Muslim Extremism

[P F Tinmore]

Unlike the Palestinians who say the Jews can stay as Palestinian citizens.

You really believe that?

Xinhua reports that Al-Zahar "did not rule out the possibility of having Jews, Muslims and Christians living under the sovereignty of an Islamic state

Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Jews, to the extent they choose to stay and live in the state of Palestine, will enjoy those rights and certainly will not enjoy any less rights than Israeli Arabs enjoy now in the state of Israel," Fayyad said in response to a question from former CIA director James Woolsey at the Aspen Institute's Ideas Festival.

Fayyad: Jews can be equal citizens in Palestinian state - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

 

[High_Gravity]

Unlike the Palestinians who say the Jews can stay as Palestinian citizens.

You really believe that?

Xinhua reports that Al-Zahar "did not rule out the possibility of having Jews, Muslims and Christians living under the sovereignty of an Islamic state
Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Jews, to the extent they choose to stay and live in the state of Palestine, will enjoy those rights and certainly will not enjoy any less rights than Israeli Arabs enjoy now in the state of Israel," Fayyad said in response to a question from former CIA director James Woolsey at the Aspen Institute's Ideas Festival.

Fayyad: Jews can be equal citizens in Palestinian state - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Read the highlighted part, the fine print says Islamic State which means Christians and Jews would not have any rights there, what other Arab country has Muslims, Christians and Jews living side by side as equal citizens? they want the Christians and Jews to live under them, not be equal partners.

 

[Jos]

what other Arab country has Muslims, Christians and Jews living side by side as equal citizens?

Morocco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[High_Gravity]

what other Arab country has Muslims, Christians and Jews living side by side as equal citizens?

Morocco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I thought Morocco sent their Jews packing with the rest of the Arab world in the 60s? ok I am not too familiar with Morocco, but lets just say Muslims, Christians and Jews do live equally side by side there, do you think Palestine could turn into another Morocco overnight just like that? Plus isn't Morocco ruled by a King who claims to be descended from Prophet Mohammed?

 

[Jos]

what other Arab country has Muslims, Christians and Jews living side by side as equal citizens?

Morocco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I thought Morocco sent their Jews packing with the rest of the Arab world in the 60s? ok I am not too familiar with Morocco, but lets just say Muslims, Christians and Jews do live equally side by side there, do you think Palestine could turn into another Morocco overnight just like that? Plus isn't Morocco ruled by a King who claims to be descended from Prophet Mohammed?

Well they used to live together in peace for thousands of years, before the Balfour declaration

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

Balfour Declaration of 1917 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy

 

[High_Gravity]

Morocco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I thought Morocco sent their Jews packing with the rest of the Arab world in the 60s? ok I am not too familiar with Morocco, but lets just say Muslims, Christians and Jews do live equally side by side there, do you think Palestine could turn into another Morocco overnight just like that? Plus isn't Morocco ruled by a King who claims to be descended from Prophet Mohammed?

Well they used to live together in peace for thousands of years, before the Balfour declaration

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

Balfour Declaration of 1917 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy

I understand that Jews and Muslims have lived together for the past 1000 years but with Hamas running Gaza and with the way things are on the ground in Palestine/Israel, I doubt very much that Hamas would let the Jews live amongst Muslims equally.

 

[Jos]

Israel could try it out in the west bank first, No Hamas there,
There was a time, not that long ago, when a Black Man born in the USA, did not have the same rights as a White man that had come as an Immigrant

 

[Ropey]

I understand that Jews and Muslims have lived together for the past 1000 years but with Hamas running Gaza and with the way things are on the ground in Palestine/Israel, I doubt very much that Hamas would let the Jews live amongst Muslims equally.

Hamas

From its inception in 2002, the Initiative deeply divided the organization.[8] As stated before, members of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing, committed the Passover Massacre on same day as the peace Initiative's adoption.[3] At that time, Hamas rejected not only peace with Israel but even negotiations with it.[18] The official administration of Hamas never recognized the Initiative, which alienated it from members of the Arab League, especially Jordan and Egypt.[47] One of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' conditions of forming a national coalition government with Hamas after the 2006 election was that Hamas had to recognize the Initiative, but he was unsuccessful.[47]

