More proof liberalism has failed.

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  1. EdwardBaiamonte
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    During the 20th Century liberalism grew from almost nothing to huge, huge proportions and yet BO wants yet another huge step up into socialized medicine for even more of the population.

    If liberalism worked there would less need for more and more welfare! Of course the more liberalism fails the more liberalism is needed, or so the liberals think. We are in a cycle just like Stalin was in with each failed 5 year plan giving rise to yet another plan to correct the previous failed plan.

    Why not just admit that our Founders were right. Freedom works while liberalism fails.
     
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    If any of their silly programs actually worked, they'd have fewer and fewer voters.

    The end game is total dependency.
     
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    yes I'm afraid you're right. The trend is all too obvious but liberals lack the IQ to see it. Let even one liberal come forward and tell us how big is big?
     
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    I think if US raised the taxes on high income earners it would solved a lot of your problems. The taxes on the poor and the middle class are ok. But the rich contributes to little to the welfare.

    So USs problem is basically to low taxes on the rich. EDWARD the government needs more money.
     
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    too stupid and European. We tax our rich more than any other country already while the bottom 50% pay no taxes
    The top 1% pay 40 % of all federal taxes. If you tax away venture capital there are fewer ventures like Apple and Google! Is that really over your head? To boom the economy you need far lower taxes. If anything tax the bottom more since they leech but don't contribute to the system's growth


    good for you!!! perfect absolute ignorance. Are you proud?? See above


    actually its the opposite. It is not the government who invents new products and got us from the stone age to here. They only interfere and so need less.

    also, please note how you lacked the IQ to address the points of my post
     
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    Socialized Medicine is way more efficient then free market health care. Not only does socialized medicine cost less but it offers better quality services. This is evident by every 1st world country that has socialized medicine has half the costs yet better healthcare outcomes.
    But even if you ignore the evidence from the whole world and just look at America you'd find that socialized medicine is still better. The VA which is total socialized cost 40% less yet provides 30% more/better quality of care. Medicare also provide better care at half the cost.
    Really you're just a brainwashed dumbass who refuse to accept reality because you're to pathetic to admit that you're world views are based on complete fabrications
     
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    Monopolies are never ever less costly, deliver better service or are more efficient than the free market...Not even when that monopoly is your lord and master, the federal gubmint.
     
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    The United states has one of the lowers top marginal tax rates in the 1st world (note that this data does not include tax loopholes/deductions meaning America has one of the lowers top effective rates in the world) When you include data on loopholes/deduction Americas top effective rate is around 20% Half that of most 1st world countries.
    Highest Marginal Tax Rate, Individual Rate % statistics - countries compared - Taxation data on NationMaster
    Again no dumbass they don't pay INCOME taxes. The chances are that you don't pay income taxes because if you make 35,000 or less in income you pay no income taxes.
    The poorest 20% of Americans pay over 17% of their income in taxes.
    Who Pays Taxes in America?

    Damn you're wrong again how surprising The top 1% only pays 21% of total taxes.
    Who Pays Taxes in America?

    Furthermore the very rich pay less in taxes the poor people. The poorest 20% of 9 Things The Rich Don't Want You To Know About Taxes
    ^The bottom 50% of American have a 35% higher effective tax rate compared to wages then the richest 400 Americans.


    One Chart Shows Obama Is Right About "Buffett Rule" - BlueOregon
    ^The average millionaire with 2/3rd income from investments pays 30% less taxes then someone making 50,000 a year.


    Actually all the evidence points toward higher taxes having higher GDP growth
    The top marginal income tax rate should be about 65%... | Angry Bear - Financial and Economic Commentary


    Clearly Edward is a brainwashed dumbass who has no clue what she is talking about
     
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    Make the taxes on "the rich" confiscatory (as Obama seeks to do) and pretty soon there'll be no "rich" to tax. They'll either have become poor or will have moved offshore.
     
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    Liberals figuratively beat their dog then wonder why it runs away.
     

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