Muslim attitudes towards Jews

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  1. dickdear2003
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    Dr.Mahatir accuses the Jews of 'inventing' democracy and human rights.....

    Nothing could denigrate muslim thought more than

    a. such a stupid and bald-faced lie

    b. the idea that a muslim would think it shameful to invent
    democracy and human rights


    Mahatir...a successful leader and politician who is also a medical
    doctor seems to lose his rationality when discussing Jews...

    Do you supposs it is the teachings of the Koran????
     
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    Wouldn't surpise me in the slightest bit.
     
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    Could you provide a link to let us know what you're talking about?

    As for the teachings of the Koran, I wouldn't know. Did you have some specific passage from the Koran in mind?

    Even the Bahais, the most recent off-shoot in the line of Judeo-Christian religions, and known for their tolerance, show many aspects in their religious writings of being profoundly sexist (for example). Any particular reason you would like to impugn whole sale the holy text of Islam without even making specific references?

    Bry
     
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    Dear Bry

    I make reference to the speech of Dr. Matahir Mohammed, Prime Minister of Malasia to the Islamic Organization Conference in Kuala Lumpur last week

    In it, he accussed Jews of inventing

    Communism Socialism Democracy Human Rights

    so as to deflect danger away from themselves.

    The good doctor also made the statement that the Jews control the world...

    And he chided the Muslim world for not emulating the Jews ability to think...and therefor 'defeat' the Muslim world (Whatever that means)...

    These remarks are so far out. that one wonders where an erudite and educated person such as the good doctor could have gotten them,.,,hence my comment about the Koran.

    It was a generalized comment... since so much of the drivel from Muslim leaders in the world is so preposterous, hateful, denigrating to civilization and so anit-humanity... and the only common thread I see tying it all together would be the Koran.
     
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    The question in the moronic statements of one Dr. Matahir Mohammed, Prime Minister of Malasia to the Islamic Organization Conference in Kuala Lumpur concering the Jewish people has a definite basis in the Koran. The term used by Islam is Al-Taqiyya or permitted deception or lying to protect the Koran and Allah.

    The reality that western civilization believes that Islam is basically a peaceful religion is based on what the Muslim people relate to the infidels. There is really no one who reads the Koran or its actual translation by Islamics themselves. Sura (Chapter 9:) One Islamic Koran site can be found at http://db.islamicity.com:81/quran/F...m&-error=error.htm&ayat_text=9:5&-max=7&-find
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    Islam uses lies and deception as permitted by the Koran at:

    http://www.ci-ce-ct.com/Feature articles/02-12-2002.asp

    Taqiyyah (essentially means to lie to hide the truth)
    1.) The believe in Taqiyya.
    2.) This means 'Holy Deception'.
    3.) To believe in something but express/ say something else.
    4.) They say 9-10th of Deen is Taqiyya.
    5.) They say, he who has no Taqiyya has no deen.
    6.) There is a great reward in Lying.
    7.) They say the great Imams Practised 'Taqiyya'.
    8.) They say Alli (R.A), Hassan (R.A), Hussain(R.A) practiced 'Taqiyya'.
    9.) They say Hussein (R.A) practiced 'Taqiyya'.
    10.) Perorm Jamaah salaat with Sunni's.
    11.) Visit their sick .
    12.) Perform their Janazah Salaat.

    References:
    (1.) Usul -e- Kafi. (2.) Ibid. (3.) Ibid. (4.) Ibid. (5.) Ibid. (6.) Ibid. (7.) Islaamic Goverment P35/ 133 .(8.) Ibid. (9.) Ibid. (10.) Usul -e- Kafi. (11.) Ibid.(12.) Ibid.
     
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    Their hatred for human rights democracy goes hand in hand with the pseudo "Arab spring." Also funny were the years the Satanic Qaddafi's chairing Human Rights rep. at the UN...
     
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    the bahais originated in shia Iran about 150 years ago....

    not judeo christian at all.................islam is much closer to judaism than christianity anyways

    but on the whole a tolerant bunch
     
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    Bry----regarding the koran---I think -I am a bit more fortunate than most people who post here.
    I read the koran more than 40 years ago with an absolutely unbiased mind
    At that time I was so naive about islam that I thought the lines that
    attributed the sacrifice of a son by abraham----to ISHMAEL as victim
    were a printing error. I showed the book to a pakistani doctor who
    was working in the hospital where I had my little "part time weekend while in
    college job" and told him he should notify the publisher of its printing
    errors. -------He looked at the book ---the PICTHALL translation, and said---"no
    this is a very good translation" After that I learned ---and learned some more
    about islam and ITS victims. In fact my husband was born in a shariah
    adherent country.

    I never QUOTE the koran-----it is a scriptural writing and the only
    people equipped to interpret scriptural writings are the SCHOLARS
    thereof----who can not only read it in the original but also KNOW
    its symbols and poetic allusions. The way to know islam is to know
    SHARIAH LAW----which is the islamic scholarly interpretation of the
    koran-----also good ---is to know the FATWAHS of AL AZHAR UNIVERSITY
    which most sunni muslims consider the authority on the koran. Unfortunately
    the AL AZHAR fatwah internet page does not seem to be online
    anymore--------

    the fact is that there is an ANTIPATHY so the concept of
    "democracy" frequently expressed by islamic clerics. It is
    also a fact that the form or government advocated in islamic
    ideology is a CALIPHATE in which the ruler (caliph) is considered
    a successor to muhummad-----ie part of a kind of ROYAL LINE
    and who ----according to the ideology----speaks for "allah"----thus
    crossing the "caliph" is blasphemy. This ideology has led to
    laws in some muslim countries which render criticism of the
    government----a capital crime Feel free to ask questions but
    it is silly for you to demand LINE AND VERSE QUOTATIONS
    FROM THE KORAN regarding any statement a person makes
    about islam----
     
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    what a great post, rosie!!

    now why can't you use that decent scholarly language all the time

    you would be so much more effective here if only you did, sweetie

    btw, where are the bits of judaism and christianity that support democracy; try criticisin the pope in the church

    they have both been just as bad, haven't they

    they have had to be reined in and reformed, which is still to happen in islam as you say
     
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    don't try to stroke me SCHMUCK (sweetie)
     

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