Multiculturalism and Sharia

[thereisnospoon]

Like the Arizona bill allowing freedom of religion to discriminate...

Like this:

a. Earlier American presidents, Republicans and Democrats alike, agreed on two basic goals: teach the newcomers English and make them Americans. The clear aim was to strengthen our national identity--to reinforce the unum in e pluribus unum--by assimilating the new arrivals into American civilization.
Anti-Americanization - Society and Culture - AEI

b. This is their truth and their aim:
" An increasingly diverse society makes it more difficult to sustain support for solidarity. Part of the problem is a perceived loss of common values." The Piggy Bank Ban and Selling Out to Muslims | The Brussels Journal

Then why did the founders and many states not ever pass laws that English is the language of the land??

The founders flawed the individual rights of man when they allowed slavery to exist when the nation was formed....

Most people believe not making English our official language was a mistake.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Yes, the Founders believed in "limited Constitutional government".

Like slavery. You know, limited government and unlimited freedom.

Non sequitur.
Post dismissed.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Until she writes something herself I don't typically check her posts. Only ever regurgitating some ultraconservative rag.

Don't bother.

If you stopped posting, you're the only one who'd know it.

If you find multiculturalism and diversity so maddening why don't you go back to Korea,

one of the most proudly racist nations in the history of humankind.

Awww....did you run out of ideas so quickly that you had to resort to playing the race card?

 

[Foxfyre]

Like this:

a. Earlier American presidents, Republicans and Democrats alike, agreed on two basic goals: teach the newcomers English and make them Americans. The clear aim was to strengthen our national identity--to reinforce the unum in e pluribus unum--by assimilating the new arrivals into American civilization.
Anti-Americanization - Society and Culture - AEI

b. This is their truth and their aim:
" An increasingly diverse society makes it more difficult to sustain support for solidarity. Part of the problem is a perceived loss of common values." The Piggy Bank Ban and Selling Out to Muslims | The Brussels Journal

Then why did the founders and many states not ever pass laws that English is the language of the land??

The founders flawed the individual rights of man when they allowed slavery to exist when the nation was formed....

Most people believe not making English our official language was a mistake.

But hindsight is always 20 20. Just as the numbnuts can't get past the concept of slavery that existed at the time the Constitution was signed--almost all of the Founders opposed slavery by the way--even some of us seem unable to see their world through the Founders' eyes. They, being fallible human beings, would not have even dreamed of a tyranny of multiculturalism promoted by modern leftism. Such a social leftism did not even exist in their day. That was an evil invented at a much later time.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

it is really time for Americans to wake up....there is no such thing as 'multiculturalism' in Islam.....only submission....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TqPK5oYZBk

A faithful one. Nothing more dangerous than a man who believes he knows the Will of God.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Then why did the founders and many states not ever pass laws that English is the language of the land??

The founders flawed the individual rights of man when they allowed slavery to exist when the nation was formed....

Most people believe not making English our official language was a mistake.

But hindsight is always 20 20. Just as the numbnuts can't get past the concept of slavery that existed at the time the Constitution was signed--almost all who opposed slavery by the way--even some of us seem unable to see their world through their eyes. They, being fallible human beings, would not have even dreamed of a tyranny of multiculturalism promoted by modern leftism. Such a social leftism did not even exist in their day. That was an evil invented at a much later time.

Tyranny? What tyranny is that drama queen?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I have no problem with private--underscore PRIVATE--organizations and institutions making special accommodations for various groups they choose to accommodate. We did the same in an agency I once ran when a fundamentalist Christian girls' school wanted to rent our indoor pool for swimming lessons. But they wanted to be sure that our male staff members would not see the girls in their swimming attire. They were willing to pay extra for the expense of covering up all the windows in doors and the viewing area etc. and for our assurance that all male staff and members would be banned from the area. I saw accommodating the girls as more important than the inconvenience to our staff.