Hamas' spokesman Ismail Abu Shanab told The San Francisco Chronicle in April 2002 that the organization would accept it, saying "That would be satisfactory for all Palestinian military groups to stop and build our state, to be busy in our own affairs, and have good neighborhood with Israelis."[48] The newspaper reporters who interviewed Shanab questioned whether or not he truly spoke for the administration and could not corroborate his story.[48] Hamas' foreign minister Mahmoud al-Zahar said in June 2006 that the organization rejects the initiative.[8] Prime Minister Ismail Haneya said on October 2006 that the "problem with the Arab peace initiative is that it includes recognition of the state of Israel, the thing that the Palestinian government rejects" and dismissed it.[49] That month, Mahmoud al-Zahar declared unequivocally: "Hamas will never change its position regardless of the pressure's intensity" and "We will never recognize the Arab initiative."[50]

After the revival of the initiative in March 2007, Hamas continued a policy of ambiguity with many officials giving negative responses while some gave neutral or hopeful responses.[26] Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhum told Haaretz that "the issue is not a 'yes' or 'no' by Hamas regarding the initiative. We respect the Arab efforts to attain Palestinian rights and we will act within the Arab consensus. Nonetheless, the Zionist enemy continues to reject the initiative and we will not determine our position in reference to it before it has been accepted."[26] Haaretz sources in Palestine state that Hamas wanted to oppose the initiative outright but did not do so because it did not want to break with the Saudi Arabian government.[26] Hamas figure Khaled Meshaal ridiculed the PLO pro-initiative ad campaign, saying “The rights of Palestinians can be achieved only through resistance, not advertisements”.[17]

Time stated in January 2009 that "In the Arab world, only Hamas and Hizballah, with the backing of Tehran, reject the Arab peace initiative." Left-wing Israeli commentator and former Minister of Justice Yossi Beilin also said in January 2009 that "Hamas considers its adherence to the three "nos" of Khartoum from 1967, which the entire Arab world abandoned in adopting the Arab peace initiative, to be its primary distinctive feature Fateh. Even a prolonged battering by the IDF will not bring Hamas to make this change." The Khaleej Times editorialized in December 2008 that "The Arab peace plan remains the best and most pragmatic solution to Palestine-Israel conflict.... Even though Hamas and Islamic Jihad are not prepared to accept anything short of the entire Palestine occupied in 1940s, if the plan is accepted by Israel and US, the Arabs could possibly persuade Islamists to embrace it too."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

Fact Sheet
#71: Palestinians Declare Three Noes to Peace
(August 11, 2009)

Echoing the Arab rejection of peace with Israel expressed at Khartoum almost exactly 42 years ago (“no peace with Israel, no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel&#8221, the Palestinians declared at the Fatah conference in Bethlehem in August 2009 three noes: no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel as a Jewish state and no end to the armed struggle against Israel.

In fact, in addition to the three noes to peace, the Palestinians had more than a dozen other demands, including Israeli acceptance of the “right of return” of Palestinian refugees, the release of all Palestinian prisoners from Israeli jails, the freezing of all settlement construction and the lifting of the Gaza blockade. They also vowed to continue the struggle against Israel “until Jerusalem returns to the Palestinians void of settlers and settlements. ”

These recalcitrant positions come after Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) previous statements that he will not negotiate with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and expects President Obama to bring about Netanyahu’s downfall.

Click

This is happening right now. Hamas is clear, when they are not speaking. Otherwise, they are clear when they choose who and how to speak their case.

But the writing is clear.

 

[Jos]

Jewish Virtual Library - Homepage

Jewishvirtuallibrary.org - Jewish Virtual Library Jewish Virtual Library - Homepage
I wouldn't give much value to an organization Who masks their domain in Madeira, an Island in the middle of the Atlantic
jewishvirtuallibrary.org
Rua Dr. Brito Camara, n 20, 1
Funchal
Madeira

 

[High_Gravity]

Israel could try it out in the west bank first, No Hamas there,
There was a time, not that long ago, when a Black Man born in the USA, did not have the same rights as a White man that had come as an Immigrant

You are absolutly correct, and it took centuries to get things to where they are and people willing to sit down and talk to one another. The Palestinians refuse to recognize Israels right to exist, how far would things have gotten if Black people refused to recognize white peoples right to exist? negociations don't tend to get very far like that.

 

[Ropey]

how far would things have gotten if Black people refused to recognize white peoples right to exist? negotiations don't tend to get very far like that.

Too right.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I understand that Jews and Muslims have lived together for the past 1000 years but with Hamas running Gaza and with the way things are on the ground in Palestine/Israel, I doubt very much that Hamas would let the Jews live amongst Muslims equally.

