Muslims in Va. Supporting terrorism

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    Same story, just in our country this particular time.


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    Terror Probe Points to Va. Muslims
    Local Network Provided Millions in Financing, Agency Charges


    By Douglas Farah
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday, October 18, 2003; Page A06

    A secretive group of tightly connected Muslim charities, think tanks and businesses based in Northern Virginia were used to funnel millions of dollars to terrorists and launder millions more, according to court records unsealed yesterday.

    An affidavit from Homeland Security agent David Kane said that the Safa Group, also known as the SAAR network, in Herndon had sent more than $26 million in untraceable money overseas and that leaders of the organization "have committed and conspired to . . . provide material support to foreign terrorist organizations."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43559-2003Oct17.html
     
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    This has been going on for a very long time in the US, but the Muslims weren't the first. Private citizens from the US kept the IRA movement in Ireland going for many many years. On the other hand, since we like St. Patty's Day, and most Irish people are white, we hardly even consider them a terrorist organization. Instead of think tanks, though, the Mcs have drunk tanks.
     
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    Thats very interesting. But, do you see the difference between your post and mine? Mine is about Muslims, yours is not. This is the Muslim forum, not the IRA forum. If the IRA ever blows up 2 of our buildings and kills 3,000 people, be sure to post again! :rolleyes:
     
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    This is sort of a broken record: that no posts here should make mention of groups other than muslims. But I don't really understand that. It's not as if you can pretend to criticize the muslim culture (or some of its more vocal proponents) in a vacuum: any criticism of a culture necessarily makes reference to the culture from which that culture is being cirticised, even if only implicitly. It seems obvious to me that any cultural criticism is necessarily based on COMPARISON between the culture in question and the native culture of whoever is making the criticism. As such, it seems emminently relevant to a thread about the terrorist funding of Muslim groups in the US to point out that Muslims are not the only group that have found significant monetary support from private citizens in the US. What does not seem appropriate is your tendency to eliminate one major source of response to the posts here by saying they aren't relevant if someone makes the seemingly obvious defense of pointing out that things you criticize muslims for are also characteristics of our own society as a whole, namely that of Judeo-Christians. Which is why I didn't understand when you moved some of the threads that were posted here because they referenced Judeo-Christian culture. In the end, you'll need one forum for talking about Muslims, another for talking about Christians, another for talking about comparisons between muslims and christians, and another for discussing Buddhism, and another for comparing Budhism and Christianity and another for comparing Buddhists and Muslims... see what I'm saying? It seems to me that all of these topics are just as relevant here as any other forum which is presumably dedicated to discussing cultural difference. Another example: if we are to criticize the muslim culture for its treatment of women, is it not relevant to point out that abuse and repression of women is a characteristic of every single human culture in history? (No real exception has been found, though some, obviously, are worse than others.) What sense does it make to criticize Muslims for something of which all cultures are guilty? And if someone wants to make and support the point that the US is just as guilty of this as the Muslim culture, wouldn't that be a relevant response to a thread that criticizes the Mulim culture on those very same grounds?

    Anyway, just some food for thought which I offer respectfully to the USmessageboard dictator who just responded to me with a minor flame rather than addressing what I see is an obvious logical connection between two distinct "terrorist" movements. In the end, my response was at least as relevant in a forum on Muslims as a post which references the acts of a few individuals rather than the Muslim culture as a whole.
     
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    Would you go into a board about the New York Yankees and tell them their team is just like the Chicago Bulls? One is really irrelevant to the other.

    People get angry here because articles get posted about Muslims in a bad light. Rather than discuss the article, or Muslims in general, they try to "retaliate" by comparing them to something else.

    Your spin doesn't change the fact that your post had nothing to do with Muslims. It was more like a post about the USA in general and history related to supporting a terror organization.

    No I won't, because they don't have a place in a post 9/11 forum. I'm sorry you can't grasp that Muslims played a large role in that tragedy, but the others that you name didn't.

    You are free to start any topic you care to in the General USA section or Chat section though.

    You've been given an opportunity to express your opinion on ANY view you wish. The only thing I am asking is where these views are posted, and that makes me a dictator? If you don't like the hundreds of rules I set in place here, you are welcome to post elsewhere. I didn't realize rules you can count on one hand would be so hard for you to follow.

    OR, you could always post your views in the General USA section or Chat section! People cry censorship here, but NO topic other than child porn is censored here.
     
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    I never beef with anyone here..but your post is off topic to this part of the board..I read into some of what you said....and it's just not for this part of the board...Why make an issue about it..and make your posts so ...so...like when some one reads them..they don't bother finishing......It's great you have something to share..but this approach you're taking is rude..especialy when there is no cencorship here......and you lash at us as your enemy,and as we're pricks or..something worse.

    Now please apologize,and post your thoughts in the general section....If you have a beef..post in the general section and ask for a IRA section for the site..maybe the owner will make one up...if you just be half way cool.......I don't know him..and it's worth a shot..If you got something that really means alot..Go To The General Section..and post a message for the board owner to consider a IRA section...I havent read enough of your posts to know if you support them,or are against them...you behavior has made me ignore them..Now try..and be nice....

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    I am in full agreement with Jim and Creek! This is a section on Muslims - period! Any other thoughts should be posted elsewhere or in the general chat session. As for the moderator being a dictator - you are way out of line. I for one, feel he has put up with a lot of crap from some since this board's beginning.

    My idea for you on Friday (Halloween if you don't know) is to strip down naked, hang a potato around your neck - and then you will see a dictator!
     
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    LOL, that was a good one!
     
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    Oh boy....Joan...!!!!...Wow!!!!...(laughing)...I have an imagination..but that idea never sprung on me......!!!!....

    You're right...I've seen no censorship here..or a dictator type moderation....That's a bologna thing to say....I'm hoping for this gentleman to step foward..and apologize for his slip of the tongue...........

    Not sure...but thought he could be one of the guys who did not qualify for the winter expedition survival expedition set for January......If this is the guy...I'll explain to him why we disqualified him...It was for health reasons..not a disliking for this gentleman....
     
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    OK, potatoes have NOTHING to do with Muslims... you are WAY off topic!! :D :p


    Just kidding... sorry.
     

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