Minutemen To Bush..Build a Fence or we Will!!

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    By ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN, Associated Press Writer
    Wed Apr 19, 10:46 PM ET




    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060420/ap_on_re_us/border_fence_minuteman_1
     
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    Well... I know what I'm going to be doing in May.

    I'm listening to this story right now on Fox.
     
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    You are aware, aren't you, that the people who attacked us were here legally and didn't come over the border, right? :scratch:

    But then again, Bush thought that the vigilantes were okay when it suited his purpose, so kinda pigeons coming home to roost.
     
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    That really is two seperate issues though. The fence is meant to keep out one kind of menace, while other measures need to be taken on those here legally that may pose a terrorist threat.

    This might actually be a good idea to have private enterprise do something that government doesn't want to acknowledge or pay for.
     
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    I think the issues are interrelated. They were encouraged to be vigilantes when they were given the nod for the border "patrols". That empowered them.

    I also don't believe in privatizing government functions, especially those which are really military in nature. We've seen how badly that can go wrong. And it's not appropriate, in my view, for a vigilante group to determine national policy as they would be doing here.

    And there are so many issues that are of greater importance when it comes to our security than a fence along the southern border... our ports, water and food sources, nuclear power plants, chemical plants....
     
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    No its paramount to the interest of most Americans to limit illegal immigration in order to establish a legal system for guestworkers.

    The minutemen are a symptom from the fact that both parties compete for the Latino votes. They sold out for power. Thats why against the wishes of a majority they were setting up the become legal for 2000$ program.

    The consequence would be a rush of 12 million more illegals.

    Your secure the port argument is hogwash. Sure they need to be secured more but do not excuse inaction on the Mexican border.

    I believe in privatizing some government function, not the army and police but pretty much the rest of it. People that can't be fired tend to be more ineffective. e.g. Germany.

    The government does not encourage vigilantes. They arrested a few idiots that overdid their patrol duty. But the minutemen adapted fast and keep it legal.
     
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    They're interrelated in that with the mexican border beign an "open door", anyone can simply stroll in, including someone of other than mexican descent.

    I think you may be a little confused here. The wall that's being proposed built by this group is "on private land" with "privage money". Not only is that legal, but it's needed. The government is turning a blind eye to the border disaster, so the border land owners have decided to take care of themselves. Fact of the matter is, both parties, repubs and dems are close to acting treasonous on this matter. They're both WHORING themselves out to the latino vote. I expect some rather surprizing upsets in upcoming elections.

    No there isn't. The massive flood of illegal aliens from mexico is the single most important issue this country faces today. And among the reasons why that's a fact includes national security.
     
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    as a protest rather than actually stopping illegal immigration...The East German wall did not stop fleeing East Germans...however the placement of land mines in no mans land did...so the wall would be an expensive protest and not effective...but I can see the anger to do something!
     
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    eh, the wall and other fortifications stopped thousands. East Germany used landmines and automatic maschinegun boxes too but a wall is the base defense to stop people from leaving.

    In this case its to stop illegals from coming in. Sure some might find ways to climb it but instead of thousands of crosings a day it would be only a hundred.
    Still you would need personal to guard the wall.
     

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