Avorysuds
Gold Member
But your tax system is still set up to where taxes can be brought up and lowered based on a "fair" scale in the future as the groundwork is still place suggesting the rich should pay more and the poor should pay near nothing while demanding more services.
Short of a Constitutional Amendment, any income tax system is going to be subject to possible future manipulation. No shit, Sherlock.
I'd like to see a set 10% tax on everyone. 100% un-avoidable. If you are not making enough to pay this tax then you prolly don't live on your own.
10% does not bring in enough money. So unless we are ALSO (simultaneously) ramming through some amazing laws that serve to dramatically CUT spending, 10% aint gonna suffice. I am all for proper cuts in spending. And that is where achieving agreement is going to get thorny as hell. Oh well. That's no reason not to get started.
In the end I see no point in talking about taxes as we run a 3.6 Trillion dollar deficit with no shift to cut spending in any meaningful way. Really all we have to do is require the federal Government have a balanced budget, that will fix taxes. 100% taxes on the rich won't fix that defect, meaning the middle class and poor are next for a tax increase, even at 100% tax across the board we still do not pay down our deficit, proving that more taxes are not the answer but a cut in spending is.
I am absolutely for addressing the cutting of spending. But as long as politicos think that can dip into the well, they will not get serious about spending cuts. They will instead just go deeper into debt and tax us at ever higher rates. So, as I noted above, we HAVE to do both at the same time.
I dismiss your class-warfare rhetoric out of hand.
As for the 10% number I honestly don't know where or what % it should be, I should have said that, and I thought about saying it.
Secondly I talked about how it's pointless talking about what % taxes should be, or taxes in general seeing that we borrow or pint the money anyways. Obama has done tax cuts and tax credits, re-passed the Bush era tax cuts but we are still spending out of control.
As for the class warfare comment that is not what I was going after. In the end you literally said you would tax the rich more and the poor far less (24% less). YOU in fact did set the stage for class warfare as duh, all taxes will be game for future Presidents.
In all, the main point is what is the point of taxes when there is no desire to balance the budget. It's all just for political games seeing as lowering taxes might bring in some more revenue but still not enough to cover the spending both Democrats and Republicans have together done, not to mention both Dems and Reps lower taxes. Dems at least talk about raising taxes to pay for thing, but once again its a game seeing that even at 100% they still cant pay down our growing debt.