But had the city, county, state, or federal government ORDERED us to accommodate those girls, they would have had a royal fight on their hands that I would have taken all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary. No group, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Italians, accordian players, tiddly wink associations or whatever should have any special rights or accommodations under the laws of the land that are not also afforded every other citizen.

Of course we should not ban Muslims in this country. But neither should we change our laws to accommodate Islam any more than we should change our laws to accommodate any other group.

yes we should...

would you invite a 'murderer' to live in your house....?
would you invite a Fascist group into your city.....?
would you invite a terrorist state to settle in America....?

that's exactly what we're doing folks.....

I disagree Eagle. You and I agree on numerous things, but not on this one. I personally know too many Muslims who are loving, caring, individuals who are a credit to their communities and their industries.

But we have to also know that wherever Muslims have gained sufficient numbers, the militant among them will also begin to push Islam as the 'norm' instead of a piece of the whole. And they will begin to put pressure to muzzle other traditions and concepts while pushing Sharia law. This is fine so long as they confine it to their own group. But when they start intruding on others, a serious problem develops. Those promoting multiculturalism and political correctness are likely to believe it is the compassionate and tolerant thing to accommodate that. We who are wiser must be ever diligent to resist it.

But ban them? No. Not any more than we would ban hateful, narrow minded groups like Westboro Baptists and similar such groups. If we value freedom, we must be ever vigilant to defend it when others would take it from us, but otherwise we must be willing to allow others to be who and what they are, however wrong we may think that is.

how about these 'loving, caring Muslims' in Dearborn, Michigan......? they are just ordinary muslims attending a festival....but still they stone Americans who are entitled to free speech....

the muslim madness has already begun here in America and will continue to grow unless we stop it.....same as it has been happening for quite awhile in Europe.....1st Amendment free speech in America does not matter to muslims if they perceive any insult to Islam....

"During the 2012 Arab International Festival held this past June in Dearborn, Michigan, a group of Christian evangelists were pelted with stones, bottles, and debris by Muslim youths while deputies from the Wayne County Sheriff's Office stood idly by, allowing the criminal assault to take place. Many of the Christians were bloodied by the attack. When Ruben Israel, the leader of the Christian group, asked the law enforcement officers present to step in and enforce the criminal law so that the Christians could exercise their right to freedom of speech, Israel was given the option of either leaving the festival or facing arrest."

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Getting back on topic here.......

The greatest threat to America concerning Sharia Law is allowing into our courtrooms, Political Chic. Has it happened before? Yes. There are cases such as the case in New Jersey. So we have been forced to introduce American Laws for American Courtrooms in an effort take back our own courtrooms and keep Sharia law out. This has been a big battle although state by state we are winning it.

Question. If the goal of immigrants is to integrate into society - preferring American way of life - then why are groups such as CAIR hiring lawyers in an effort to stop ALAC from being passed in all 50 states? If their goal is not the installment of Sharia law into our court system then why would they care about ALAC being voted on?

 

[Jughead]

Multiculturalism and Sharia

Multiculturalism is a recipe for disaster. If we look at some European cities like London where they initially embraced multiculturalism, you now have a city that is divided along cultural lines.

Large cities should be promoting a multiethnic society, but not a multicultural one. Once you start ghettoizing certain ethnic groups into various neighborhoods, conflict is unavoidable. Newcomers should adopt a melting pot approach where they assimilate into the mainstream culture of the city they have moved to. For instance New York City will have a different culture than Dallas.

Newcomers need to understand that once they leave their country of origin, they also leave behind their culture. That means no Sharia law if their destination includes the U.S. or Europe. Why folks would voluntarily move to a country where they would be in conflict with the culture there is beyond me. They would surely not be happy.

 

[Foxfyre]

yes we should...

would you invite a 'murderer' to live in your house....?
would you invite a Fascist group into your city.....?
would you invite a terrorist state to settle in America....?

that's exactly what we're doing folks.....

