Millions Evacuated After Catastrophic Flooding Hits China, Pakistan

[RollingThunder]

Please tell us how monsoons have altered over the last 35 years Mr Weatherman.

Not my job to prove the OP isn't full of shit. I don't perform miracles.

Total nonsense non-answer......because he can't answer a simple question that debunks his bullshit claims that this flooding isn't extreme and unusual.

 

[daws101]

Please tell us how monsoons have altered over the last 35 years Mr Weatherman.

Not my job to prove the OP isn't full of shit. I don't perform miracles.

I'll take that as you talking out your ass always.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's the exact same mechanism that's caused all those post Katrina Cat 5 storms in the US Southeast

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Did we even have so called "monsoons" prior to the invention of the internal combustion engine?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Indian Monsoons Are Becoming More Extreme

Yeah, it is your job.

More BS. They just had a drought.
And like your brain, your link is busted.

 

[Treeshepherd]

Studies show monsoon rainfall has been decreasing in Asia.

Schewe and Levermann (2012) predicted the increasing temperature in the late 21st century and early 22nd century will cause frequent changes and shifts to the monsoon precipitation up to 70% below normal levels. Not only will this affect the Indian summer monsoon, but the onset of monsoon over Southeast Asia may also be delayed up to 15 days in the future as indicated by Ashfaq et al. (2009). Fig. 4a and b shows this extent of these distributional changes in the monsoon and of climate change extends to cause less precipitation in summer and a delay on the onset of the EASM. This will be detrimental to the Indian population as 75% of the total annual rainfall of India is from the summer monsoons. On the 24th of July 2004, the scenario was different as northeastern India and Bangladesh received an early monsoon onset and experienced maximum flooding that caused a death toll of approximately 1000 across South Asia (Coenraads, 2006).

Not to minimize the tragedy but 150 deaths in an Asian catastrophe is not extraordinary. Not a huge headline grabber.

 

[Treeshepherd]

At any rate the lead factor in monsoon variability would be shifting oceanic oscillations. The ENSO (El Nino Southern Oscillation) is where you would begin your weather autopsy.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Please tell us how monsoons have altered over the last 35 years Mr Weatherman.

Not my job to prove the OP isn't full of shit. I don't perform miracles.

Total nonsense non-answer......because he can't answer a simple question that debunks his bullshit claims that this flooding isn't extreme and unusual.

First of all, Einstein, Maching China is thousands of miles away from the Indian Ocean and has zero to do with monsoons.
Second, Einstein, you don't even post how much it rained in the Pakistan region monsoon. Typical for the unscientific morons to do that.

 

[Crick]

Indian Monsoons Are Becoming More Extreme

Yeah, it is your job.

More BS. They just had a drought.
And like your brain, your link is busted.

If you want to claim it's BS, you need to show that it's BS. The link works just fine for me. The article discusses extremes at BOTH ends of the monsoon cycle.

And if you're going to say now that monsoons have nothing to do with the Chinese and Pakistan flooding (this being the wet season for the Asian-Australian monsoons), you need to apologize for having suggested that the flooding was simply normal monsoon rainfall.

 

[Crick]

You repeatedly suggested that this flooding was normal monsoon rainfall. Now you say it isn't. Where I come from, that would earn YOU then title of "ASSHOLE"

As for datas:

Catastrophic floods have taken more than 150 lives in China and Pakistan this weekend after days of heavy rain.

In China, 128 have been killed and another 42 people have been reported missing according to figures released by the Ministry of Civil Affairs, China.org.cn reports.


A mudslide in Guizhou Province killed 23, state media told the BBC. Eight more people died in the city of Wuhan in Hubei Province when a section of a wall collapsed.

About 18 inches of rain fell in Macheng, China, in the four days ending 8 a.m. local time on Monday, said weather.com meteorologist Chris Dolce.

