Toro
Diamond Member
First, a government health care program to cover 10% of the population, next frying Jews in ovens.
When will the madness end?
When will the madness end?
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I answered, "What makes the decision any of your business?"
I answered, "What makes the decision any of your business?"
And yet you seem to question why this process takes place at all? Your fearmongering implies that government run "death panels" will decide who will receive medical care. I have pointed out in numerous posts that these decisions are made every day for the elderly. A 94 year old does not qualify for a heart transplant.
What makes the decision my business??
I have elderly parents, my father has a heart condition. Insurance companies will make decisions on what procedures he can receive and which he can't. Someday, a "death panel" will make the same decisions for me.
It is everyones business
I answered, "What makes the decision any of your business?"
And yet you seem to question why this process takes place at all? Your fearmongering implies that government run "death panels" will decide who will receive medical care. I have pointed out in numerous posts that these decisions are made every day for the elderly. A 94 year old does not qualify for a heart transplant.
What makes the decision my business??
I have elderly parents, my father has a heart condition. Insurance companies will make decisions on what procedures he can receive and which he can't. Someday, a "death panel" will make the same decisions for me.
It is everyones business
I answered, "What makes the decision any of your business?"
And yet you seem to question why this process takes place at all? Your fearmongering implies that government run "death panels" will decide who will receive medical care. I have pointed out in numerous posts that these decisions are made every day for the elderly. A 94 year old does not qualify for a heart transplant.
What makes the decision my business??
I have elderly parents, my father has a heart condition. Insurance companies will make decisions on what procedures he can receive and which he can't. Someday, a "death panel" will make the same decisions for me.
It is everyones business
Today a 94 year old does not qualify, there was a time in my lifetime when NO ONE had a heath transplant!
Think of it! That's relatively recently
Its an issue worth discussing.
Health care costs are escallating. We can't afford to continue dumping our declining healthcare dollars into unnecessary procedures or procedures that have little hope of succeeding. Currently, your insurance company decides whether you will receive funds to receive a potentially life saving procedure. That company has a fiduciary obligation to its stockholders and is not primarilly concerned with the well being of the patient.
Republicans can rail about this process, as well as end of life councilling being included in health care reform. But can we really ignore the fact that this process will take place whether it is from public or private healthcare?
I answered, "What makes the decision any of your business?"
And yet you seem to question why this process takes place at all? Your fearmongering implies that government run "death panels" will decide who will receive medical care. I have pointed out in numerous posts that these decisions are made every day for the elderly. A 94 year old does not qualify for a heart transplant.
What makes the decision my business??
I have elderly parents, my father has a heart condition. Insurance companies will make decisions on what procedures he can receive and which he can't. Someday, a "death panel" will make the same decisions for me.
It is everyones business
I answered, "What makes the decision any of your business?"
And yet you seem to question why this process takes place at all? Your fearmongering implies that government run "death panels" will decide who will receive medical care. I have pointed out in numerous posts that these decisions are made every day for the elderly. A 94 year old does not qualify for a heart transplant.
What makes the decision my business??
I have elderly parents, my father has a heart condition. Insurance companies will make decisions on what procedures he can receive and which he can't. Someday, a "death panel" will make the same decisions for me.
It is everyones business
Not in the America I know.
Discussed just today on a talk show, a women has an elerly mother, who at the age of 100 required a pacemaker.
After the daughter sought this procedure and was turned down by several doctors, their own decision, not a bureaucrats- a doctor performed the operation.
The woman is 105 today.
The soundbyte use was the daughter discussing the mother with President Obama.
The daughter was telling the President about how zestful her mother was, but the President said, we couldn't use such 'subjectivity' in decisions about allowing such a procedure for a 100-year old, we'd have to have some kind of regulation.
Allow?
If the citizen has the money, and a doctor who will perform the procedure, it is neither your decision, nor his.
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And yet you seem to question why this process takes place at all? Your fearmongering implies that government run "death panels" will decide who will receive medical care. I have pointed out in numerous posts that these decisions are made every day for the elderly. A 94 year old does not qualify for a heart transplant.
What makes the decision my business??
I have elderly parents, my father has a heart condition. Insurance companies will make decisions on what procedures he can receive and which he can't. Someday, a "death panel" will make the same decisions for me.
It is everyones business
Not in the America I know.
Discussed just today on a talk show, a women has an elerly mother, who at the age of 100 required a pacemaker.
After the daughter sought this procedure and was turned down by several doctors, their own decision, not a bureaucrats- a doctor performed the operation.
The woman is 105 today.
The soundbyte use was the daughter discussing the mother with President Obama.
The daughter was telling the President about how zestful her mother was, but the President said, we couldn't use such 'subjectivity' in decisions about allowing such a procedure for a 100-year old, we'd have to have some kind of regulation.
Allow?
If the citizen has the money, and a doctor who will perform the procedure, it is neither your decision, nor his.
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If you are 100 and have the money to pay for your own pacemaker then nobody is stopping you. However, when you ask insurance to pay for it and it has minimal probability of significantly extending your life, the cost needs to be questioned.
Healthcare is not cheap and is escallating daily. There still needs to be proper management
Under the Obamunist plan, will there be some bureaucrat panel that passes judgement on the efficacy or costs of implementation?
Its an issue worth discussing.
Health care costs are escallating. We can't afford to continue dumping our declining healthcare dollars into unnecessary procedures or procedures that have little hope of succeeding. Currently, your insurance company decides whether you will receive funds to receive a potentially life saving procedure. That company has a fiduciary obligation to its stockholders and is not primarilly concerned with the well being of the patient.
Republicans can rail about this process, as well as end of life councilling being included in health care reform. But can we really ignore the fact that this process will take place whether it is from public or private healthcare?
Under the Obamunist plan, will there be some bureaucrat panel that passes judgement on the efficacy or costs of implementation?
You will have that in any health plan. We have insurance company bureaucrats deciding that as we speak.
If someone has terminal cancer, we do not pay for a hip replacement
If you are 100, we do not pay for that heart transplant
Even worse, if you are not insured or underinsured.........you are screwed
"I was not intimidated during J. Edgar Hoover's FBI hunt for reporters like me who criticized him. I railed against the Bush-Cheney war on the Bill of Rights without blinking. But now I am finally scared of a White House administration. President Obama's desired health care reform intends that a federal board (similar to the British model) as in the Center for Health Outcomes Research and Evaluation in a current Democratic bill decides whether your quality of life, regardless of your political party, merits government-controlled funds to keep you alive. Watch for that life-decider in the final bill. It's already in the stimulus bill signed into law."
I got chills when I read this!