I disagree Eagle. You and I agree on numerous things, but not on this one. I personally know too many Muslims who are loving, caring, individuals who are a credit to their communities and their industries.

But we have to also know that wherever Muslims have gained sufficient numbers, the militant among them will also begin to push Islam as the 'norm' instead of a piece of the whole. And they will begin to put pressure to muzzle other traditions and concepts while pushing Sharia law. This is fine so long as they confine it to their own group. But when they start intruding on others, a serious problem develops. Those promoting multiculturalism and political correctness are likely to believe it is the compassionate and tolerant thing to accommodate that. We who are wiser must be ever diligent to resist it.

But ban them? No. Not any more than we would ban hateful, narrow minded groups like Westboro Baptists and similar such groups. If we value freedom, we must be ever vigilant to defend it when others would take it from us, but otherwise we must be willing to allow others to be who and what they are, however wrong we may think that is.

how about these 'loving, caring Muslims' in Dearborn, Michigan......? they are just ordinary muslims attending a festival....but still they stone Americans who are entitled to free speech....

the muslim madness has already begun here in America and will continue to grow unless we stop it.....same as it has been happening for quite awhile in Europe.....1st Amendment free speech in America does not matter to muslims if they perceive any insult to Islam....

"During the 2012 Arab International Festival held this past June in Dearborn, Michigan, a group of Christian evangelists were pelted with stones, bottles, and debris by Muslim youths while deputies from the Wayne County Sheriff's Office stood idly by, allowing the criminal assault to take place. Many of the Christians were bloodied by the attack. When Ruben Israel, the leader of the Christian group, asked the law enforcement officers present to step in and enforce the criminal law so that the Christians could exercise their right to freedom of speech, Israel was given the option of either leaving the festival or facing arrest."

But if we post a video clip of the Westboro Baptists doing one of their reprehensible, intolerant demonstrations, would that be an indictment of all Christianity?

 

[Foxfyre]

"The Left desires power at any cost: even at the cost of the death of this nation."

First define "the Left", next provide evidence that "the Left" desires power at any cost.

"They have successfully used identity politics in which they encourage each group to focus on slights, imagined victimization, and to remain an entity separate from the culture and the rest of the nation."

Has PC only read her own posts? "slights" and "imagined victimization"? Maybe she should walk in the shoes of others before judging their feelings as inconsequential.

I'd go on, but it doesn't pay to feed a narcissist.

During the immigration wave of the early 20th century, people of different nationalities clustered together in neighborhood enclaves. They shouted insults and slurs at each other. Discriminated against each other. Fought in the streets against each other.
And learned how to live and work with each other.
The glaring differences. These people learned English. They became part of the dominant culture. They were eager to contribute to the community. The WANTED to become AMERICANS...
This wave of immigrants? Wants little to do with becoming Americans. They want to have US kowtow to THEIR wishes. And of course the left, defined mostly as self hating white liberals, enable these immigrants by ramming such things down our throats as "sympathy" and "multiculturalism"..
Throughout human history and this is evident now, that no nation absent of a dominant culture or a common language has ever been able to govern itself. That's a fact and there are a myriad of examples. To deny this is pure fallacy.
There is no need to even respond because there is no reasonable or factual rebuttal. It is the truth.
One may disagree all they like. Post all kinds of opinions and politically motivated studies. That does not change the facts.

Here we do agree. We as Americans should accept only people who come here to be Americans and not those who wish to make America into the places they left.

Certainly people can bring their culture with them and blend it into ours. It is fun to have Spanish and Mexcan and Italian and German and Irish and Hungarian etc. festivals and thereby learn to appreciate and enjoy what other cultures have to offer. But never should we be required to set aside our uniquely American culture, a blend of all those who came here, to accommodate an incoming immigrant's culture, religion, law, or anything else.