The rain collapsed more than 40,000 houses and forced the evacuation of nearly 1.5 million people in 11 regions, mostly along the Yangtze River and its distributaries, China.org.cn reports, and nearly 600,000 people are in urgent need of basic living assistance.

The rain has also destroyed more than 700,000 acres of crops, the Xinhua news agency reports. Floods and landslides are also affecting telecommunication and electricity facilities, halting or delaying traffic in some regions. The ministry estimated total economic losses of $5.73 billion.

State television on Saturday showed people using boats to navigate flooded streets in eastern Anhui province. Anhui's civil affairs department said 18 people have died and four are missing due to heavy rain since June 18.

Vice Premier Wang Yang warned last month that there was a high possibility of floods in the Yangtze River and Huai River basins this year, which equate to a large swath of China's southern, central and eastern areas.

In Pakistan, heavy monsoon rains and flash floods have claimed at least 30 lives and washed away a mosque and several houses in Ursoon, an area of Chitral.

Thirteen people are still missing in Chitral, the district’s deputy commissioner Usama Waraich told Gulf News, adding that authorities were evacuating some residents with more rain forecast Monday.

The mayor of Chitral district, Maghfirat Shah said the flash flooding hit as people were offering up special Ramadan prayers at the mosque. Dozens of worshippers were swept away in the floodwaters, which destroyed the mosque and damaged several nearby houses and a security post.

Afghan authorities also said they had recovered 13 bodies, including eight Pakistani soldiers, which had been swept over the border from Chitral into Afghanistan, Gulf News said.

The provincial chief minister, Pervez Khattak, expressed his grief over the tragedy and announced that the families would receive compensation of $300 for each loss of life. He said that he had given orders for disaster management officials to quickly provide the affected communities with tents, food, medicine and other relief goods.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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It seems you wouldn't recognize "data" if it slapped you across the face.

 

[Crick]

God are you stupid.

Do you think these 1.5 million people had never seen monsoon rain before? Do you think they evacuate every year and that hundreds die?

Here, have some more data you either won't understand or won't like

Time series analysis of the NI and CI δ18O records. : Trends and oscillations in the Indian summer monsoon rainfall over the last two millennia : Nature Communications : Nature Publishing Group

and ftp://cola.gmu.edu/pub/ctr/CTR314_ms.pdf : Extreme Events and Trends in the Indian Summer Monsoon

and http://www.tropmet.res.in/monsoon_workshop/23_pdf/ashok-monsoon-and-extremes-V2.pdf : Monsoon extremes, and relevance of ocean drivers

 

[daws101]

You repeatedly suggested that this flooding was normal monsoon rainfall. Now you say it isn't. Where I come from, that would earn YOU then title of "ASSHOLE"

As for datas:

Catastrophic floods have taken more than 150 lives in China and Pakistan this weekend after days of heavy rain.

In China, 128 have been killed and another 42 people have been reported missing according to figures released by the Ministry of Civil Affairs, China.org.cn reports.


A mudslide in Guizhou Province killed 23, state media told the BBC. Eight more people died in the city of Wuhan in Hubei Province when a section of a wall collapsed.

About 18 inches of rain fell in Macheng, China, in the four days ending 8 a.m. local time on Monday, said weather.com meteorologist Chris Dolce.

The rain collapsed more than 40,000 houses and forced the evacuation of nearly 1.5 million people in 11 regions, mostly along the Yangtze River and its distributaries, China.org.cn reports, and nearly 600,000 people are in urgent need of basic living assistance.

The rain has also destroyed more than 700,000 acres of crops, the Xinhua news agency reports. Floods and landslides are also affecting telecommunication and electricity facilities, halting or delaying traffic in some regions. The ministry estimated total economic losses of $5.73 billion.

State television on Saturday showed people using boats to navigate flooded streets in eastern Anhui province. Anhui's civil affairs department said 18 people have died and four are missing due to heavy rain since June 18.

Vice Premier Wang Yang warned last month that there was a high possibility of floods in the Yangtze River and Huai River basins this year, which equate to a large swath of China's southern, central and eastern areas.

