More Americans own and carry guns, gun crime down 50% from 1993-2013

[2aguy]

So...how is this possible...the anti gun extremists have made their claims years that more guns would lead to more crime...specifically gun murder...and in each case where they complained about concealed carry or other self defense gun measures...they were wrong....

13 million Americans now carry guns for self defense...and the gun murder rate has gone down, not up.......

The anti gun extremists were wrong.......

Pew: Firearm-Related Homicides Down Nearly 50% from 20 Years Ago

On October 21, Pew Research Center released findings that show the annual rate of firearm-related homicides in America declined by nearly 50 percent between 1993 and 2013.


That’s the same time period in which The Washington Post (WaPo) reported that firearm ownership doubled in the United States.

The WaPo did not put a figure on the number of privately owned guns in America. Rather, they estimated that that average gun owner went from owning 4.1 guns in 1994 to owning 8.1 in 2013. Breitbart News used Congressional Research Numbers to show that this means the 192 million guns owned privately in 1994 grew to 310 million or more in 2009 and to an estimated 350 million in 2013.

And PEW Research shows that this surge in privately owned guns did not correlate with an increase in firearm-related homicides but with a plunge in the annual firearm-related homicide rate, which fell from 7 per 1oo,ooo Americans in 1993 to 3.6 per 100,000 in 2013.



Now..this might be the reason that the democrats have started to attack the police so viciously lately....they need the crime rates to go back up to try to restart their gun control agenda....we already saw this when obama and eric holder started the Fast ans Furious program to increase gun crime in Mexico by allowing American guns to be sold to Mexican drug cartels...sadly for them word got out and that stopped that approach...now they are using black lives matter to undermine the police.....

 

[Delta4Embassy]

My first thought is more people carrying cellphones with still and video capability too. Less likely to get away with public crime now than in '93.

 

[2aguy]

My first thought is more people carrying cellphones with still and video capability too. Less likely to get away with public crime now than in '93.

That helps...and better coordination of police resources using computers to track crime in various areas.....Rudy Guilianni did this in New York and it has spread around the country....

 

[Skylar]

My first thought is more people carrying cellphones with still and video capability too. Less likely to get away with public crime now than in '93.

I have more MP3s on my ipod in 2013 than 1993.

Take that crime!

 

[rightwinger]

My first thought is more people carrying cellphones with still and video capability too. Less likely to get away with public crime now than in '93.

Cameras and cellphones are having a bigger impact on crime than guns have

 

[rightwinger]

Gun nuts always use 1993 as their benchmark for tracking the drop in homicide rates

What they don't mention is homicide rates are dropping both in areas with tough gun laws and lax gun laws

1993 was the peak of the crack wars of the late 80s and early 90s. As the drug wars ended......homicide rates dropped

 

[Toro]

Crime is down in most developed countries, regardless of gun laws.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"More Americans own and carry guns, gun crime down 50% from 1993-2013"

This fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy.

 

[Skylar]

"More Americans own and carry guns, gun crime down 50% from 1993-2013"

This fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy.

There's no confusion. The OP knows the difference.

He just hopes you don't.

 

[rightwinger]

 

[LoneLaugher]

Every place that has lax gun laws has very little crime. Right?

 

[Skylar]

Yeah, the OP mixed up more gun per gun owning family with more families owning guns.

Not exactly the same thing, is it?

 

[2aguy]

Gun nuts always use 1993 as their benchmark for tracking the drop in homicide rates

What they don't mention is homicide rates are dropping both in areas with tough gun laws and lax gun laws

1993 was the peak of the crack wars of the late 80s and early 90s. As the drug wars ended......homicide rates dropped

And it is also the year that anti gunners said concealed carry laws would increase gun crime and gun murder…..and that didn't happen…….

As more Americans own and carry guns….13 million people now carry guns for self defense, our gun murder rate has gone down…….showing the anti gun extremists were wrong……

And guns do reduce crime, studies actually show this…and in particular…they reduce crime for the armed victim……..

 

[2aguy]

Sorry…the General Social Survey is run by an anti gunner……..and his survey asks people if they own guns…so what this shows is that gun owners are not telling people they own guns……the fact that gun ownership has increased is not shown in the GSS……..his method of collecting the data is wrong as well…….

 

[2aguy]

Yeah, the OP mixed up more gun per gun owning family with more families owning guns.

Not exactly the same thing, is it?

Wrong……more Americans own guns and it isn't just people buying more guns by the individual……people are not telling unknown people polling them that they own guns…not in this climate…..The anti gunners have to lie about this as much as they lie about all of the facts in the gun debate because the truth and reality are not going their way.

 

[2aguy]

Every place that has lax gun laws has very little crime. Right?

No…every place with tight gun laws have high crime…..just ask Chicago, Baltimore, L.A., D.C……...

 

[2aguy]

And besides the guy who runs the GSS stating he hoped his survey would help politicians pass more gun control…there is the fact that people aren't telling strange pollsters they own guns…and then there is the method of questioning…

Also…Gallup shows that gun ownership has remained the same…...

Are Americans Really Giving Up Their Guns?

THE MODE OF GUN OWNERSHIP DATA COLLECTION

Another element worth considering when measuring firearms or any other controversial indicator is the mode, or the method through which data are collected. While making no definitive statements surrounding which firm has the most accurate data collection method, Newport highlighted that mode effect could also potentially play a role in the differences observed in guns ownership statistics.

“There’s also what we call a mode effect and I believe…most of the GSS survey is done in person and, of course, our survey and everyone else’s are done on the phone,” he told TheBlaze. “If someone’s there in your living room asking [you questions] with a clip board…there could be a difference.”

Newport was clear that he wasn’t claiming a definite impact on results if and when someone collects data inside the home versus via telephone, however he did raise the mode as a possible explanatory factor. He said that testing this dynamic this would be necessary in order to make more informed and definitive decisions on the matter.

As for Smith, he confirmed that the GSS’s methodology and general mode of communication with respondents is in person. While the vast majority of studies are conducted in peoples’ homes, some individuals are reached outside of their houses (traveling salesmen and others who are regularly on the road). And another small portion of the sample is reached via phone. Overall, these outliers account for five to 10 percent of the sample, Smith told TheBlaze.

“Mode of communication is a factor although it’s a complex thing. It’s something that can vary,” he said. “It tends to be much more variable specific. [In] the vast majority [of scenarios]…you do get comparable results.”

Smith did note, though, that some complex questioning actually lends itself to in-person over telephone response-gathering. If one is collecting data about income, for instance, having show-cards and placards that show income intervals visually can be of assistance in getting the proper information.

Considering the impact of social and political discussion and the aura that accompanies in-person interviews (a more personal face-to-face engagement), one could reasonably assert that, depending on the issue, respondents could be intimidated or shy away from affirmatively answering something that they fear might make them look insensitive.

For example: Self-reporting ownership of an AR-15, especially in light of pressures following Sandy Hook, could, theoretically, be impacted by this dynamic.

 

[rightwinger]

Sorry…the General Social Survey is run by an anti gunner……..and his survey asks people if they own guns…so what this shows is that gun owners are not telling people they own guns……the fact that gun ownership has increased is not shown in the GSS……..his method of collecting the data is wrong as well…….

The survey is invalid because everyone knows gun owners are liars?

But they weren't liars in 1975 when 50% said they own guns