N. Korea fires on S. Korea - It was a clear provocation!!

Yes, BMT for the USAF. (I love saying that, reminds me of Good Morning Vietnam scene with all the initials). I signed a 6yr contract with them, and I went through MEPS and passed with flying colors.

How did they not catch your back at MEPS? MY godfather was drafted for Vietnam from college, but they didn't allow him to go cause he was color blind (no joke). I would think a back problem would be on the top lists. My uncle got honorable discharge for injuring his during Desert Storm.

I hated MEPS, it was the longest day of my entire life, but it wasn't all that bad. A bunch of bs about the food though. "Paid for by the US Government" and it was some of the crappiest eggs I've ever seen lol. The eggs where like fish nets with eggs in them.
I'm pretty sure they did catch my back at the induction center, because after I got home my mom took me to a local specialist who explained the complication to us.

As I recall at that time, the Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard would discharge for conditions like mine while the Army and Marines would laugh.

About those eggs?
They were fish nets with yokes.
I blame Halliburton.

The worst eggs I've seen so far were at summer camp.
Some of the scrambled variety would actually bounce.
If you tossed those eggs toward the local squirrels, some squirrels would throw them back.

I hope you survive your tour without injuring any innocent humans including yourself.

Well, I am pretty sure I'll do fine in their. I do not PLAN to injure anyone, I will defend myself if attacked, and will follow my orders. I do not know what it will be like when I finally ship out, but war is a part of the military. Part of the world.
Cain:

I'm including a link to a 72 page book (all online) written in the 1930s by one of the most decorate marines of all time. Major General Smedley Darlington Butler resigned from the Corps after WWI but not before winning the Congressional Medal of Honor... twice.

When Butler saw the clouds forming for WWII he wrote:

War is a Racket

It's a book I wish I had read at your age:

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious.

"It is the only one international in scope.

"It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

"A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people.

"Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many.

"Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

"In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict.

"At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War.

"That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

"How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench?

"How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets?

"How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy?

"How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

"Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious.

"They just take it.

"This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war.

"The general public shoulders the bill."

I hope you survive the next six years with your humanity in tact.
 
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The Season of Hopeless is fast approaching, d-man.

Are you ready?

I've seen your kind of "hope" -- as in, "I sure do hope America gets transformed into the USSR circa 1958!"

You're nostalgic for an America that never was. You insist others do all the heavy lifting to effect that change and then you expect them to hand the reigns over to you.

You're destined to go through life bitter and disappointed.
 
I'm including a link to a 72 page book (all online) written in the 1930s by one of the most decorate marines of all time. Major General Smedley Darlington Butler resigned from the Corps after WWI but not before winning the Congressional Medal of Honor... twice.

Cain, you'll do well to ignore George. He's a bitter, twisted, impotent, powerless coward.
 
He's not any of the above!

"Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history.

"During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I.

"By the end of his career he had received 16 medals, five of which were for heroism.

"He is one of 19 people to twice receive the Medal of Honor, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor, and the only person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions.

daveman: Master of conflating message and messenger.
 
He's not any of the above!

"Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history.

"During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I.

"By the end of his career he had received 16 medals, five of which were for heroism.

"He is one of 19 people to twice receive the Medal of Honor, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor, and the only person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions.

daveman: Master of conflating message and messenger.
No, George. I said YOU are a bitter, twisted, impotent, powerless coward.
 
Do you believe War is a Racket?

If so, why do YOU profit from its crimes?

War's not a racket. This is a racket:

tennis_racket-1017.jpg
 
I'm pretty sure they did catch my back at the induction center, because after I got home my mom took me to a local specialist who explained the complication to us.

As I recall at that time, the Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard would discharge for conditions like mine while the Army and Marines would laugh.

About those eggs?
They were fish nets with yokes.
I blame Halliburton.

The worst eggs I've seen so far were at summer camp.
Some of the scrambled variety would actually bounce.
If you tossed those eggs toward the local squirrels, some squirrels would throw them back.

I hope you survive your tour without injuring any innocent humans including yourself.

Well, I am pretty sure I'll do fine in their. I do not PLAN to injure anyone, I will defend myself if attacked, and will follow my orders. I do not know what it will be like when I finally ship out, but war is a part of the military. Part of the world.
Cain:

I'm including a link to a 72 page book (all online) written in the 1930s by one of the most decorate marines of all time. Major General Smedley Darlington Butler resigned from the Corps after WWI but not before winning the Congressional Medal of Honor... twice.

When Butler saw the clouds forming for WWII he wrote:

War is a Racket

It's a book I wish I had read at your age:

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious.

"It is the only one international in scope.

"It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

"A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people.

"Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many.

"Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

"In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict.

"At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War.

"That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

"How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench?

"How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets?

"How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy?

"How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

"Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious.

"They just take it.

"This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war.

"The general public shoulders the bill."

I hope you survive the next six years with your humanity in tact.


