Following is a 3-minute clip revealing Muhammad Ali's beliefs concerning racial relations (in general). What's your best critique of what he has to say. Is he right? Is he wrong? Has your opinion of him changed as a result of the video?
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Following is a 3-minute clip revealing Muhammad Ali's beliefs concerning racial relations (in general). What's your best critique of what he has to say. Is he right? Is he wrong? Has your opinion of him changed as a result of the video?
I agree. Our soul knows when truth is spoken. It's where the term “ring of truth” comes from. We just sense it when we hear it.He is right and we know it but it isn´t woke or political correct. It is just nature. He doesn´t tell us to hate each other.
But things that are correct most of the time are better than things that are wrong most of the time. That's nature. Probably not a good idea to gamble because you will lose most of the time. Probably a good idea to be kind to strangers, which will have good results most of the time.Ali is wrong because he believes that as something works a lot of the time , even most of the time , that it s therefore right all of the time . A simple misuse and abuse of logic .
that it s therefore right all of the time
Why have you picked a few words with no meaning in themselves and obviously out of context ? And even if I can figure out what you have in mind , it is precisely what I was disagreeing with Ali about . So any disagreement you may have is with him .When is it wrong?
Why have you picked a few words with no meaning in themselves and obviously out of context ? And even if I can figure out what you have in mind , it is precisely what I was disagreeing with Ali about . So any disagreement you may have is with him .
There was a significant difference between his personal views in the 1960's through the early 1970"s when he was in his 20"s, (which is when the interview in the link took place) versus his views in later decades as he aged and his world view evolved.
After his conversion from The Nation of Islam to Sunni Islam, in 1975, the most significant change in him, were his views on race and and unity between races.What were some of those significant differences?
After his conversion from The Nation of Islam to Sunni Islam, in 1975, the most significant change in him, were his views on race and and unity between races.
The attached article elaborates in more detail.
Here is an excerpt from it:
"The Nation of Islam taught that White people were devils," Ali wrote in 2004. "I don't believe that now; in fact, I never really believed that. … But when I was young, I had seen and heard so many horrible stories about the White man that this made me stop and listen."
I did have some personal observations, I assumed that you wanted some documented proof, so my mistake.I know the things that are readily available and easily googled.
I was thinking you had some personal observations.
Thanks.
I personally believe that both races can live in peace as long as they're free to live near and associate with the folks they're the most comfortable being around. Blacks should have a haven where they can live away from whites. Many of them openly hate whites and blame their ills or shortcomings on whites. Whites, too, should have havens where they are free to live apart from blacks. Many of them don't like blacks due to their culture and lifestyle and propensity towards violence (in general).Ali was not all that intelligent but he had several gifts besides his boxing abilities....he had good common sense, very charismatic and I think he would have made a great black politician or even President....he would have been much, much better than Obama....as it would have most anyone.
It was unfortunate that it took time for him to evolve from his earlier beliefs and association with the black racists.
I do think it is impossible though for Blacks and Whites to ever live peacefully and equitably in the same society as Abraham Lincoln also understood.
The most we can hope for is to prolong as long as possible our descent into racial chaos where it appears we are headed which will result in the demise of America....the real racists are using blacks to destroy America....we have gone too far down that road to be able to recover and return to the beliefs that made America great.
I did have some personal observations, I assumed that you wanted some documented proof, so my mistake.
When I first met Ali in 1967 when I was an amateur boxer, it was during the time that he was exiled from the ring, and it was obviously a turbulent time in the country.
He was 25 years old and obviously angry at not being able to make a living.
His only source of income were his speaking engagements, where he spoke on behalf of the Nation of Islam and during that time he was generally hated by many.
The next time that I saw him and spoke to him was after his fight against George Foreman in Zaire, in 1974.
He had matured, and within that time frame, when his license to box was reinstated in 1971, he had become very close friends with a bare knuckle fighter in the UK named Paddy Monaghen, who worked tirelessly to help him return to the ring.
Through that association he made many trips to the UK to visit Paddy and his family.
Paddy has since passed away, however I am very good friends with his son to this day.
Years later after Ali retired, I saw him for the last time in 2008, and what stood out most during that conversation was how he had matured and saw the world differently at that time versus when we first met in 1967.
He spoke at length about love for his fellow man and wanting world peace.
He even playfully punched me in the chest and said "See, I've still got it, and I'm going shock the world by coming back and winning the title again".
That is a fond memory that I always enjoy thinking about.
We lived quite peacefully for a long time under segregation....at least down south though there were many unfortunate incidents.I personally believe that both races can live in peace as long as they're free to live near and associate with the folks they're the most comfortable being around. Blacks should have a haven where they can live away from whites. Many of them openly hate whites and blame their ills or shortcomings on whites. Whites, too, should have havens where they are free to live apart from blacks. Many of them don't like blacks due to their culture and lifestyle and propensity towards violence (in general).
For the folks who think integration is the answer, they, too, should have areas where they can congregate and live near one another.
One thing that should NOT occur is government enforced integration. Forcing anyone, regardless of race, to do things against their will is tyranny.
Thanks.
I was too young to witness Ali in his prime, but my father was a huge fan. Because of him and his stories of Ali I too became a fan.
What my father loved most about Ali was his willingness to stand for what he believes no matter the cost.
That and the fact he believed Ali was the greatest fighter of all time. He knew a thing or two about boxing and fighting in general as he was an amateur fighter also.
He once fought Bernard Taylor before he became a pro.
Who gives a fuck about boxing?I remember Bernard quite well.
He was really slick and smooth.
As far as Ali's place in history as a fighter, I believe that he was absolutely the greatest heavyweight ever, but IMO, the greatest FIGHTER across all weight classes was Sugar Ray Robinson.
In fact, he was Ali's idol, and when Ali turned pro, he literally begged Ray to become his trainer.
My dad was a fighter as well, and was captain of the Navy boxing team when he served.
Growing up, he was a huge Joe Louis fan, but in later years he became a believer in Ali.
Especially after we traveled to Zaire together to see him fight George Foreman. He talked about that fight for the rest of his life.