as the proof it will fail!

    Government control of health care is a failure, for example, Hillary Clinton's August 2003, "Vaccine for Children" program screwed up the vaccine industry. The government agreed to purchase 60% of the national pediatric vaccine supply (Clintons pushed for 100%) at a forced discount of about 50%, to be delivered to doctors, and the needy, even though vaccines were already free for the needy through programs like Medicaid.

    With Hillary's program, the government, not the doctors became the direct buyer for most children's vaccines. In result, government was dictating the price to the drug manufacturers and it was so far below cost that out of 25 companies that produced vaccines, only 5 survived. The rest went out of business.

    This soon created the vaccine shortage! Thank You Hillary Clinton!

    Also, another government intervention was created by the "Vaccine Injury Compensation Program" Which drove up the production cost as well, shutting down even more companies.

    Government can't handle it.

    In Oregon (one of the very most liberal states in the USA), socialized "universal health care" legislation has been rejected by the voters! Imagine that?
     
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    That's the "brillancy" of Hillary and her socialism in a nutshell...more people out of work...which in turn negatively affects the lives of many children.
     
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    Perhaps you just have incompetent government? It works elsewhere.
     
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    Where? It may "work" elsewhere but does socialism work WELL elsewhere? I don't think there's a country yet where it has. There are huge examples of the failure of socialism....the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) comes to mind.
     
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    Healthcare would help business, it would remove the insecurity of job loss, it would offer entrepreneurs more flexible work settings, it would help those in genuine need, children and the elderly poor. The country that prides itself on being the best can't do this, why? In our so called Christian nation an act that only can only be labeled Christian in its best sense comes in for such criticism. Why doesn't HC fit into the American psyche.
     
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    Here's a clue, I wasn't referring to "socialism". Now, take that out of your reponse and what's left.............nothing. Like to try again?
     
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    It would certainly help business. I remember reading somewhere that GM was being crippled by, among other things, the healthcare costs for its employees. I don't approve of socialising costs for business in many instances but if the US had a system of universal healthcare it seems to me that would immediately remove a cost burden from business and would also assist every citizen as well.
     
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    So now when secular "progressives" want something they plead the case for Christian ethics? Otherwise they have nothing to do with Christianity and, in fact, put it down as having no place in the public sphere? Hypocritical, don't you think?

    Socialized medicine has proven itself pretty much a failure... even in the much touted Swedish experiment which is now changing to private enterprise methods...don't you think we could find better alternatives than constricting socialist policies for the USA? How about we remove most of government interference and insurance companies to level the playing field and bring down costs instead?
     

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