I understand war is serious, and dangerous. It can be damaging physically, and emotionally. I have seen a lot of my family members who where in conflicts (ww2, korea, vietnam, desert storm, iraqi freedom, etc) come back and say it was awful, and some of them, although a select few, tell me stories from then. I get it, it's a terrible thing, but it is a part of the world, and someone has to be willing to stand up for others, and I am very willing.

I understand not many agree with war, but just because I joined the military doesn't mean I agree, it means whether I agree or not, I'll do my best to protect my people. I am not going to become twisted, unless I am meant to, and I know people that war has twisted, I am related to one, but that doesn't mean everyone will become that. I am willing to take that risk, if it means being there to protect others from the same fate, or worse.

I'm including a link to a 72 page book (all online) written in the 1930s by one of the most decorate marines of all time. Major General Smedley Darlington Butler resigned from the Corps after WWI but not before winning the Congressional Medal of Honor... twice.

Cain, you'll do well to ignore George. He's a bitter, twisted, impotent, powerless coward.

I am simply replying with my opinion and how I see things, that is all anyone can do in any conversation I believe.
 
I'm including a link to a 72 page book (all online) written in the 1930s by one of the most decorate marines of all time. Major General Smedley Darlington Butler resigned from the Corps after WWI but not before winning the Congressional Medal of Honor... twice.

Cain, you'll do well to ignore George. He's a bitter, twisted, impotent, powerless coward.

I am simply replying with my opinion and how I see things, that is all anyone can do in any conversation I believe.

Indeed. :beer:
 
Do you believe War is a Racket?

If so, why do YOU profit from its crimes?

What crimes? Killing terrorists is not a crime, dumbass.
Since March 2003 one in four Iraqis has become dead, deformed, displaced, or imprisoned.
I'd ask for a credible citation, but there are none. You probably believe that horseshit Lancet study, don't you?
Were they all terrorists?
And I bet you're counting the ones your beloved "freedom fighters" killed, too, aren't you?
Do you consider Dick Cheney and Dubya terrorists?
I know they're not terrorists. If they were, you'd love them.
 

One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad. But when asked whether they preferred life under Saddam, the dictator who was executed last December, or under Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, most replied that things were better for them today.​

But George knows better than they do. :lol:
 
What crimes? Killing terrorists is not a crime, dumbass.
Since March 2003 one in four Iraqis has become dead, deformed, displaced, or imprisoned.
I'd ask for a credible citation, but there are none. You probably believe that horseshit Lancet study, don't you?
Were they all terrorists?
And I bet you're counting the ones your beloved "freedom fighters" killed, too, aren't you?
Do you consider Dick Cheney and Dubya terrorists?
I know they're not terrorists. If they were, you'd love them.
Are these people all terrorists?

"Overview
Seven years after the U.S. military occupation of Iraq, the country continues to face large scale displacement and pressing humanitarian needs.

"Millions of Iraqis have fled their homes – either for safer locations within Iraq or to other countries in the region – and are living in increasingly desperate circumstances.

"Iraq’s future will only be secure and prosperous if the needs of the displaced are also considered in all current and future policies and planning.
 

One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad. But when asked whether they preferred life under Saddam, the dictator who was executed last December, or under Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, most replied that things were better for them today.​

But George knows better than they do. :lol:
Did you notice when that survey was taken?

Maybe you should think about moving to Fallujah?

Uranium nights...
 
Since March 2003 one in four Iraqis has become dead, deformed, displaced, or imprisoned.
I'd ask for a credible citation, but there are none. You probably believe that horseshit Lancet study, don't you?

And I bet you're counting the ones your beloved "freedom fighters" killed, too, aren't you?
Do you consider Dick Cheney and Dubya terrorists?
I know they're not terrorists. If they were, you'd love them.
Are these people all terrorists?

"Overview
Seven years after the U.S. military occupation of Iraq, the country continues to face large scale displacement and pressing humanitarian needs.

"Millions of Iraqis have fled their homes – either for safer locations within Iraq or to other countries in the region – and are living in increasingly desperate circumstances.

"Iraq’s future will only be secure and prosperous if the needs of the displaced are also considered in all current and future policies and planning.
So, they just toss out the word "millions", and like a good little robot, you believe it.
 

One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad. But when asked whether they preferred life under Saddam, the dictator who was executed last December, or under Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, most replied that things were better for them today.​

But George knows better than they do. :lol:
Did you notice when that survey was taken?
So, you're saying the Iraqis are in worse shape now?
Maybe you should think about moving to Fallujah?

Uranium nights...
I bet you believed the terrorists' press release about Fallujah, just like Murtha did. :lol:
 

One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad. But when asked whether they preferred life under Saddam, the dictator who was executed last December, or under Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, most replied that things were better for them today.​

But George knows better than they do. :lol:

Those are two unconnected stories that you are trying to co-mingle. The fact that they see their life as better under Maliki than Saddam has no connection to the amount of innocents killed.

Plus, if you asked whether their 'freedom' was a fair trade for their son, husband or father, I suspect that the answer would be 'no'.
 

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