In Pakistan, heavy monsoon rains and flash floods have claimed at least 30 lives and washed away a mosque and several houses in Ursoon, an area of Chitral.

Thirteen people are still missing in Chitral, the district’s deputy commissioner Usama Waraich told Gulf News, adding that authorities were evacuating some residents with more rain forecast Monday.

The mayor of Chitral district, Maghfirat Shah said the flash flooding hit as people were offering up special Ramadan prayers at the mosque. Dozens of worshippers were swept away in the floodwaters, which destroyed the mosque and damaged several nearby houses and a security post.

Afghan authorities also said they had recovered 13 bodies, including eight Pakistani soldiers, which had been swept over the border from Chitral into Afghanistan, Gulf News said.

The provincial chief minister, Pervez Khattak, expressed his grief over the tragedy and announced that the families would receive compensation of $300 for each loss of life. He said that he had given orders for disaster management officials to quickly provide the affected communities with tents, food, medicine and other relief goods.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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It seems you wouldn't recognize "data" if it slapped you across the face.

What a moron. He thinks casualty counts is environmental data.

What are you doing in this forum? Go to the kiddie pool.

Because they are.

 

[skookerasbil]

meh

Flooding has been happening since the beginning of time. Some years catastrophic..........some years not. These bozo's make out that this flooding is some new phenomena, like severe drought!!

Chronology of Extreme Weather

Heres a little smidge to display what a crock of shit this thread is............



1889
January 16

• In Cloncurry, Queensland, an Australian record hot temperature of 128 degrees F (53 degrees C) is recorded. [1] [54]

February 8

• Flood ravages Dutch coast. [1]

May 31

• Johnstown Flood; 2,209 die in Pennsylvania, USA. [1]

June 12

• Single tornado kills 119, injures 146 (New Richmond, Wisconsin, USA). [1]

1891
July 5

• Hail kills six horses in Rapid City, South Dakota. [1]

1892
February 7

• In Verkhoyansk, Russia, an Asian record cold temperature of -90 degrees F is recorded. [54]

1893
October 1

• Third worst hurricane in US history kills 1,800 (Mississippi). [1]

1894
December 22

• Dutch coast hit by hurricane. [1]

1895
February 11

• -17 degrees F (-27.2 degrees C) in Braemar, Grampian (United Kingdom record). [1]

1896
May 15

• Tornado kills 78 in Texas. [1]

May 27

• First major tornado to strike urban US (Saint Louis and East Saint Louis, Missouri); kills 255 and leaves thousands homeless. [1]

June 16

• Temperature hits 127 degrees F at Fort Mojave, California. [1]

1897
June 24

• Hail injures 26 in Topeka, Kansas, USA. [1]

July 27

• 37.5 cm (14.75 inches) of rainfall in Jewell, Maryland, USA (state 24-hour record). [1]

1899
June 29

• Brazo River in Texas, USA, floods 12 miles wide causing $10 million in damage. [1]

1900
September 8

• 6,000 killed when a hurricane and tidal wave destroy Galveston, Texas, most deadly in US history. [1]

1902
March 28

• 27.9 cm precipitation at McMinnville, Tennessee, USA (state record). [1]

1905
February 8

• Cyclone hits Tahiti and adjacent islands, killing some 10,000 people. [1]

December 11

• 120 degrees F (49 degrees C), Rivadavia, Argentina (South American record). [1]

1906
March 6

• Heavy storm bursts dike, flooding Vlissingen, Netherlands. [1]

March 12

• Heavy storm ravages Dutch west coast. [1]

1907
March 19

• 18.8cm precipitation at Lewer's Ranch, Nevada, USA (state record). [1]

June 1

• -27 degrees F (-33 degrees C), Sarmiento, Argentina (South American record low). [1]

1908
May 1

• World's most intense rain shower (2.47 inches in 3 minutes) at Portobelo, Panamá. [1]