Hamas

From its inception in 2002, the Initiative deeply divided the organization.[8] As stated before, members of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing, committed the Passover Massacre on same day as the peace Initiative's adoption.[3] At that time, Hamas rejected not only peace with Israel but even negotiations with it.[18] The official administration of Hamas never recognized the Initiative, which alienated it from members of the Arab League, especially Jordan and Egypt.[47] One of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' conditions of forming a national coalition government with Hamas after the 2006 election was that Hamas had to recognize the Initiative, but he was unsuccessful.[47]

Hamas' spokesman Ismail Abu Shanab told The San Francisco Chronicle in April 2002 that the organization would accept it, saying "That would be satisfactory for all Palestinian military groups to stop and build our state, to be busy in our own affairs, and have good neighborhood with Israelis."[48] The newspaper reporters who interviewed Shanab questioned whether or not he truly spoke for the administration and could not corroborate his story.[48] Hamas' foreign minister Mahmoud al-Zahar said in June 2006 that the organization rejects the initiative.[8] Prime Minister Ismail Haneya said on October 2006 that the "problem with the Arab peace initiative is that it includes recognition of the state of Israel, the thing that the Palestinian government rejects" and dismissed it.[49] That month, Mahmoud al-Zahar declared unequivocally: "Hamas will never change its position regardless of the pressure's intensity" and "We will never recognize the Arab initiative."[50]

After the revival of the initiative in March 2007, Hamas continued a policy of ambiguity with many officials giving negative responses while some gave neutral or hopeful responses.[26] Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhum told Haaretz that "the issue is not a 'yes' or 'no' by Hamas regarding the initiative. We respect the Arab efforts to attain Palestinian rights and we will act within the Arab consensus. Nonetheless, the Zionist enemy continues to reject the initiative and we will not determine our position in reference to it before it has been accepted."[26] Haaretz sources in Palestine state that Hamas wanted to oppose the initiative outright but did not do so because it did not want to break with the Saudi Arabian government.[26] Hamas figure Khaled Meshaal ridiculed the PLO pro-initiative ad campaign, saying “The rights of Palestinians can be achieved only through resistance, not advertisements”.[17]

Time stated in January 2009 that "In the Arab world, only Hamas and Hizballah, with the backing of Tehran, reject the Arab peace initiative." Left-wing Israeli commentator and former Minister of Justice Yossi Beilin also said in January 2009 that "Hamas considers its adherence to the three "nos" of Khartoum from 1967, which the entire Arab world abandoned in adopting the Arab peace initiative, to be its primary distinctive feature Fateh. Even a prolonged battering by the IDF will not bring Hamas to make this change." The Khaleej Times editorialized in December 2008 that "The Arab peace plan remains the best and most pragmatic solution to Palestine-Israel conflict.... Even though Hamas and Islamic Jihad are not prepared to accept anything short of the entire Palestine occupied in 1940s, if the plan is accepted by Israel and US, the Arabs could possibly persuade Islamists to embrace it too."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

Fact Sheet
#71: Palestinians Declare Three Noes to Peace
(August 11, 2009)

Echoing the Arab rejection of peace with Israel expressed at Khartoum almost exactly 42 years ago (“no peace with Israel, no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel”), the Palestinians declared at the Fatah conference in Bethlehem in August 2009 three noes: no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel as a Jewish state and no end to the armed struggle against Israel.

In fact, in addition to the three noes to peace, the Palestinians had more than a dozen other demands, including Israeli acceptance of the “right of return” of Palestinian refugees, the release of all Palestinian prisoners from Israeli jails, the freezing of all settlement construction and the lifting of the Gaza blockade. They also vowed to continue the struggle against Israel “until Jerusalem returns to the Palestinians void of settlers and settlements. ”

These recalcitrant positions come after Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) previous statements that he will not negotiate with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and expects President Obama to bring about Netanyahu’s downfall.

Click

This is happening right now. Hamas is clear, when they are not speaking. Otherwise, they are clear when they choose who and how to speak their case.

But the writing is clear.

Interesting, but Jews were not mentioned in your response.