Schools who would allow Mexican flags to be in prominent display on Cinco de Mayo but would ban American flags from being displayed on that day are not promoting tolerance and appreciation for American exceptionalism. They are promoting a dangerous multiculturalism that could destroy America as nothing else is likely to ever do.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I disagree Eagle. You and I agree on numerous things, but not on this one. I personally know too many Muslims who are loving, caring, individuals who are a credit to their communities and their industries.

But we have to also know that wherever Muslims have gained sufficient numbers, the militant among them will also begin to push Islam as the 'norm' instead of a piece of the whole. And they will begin to put pressure to muzzle other traditions and concepts while pushing Sharia law. This is fine so long as they confine it to their own group. But when they start intruding on others, a serious problem develops. Those promoting multiculturalism and political correctness are likely to believe it is the compassionate and tolerant thing to accommodate that. We who are wiser must be ever diligent to resist it.

But ban them? No. Not any more than we would ban hateful, narrow minded groups like Westboro Baptists and similar such groups. If we value freedom, we must be ever vigilant to defend it when others would take it from us, but otherwise we must be willing to allow others to be who and what they are, however wrong we may think that is.

how about these 'loving, caring Muslims' in Dearborn, Michigan......? they are just ordinary muslims attending a festival....but still they stone Americans who are entitled to free speech....

the muslim madness has already begun here in America and will continue to grow unless we stop it.....same as it has been happening for quite awhile in Europe.....1st Amendment free speech in America does not matter to muslims if they perceive any insult to Islam....

"During the 2012 Arab International Festival held this past June in Dearborn, Michigan, a group of Christian evangelists were pelted with stones, bottles, and debris by Muslim youths while deputies from the Wayne County Sheriff's Office stood idly by, allowing the criminal assault to take place. Many of the Christians were bloodied by the attack. When Ruben Israel, the leader of the Christian group, asked the law enforcement officers present to step in and enforce the criminal law so that the Christians could exercise their right to freedom of speech, Israel was given the option of either leaving the festival or facing arrest."

But if we post a video clip of the Westboro Baptists doing one of their reprehensible, intolerant demonstrations, would that be an indictment of all Christianity?

that's not the point...

why is it the Westboro Baptists are allowed to legally demonstrate in public but the Christian group here is not allowed to demonstrate....?

physical assault should have been dealt with by the police here.....however the police here are probably compromised by the muslim community which pays them...so they are kowtowing to muslim Sharia...

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Another question would be why would Europe intentionally cause the imbalance witnessed in Europe between Muslims from restricted nations and non Muslim citzens of Europe?

Why did America intentionally open the flood gates to Muslims from restricted nations? This experiment was not going to have any different outcome than other nations taken over by Islam. Surely they knew this. In fact it could be because they knew this they decided to flood the west with Muslims from restricted nations in order to catapult their own agenda.

Wasn't it Kissinger who said people will sacrifice their freedoms for more security? Who better to offer it to them the communist UN?

I have no doubt about the nature of Islam and neither do the communists who are using it to their advantage. It's all leading up to something.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Another question would be why would Europe intentionally cause the imbalance witnessed in Europe between Muslims from restricted nations and non Muslim citzens of Europe?

Why did America intentionally open the flood gates to Muslims from restricted nations? This experiment was not going to have any different outcome than other nations taken over by Islam. Surely they knew this. In fact it could be because they knew this they decided to flood the west with Muslims from restricted nations in order to catapult their own agenda.

Wasn't it Kissinger who said people will sacrifice their freedoms for more security? Who better to offer it to them the communist UN?

I have no doubt about the nature of Islam and neither do the communists who are using it to their advantage. It's all leading up to something.

what better way to destroy the fabric of America.....than to pit group against group.....?

Obama is doing it in spades.....

...all part of the marxist 'revolution'....

 

[Unkotare]

Leading up to what?

 

[Contumacious]

1. The Left desires power at any cost: even at the cost of the death of this nation.

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

What do you think about "Multicultarism and Jewish Law"?