1909
November 23

• 18.2 cm (7.17 inches) of rainfall, in Rattlesnake Creek, Idaho (state record). [1]

1910
March 1

• An avalanche of snow hits two trains stranded for seven days outside the Cascade Tunnel below Stevens Pass, near Wellington, Washington, USA, killing 96. Deadliest avalanche in US history. [1] [377.13]

1911
July 15

• 46 inches of rain (beginning July 14) falls in Baguio, Phillipines. [1]

1913
March 21

• Flood in Ohio, USA, kills 400. [1]

March 26

• City of Dayton, Ohio almost destroyed when Scioto, Miami, and Muskingum Rivers reach flood stage simultaneously. [1]

July 10

• The highest temperature ever recorded in the United States is at Death Valley, California: 134 degrees F (56.7 C). [1] [5]

1915
June 27

• 100 degrees F (38 degrees C), Fort Yukon, Alaska (state record). [1]

August 17

• Hurricane kills 275 in Galveston, Texas with $50 million damage. [1] [245.4]

September 29

• A hurricane claims 275 human deaths in the Mississippi Delta. [1]

December 21

• 25.83 cm (10.17 inches) of rainfall, in Glenora, Oregon (state record). [1]

1916
January 23

• Temperature falls from 44 degrees F (7 degrees C) to -56 degrees F (49 degrees C) night of January 23-24, in Browning, Montana, USA. [1]

July 15

• 22.22 inches of rain falls in Altapass, North Carolina, USA. [1]

1917
March 23

• Four-day series of tornadoes kills 211 in Midwest USA. [1]

1918
July 22

• Lightning kills 504 sheep in Utah's Wasatch National Park. [1]

1919
September 18

• Hurricane tides 16 feet above normal drown 280 along Gulf Coast. [1]

1920
April 20

• Tornadoes kill 219 in Alabama and Mississippi, USA. [1]

1921
June 3

• A sudden cloudburst kills 120 near Pikes Peak, Colorado, USA. [1]

1922
September 13

• 136.4 degrees F (58 degrees C), El Aziziyah, Libya in shade (world record). [1]

1923
July 10

• 2-pound hailstones kill 23 and many cattle (Rostov, Russia). [1]

1924
June 28

• Tornado strikes Sandusky and Lorain in Ohio, USA, killing 93. [1]

1925
March 18

• Eight 60-MPH tornadoes speed through Missouri, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, and Tennessee killing 689. [1]

1926
January 1

• Flood in Rhine strikes Cologne, Germany. [1]

September 18

• Hurricane hits Miami and south Florida, USA, destroying hotels, piers, marinas, mansions built in preceding years. 400 killed, 50,000 made homeless. [1] [341.116]

1927
November 3

• Tropical storm flooding kills 84 in Winooski River Valley (Vermont, USA). [1]

November 17

• Tornado hits Washington DC. [1]

1928
May 1

• Six children die and ten injured by hailstones in Klausenburg, Romania. [1]

July 6

• World's largest hailstones 1.5 pounds (17 inch diameter) fall in Potter, Nebraska, USA. [1] [5]

September 17

• Hurricane hits Lake Okeechobee, Florida, USA drowning 1,800-2500. [1]

1930
May 13

• Farmer killed by hail in Lubbock, Texas, USA; this is the only known fatality due to hail. [1]

June 13

• 22 people killed by hailstones in Siatista, Greece. [1]

September 3

• Hurricane kills 2,000, injures 4,000 (Dominican Republic). [1]

1931
May 10

• Golf ball size hail falls in Burlington, New Jersey, USA. [1]

July 16

• The Huang He floods kill between 850,000 and 4,000,000 people (the deadliest historic natural disaster). [429]

August 31

• The Yangtze River floods, leaving 23 million homeless. [429]

September 10

• The worst hurricane in Belize history kills an estimated 1,500 people. [429]

1932
February 9

• US airship Columbia crashes during storm (Flushing, New York). [1]