 

[Ropey]

I understand that Jews and Muslims have lived together for the past 1000 years but with Hamas running Gaza and with the way things are on the ground in Palestine/Israel, I doubt very much that Hamas would let the Jews live amongst Muslims equally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

In fact, in addition to the three noes to peace, the Palestinians had more than a dozen other demands, including Israeli acceptance of the “right of return” of Palestinian refugees, the release of all Palestinian prisoners from Israeli jails, the freezing of all settlement construction and the lifting of the Gaza blockade. They also vowed to continue the struggle against Israel “until Jerusalem returns to the Palestinians void of settlers and settlements. ”

These recalcitrant positions come after Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) previous statements that he will not negotiate with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and expects President Obama to bring about Netanyahu’s downfall.

Click

This is happening right now. Hamas is clear, when they are not speaking. Otherwise, they are clear when they choose who and how to speak their case.

But the writing is clear.

Interesting, but Jews were not mentioned in your response.

Muslim Extemism is about Muslims. Not Jews PF.

Obsessive much?

 

[P F Tinmore]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative



These recalcitrant positions come after Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) previous statements that he will not negotiate with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and expects President Obama to bring about Netanyahu’s downfall.

Click

This is happening right now. Hamas is clear, when they are not speaking. Otherwise, they are clear when they choose who and how to speak their case.

But the writing is clear.

Interesting, but Jews were not mentioned in your response.

Muslim Extemism is about Muslims. Not Jews PF.

Obsessive much?

You were responding to High_Gravity saying "I doubt very much that Hamas would let the Jews live amongst Muslims equally."

 

[Ropey]

And Muslim Extremism (Read Hamas as shown above) will not allow for Jews to live side by side as equals. No matter what some mouthpiece says.

And it matters not, because Israel is recreated. A moot point anyway.

 

[docmauser1]

Israel could try it out in the west bank first,

In Judea & Samaria, that is, no?

No Hamas there,

Lots of fatah there.

There was a time, not that long ago, when a Black Man born in the USA, did not have the same rights as a White man that had come as an Immigrant

That is what I have always pointed out - palistainians want a state a jovish one too, the first one - judenrein, the second one - "multicultural and tolerant", toward palistainians, though, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org I wouldn't give much value to an organization Who masks their domain in Madeira, an Island in the middle of the Atlantic jewishvirtuallibrary.org Rua Dr. Brito Camara, n 20, 1 Funchal Madeira

Well, not everyone has a duty to buy palisturd, even if it's appended with co.uk, of course.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'm still in awe that some people really think the Palestinians would let the Jews stay if they were running things over there.

What do Samaritans, who consider themselves the true ancient Israelites who crossed from Egypt, think of Jerusalem from the religious angle? What do they consider themselves, Palestinians or Israelis?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adsnIMCg8IA&feature=related[/ame]

 

[editec]

P F timemore,

Odd that noted when the Copts were attacked in Egypt, but failed to follow up as the news showing you that the Egyptians stood up to the Moslem radicals.

Egypt’s majority Muslim population stuck to its word Thursday night. What had been a promise of solidarity to the weary Coptic community, was honoured, when thousands of Muslims showed up at Coptic Christmas eve mass services in churches around the country and at candle light vigils held outside. (see photo gallery)


From the well-known to the unknown, Muslims had offered their bodies as “human shields” for last night’s mass, making a pledge to collectively fight the threat of Islamic militants and towards an Egypt free from sectarian strife.

“We either live together, or we die together,” was the sloganeering genius of Mohamed El-Sawy, a Muslim arts tycoon whose cultural centre distributed flyers at churches in Cairo Thursday night, and who has been credited with first floating the “human shield” idea.

Among those shields were movie stars Adel Imam and Yousra, popular Muslim televangelist and preacher Amr Khaled, the two sons of President Hosni Mubarak, and thousands of citizens who have said they consider the attack one on Egypt as a whole.

source

What does that really tell you?

Does it support the theory that every Moselm is a radical who want sot kill all Christians, or does it support the theory that radical Islam does NOT remotely represent the sentiment of the average Moslem?

Those Islamic Egyptians put their lives on the line for their fellow citizens, THE CHRISTIANS.

When you report only the news that supports your POV, you know what that's called?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I'm still in awe that some people really think the Palestinians would let the Jews stay if they were running things over there.

What do Samaritans, who consider themselves the true ancient Israelites who crossed from Egypt, think of Jerusalem from the religious angle? What do they consider themselves, Palestinians or Israelis?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adsnIMCg8IA&feature=related[/ame]

Samaritans are an interesting, small group of people. When I visited their temple in Samaria, a guy I knew pissed on it. LOL. Not saying I approved, just reporting an event that happened. See Mr. Tinmore, these are the memories you can make by visiting Israel.