Muslims That Condemn Terrorism

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    We started this discussion in another thread, and before it became too far off topic, I thought I'd move it here:

    Let's just take your first example first:

    This is NOT an example of Islamic leaders who have condemned violence.

    It IS an example that appears quite typical, of Islamic leaders qualifying not just violence, but savagery.

    Could we possibly imagine the Pope, or the President of the USA declaring that, although they interpret the Christian Bible as clearly saying that BEHEADING MUSLIM PRISONERS is a BAD THING, blame is to be placed on the initial actions of Islam?
     
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    Please provide a fatwa specifically condemning violence against Jews.

    Take all the time you need.
     
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    Sheikh `Abdul-Majeed Subh doesn't make any distinction regarding the beheading of Civilian or Military Captives.

    I guess I will take it for what it is: "Mainstream Islamist Thought"

    But don't act surprised when anyone condemns all Islam for accepting the Beheading of Captives.
     
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    Except, mainstream Muslims are not flying airplanes into buildings and turning themselves into suicide monkeys.

    Mainstream Muslims are not practicing Islam. They are practicing some kind of Westernized, sanitized secular hybrid faith.

    In fact, bin Laden and his crew are practicing traditional Islam that calls for the murder of the infidel.
     
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    it's your task to provide fatwa which call to kill pacifist jews!

    why Iranians don't massacre their persian jews?
     
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    Beheading someone is no more or less barbaric than dropping a bomb on their house while they sleep.

    It's appropriate to condemn violence, period, but it's inappropriate to pretend the reactionary violence of insurgents is somehow worse than the instigating violence of those who invade and occupy their sovereign land.

    As a teacher, when a fight breaks out at school, we reprimand both students and usually send them home, but we give a longer suspension and hold more at fault the kid who threw the first punch.

    It's just that on a larger scale and there's no rational reason to have a problem with it.
     
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    Psycho, there IS NO fatwa prohibiting the murder of Jews.

    Now, go back into your coma, shit-for-brains.
     
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    Dropping a bomb on the houses of terrorists is entirely appropriate. Your lesson for the day, teach.
     
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    REALLY?

    Then why don't we do it?
     
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    The vast majority of people whose homes, neighborhoods, businesses, person, etc. we have bombed in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Pakistan are not terrorists.

    The majority of people killed are civilians. This isn't a secret, we used intentionally excessive force in the invasion, remember "Shock and Awe"?

    Our predator drone attacks kill at least 10 civilians for every legitimate target. Those killed were murdered, and it's murder whether it's from an expensive and sophisticated bomb or a rusty hacksaw.

    Neither are morally defensible in the slightest. To claim the bombing is more defensible or less egregious when at the least, those killing soldiers are targeting military targets (doesn't apply to civilians they kidnap obviously) of people who have invaded and occupied their country is absurd.


    We don't need to. That's kind of a dumb question. That's like asking why don't we use guerrilla tactics or suicide bombers? We have more efficient methods that keep our people safer while they kill the natives of the country we've attacked.

    When you have billions of dollars, highly advanced weaponry, advanced training, and other such advantages, you don't need to resort to trying to grab one guy and behead him, you can just wipe him (and often his neighbors or family) out in an air strike.

    The Battle of Algiers, about a similar conflict in the Algerian War, addresses this well in an exchange with a local insurgent.

    If they had the bombers, tanks, and billions, and we were a guerilla faction made up of farmers, business people, and low-skill laborers, we'd be planting roadside bombs and cutting off their heads too. It's the nature of guerrilla warfare against a militarily superior enemy.

    Again, that doesn't excuse the actions of either side, but to pretend it makes them more vile and barbaric than we are is to do just that, pretend.
     
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