Didn't that concept bring about the 09/11 retaliatory attack? The Iraqi war? Possible Syrian - Iranian conflict?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg"]What motivated the 9/11 hijackers? See testimony most didn't.[/ame]

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[HUGGY]

Neither is Christianity but the Christians ignore that part. Regardless, you worry too much.

that's so much bullshit.....America has always been a religious country.....full of Christians......which is one reason why it has been so successful.....

America has only been on the downslide ever since the worm of secular relativism has bored into society.....like blanket multiculturalism.....pushed by the commie left which is atheist and anti-Christian....

worry too much....? all you have to do is look at Europe to see how Islam is invading those countries right before your very eyes....America is only a few short decades behind...

I need to reiterate, before this thread takes on an incorrect tone:

any group or any religion is welcomed in America....as long as they are desirous of becoming Americans.


The Left encourages and separation to accrue votes.
Hence, the first line of the OP: "The Left desires power at any cost: even at the cost of the death of this nation."


The less than astute fail to recognize the direction that Leftist policies have taken us, and, worse, deny same when it is pointed out.


More than appropriate is the verse from "The Hollow Men,"

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

"The Left encourages and separation to accrue votes.
Hence, the first line of the OP: "The Left desires power at any cost: even at the cost of the death of this nation."

Nonsense. The republicans are the absolute champions of redistricting. PC ..your arguments are weak bordering on willfull ignorance.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

1. The Left desires power at any cost: even at the cost of the death of this nation.

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

What do you think about "Multicultarism and Jewish Law"?

Didn't that concept bring about the 09/11 retaliatory attack? The Iraqi war? Possible Syrian - Iranian conflict?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg"]What motivated the 9/11 hijackers? See testimony most didn't.[/ame]

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LOL......we need to worry about the 9/11 killers' 'motivation'........?

they attacked and killed Americans.....that's all we fucking need to know....

the same goes for Israel....they have every right to retaliate against terrorists attempting to annilate them....

 

[Contumacious]

1. The Left desires power at any cost: even at the cost of the death of this nation.

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

What do you think about "Multicultarism and Jewish Law"?

Didn't that concept bring about the 09/11 retaliatory attack? The Iraqi war? Possible Syrian - Iranian conflict?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg"]What motivated the 9/11 hijackers? See testimony most didn't.[/ame]

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LOL......we need to worry about the 9/11 killers' 'motivation'........?

they attacked and killed Americans.....that's all we fucking need to know....

the same goes for Israel....they have every right to retaliate against terrorists attempting to annilate them....

Hamburg Delenda Est

By John Galvin

September 20, 2001


by John Galvin

Let me explain to you the most fundamental principle of American foreign policy: Any country where the people have unpronounceable names can be bombed by the US with impunity. For you Rockwell readers who are a little slow on the uptake, "impunity" means they aren't allowed to bomb us back. "We called no tag-backs." It hardly qualifies as impunity when they blow up our biggest buildings, now does it? They aren't playing by the rules."

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[ScreamingEagle]

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

What do you think about "Multicultarism and Jewish Law"?

Didn't that concept bring about the 09/11 retaliatory attack? The Iraqi war? Possible Syrian - Iranian conflict?

What motivated the 9/11 hijackers? See testimony most didn't.

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LOL......we need to worry about the 9/11 killers' 'motivation'........?

they attacked and killed Americans.....that's all we fucking need to know....

the same goes for Israel....they have every right to retaliate against terrorists attempting to annilate them....

Hamburg Delenda Est

By John Galvin

September 20, 2001


by John Galvin

Let me explain to you the most fundamental principle of American foreign policy: Any country where the people have unpronounceable names can be bombed by the US with impunity. For you Rockwell readers who are a little slow on the uptake, "impunity" means they aren't allowed to bomb us back. "We called no tag-backs." It hardly qualifies as impunity when they blow up our biggest buildings, now does it? They aren't playing by the rules."

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so while someone is stabbing your wife to death you are going to worry about 'motivation'.....?