June 19

• Hailstones kill 200 in Hunan Province, China. [1]

November 9

• Hurricane storm wave sweeps over Santa Cruz del Sur, Cuba; kills 2,500. [1]

1933
February 6

• Highest recorded sea wave (not tsunami), 34 metres (112 feet), in Pacific hurricane near Manila, Philippines. [1]

August 11

• Temperature reaches 136 degrees F (58 degrees C) at San Luis Potosí, Mexico (world record). [1] [614.8]

November 11

• "Great Black Blizzard" first great dust storm in the Great Plains of the USA. [1]

1934
April 12

• Highest velocity wind ever recorded on Mount Washington, New Hampshire, 231 mph. [1]

May 11

• Over two days, the most severe dust storm to date in the USA sweeps an estimated 350 million tons of topsoil from the Great Plains across to the eastern seaboard. [129]

September 21

• Typhoon strikes Honshu Island, Japan, kills 4,000. [1]

1935
February 11

• -11 degrees F (-24 degrees C), Ifrane, Morocco (African record low). [1]

April 15

• Another massive dust storm in the USA becomes known as "Black Sunday". [129]

September 2

• A hurricane slams the Florida Keys killing 423. [1]

October 25

• Hurricane-produced floods kill 2,000 in Jeremie and Jacmel, Haiti. [1]

1936
April 5

• Tupelo, Mississippi, USA virtually annihilated by a tornado, 216 die. [1]

April 6

• Tornado kills 203 and injures 1,800 in Gainesville, Georgia, USA. [1]

July 13

• A Midwestern U.S. heat wave sets the all-time highest temperature records for Wisconsin (46 C), Michigan (44 C), and Indiana (47 C). [1] [5]

1938
March 2

• Landslides and floods in Los Angeles, California, USA cause over 200 deaths. [1]

September 21

• Hurricane (winds 183 MPH) in New England (Long Island, New York, New Jersey) kills 500-700, wrecking tens of millions of dollars in property. [1] [500.E10]

1939
March 10

• Seventeen villages damaged by hailstones in Hyderabad, India. [1]

May 5

• Flash floods kill 75 in Northeast Kentucky, USA. [1]

December 12

• Soviet prison ship Indigirka, carrying 2,500 prisoners capsizes in blizzard off Japanese coast; 2,470 die. [1]

1940
November 12

• Blizzard strikes midwestern US, 154 die (69 on boat on Great Lakes). [1]

1941
March 15

• Blizzard in North Dakota kills 151. [1]

March 16

• Blizzard hits North Dakota and Minnesota killing 60. [1]

May 25

• 5,000 drown in a storm at Ganges Delta region in India. [1]

1942
January 27

• -19 degrees F (-27.4 degrees C), Netherlands' coldest day since 1850. [1]

April 27

• Tornado destroys Pryor, Oklahoma, USA killing 100, injuring 300. [1]

June 12

• Tornado kills 35 in Oklahoma City, USA. [1]

June 21

• 129 degrees F (54 degrees C), Tirat Zevi, Israel (Asian record). [1]

July 17

• 3 feet of rain falls on Pennsylvania, flooding kills 15. [1]

October 16

• Cyclone in Bay of Bengal kills some 40,000 south of Calcutta, India. [1]

1943
January 20

• Temperature in Lead, South Dakota is 52 degrees F, while 1.5 miles away Deadwood, South Dakota records -16 degrees F. [1]

January 22

• Temperature rises 49 degrees F (9 degrees C) in two minutes in Spearfish, South Dakota, USA. [1]

1944
June 23

• Four tornadoes strike Appalachia, killing 153. [1]

December 18

• US Destroyers Hull, Spence, and Monaghan sink in typhoon off Philippines, 790 killed. [1]

Year

• Global mean surface temperature at peak highest point since accurate measurements in 1880, beginning of gradual decline. [58]

1945
September 16

• Barometric pressure at 856mb (25.55 inches) off Okinawa, Japan (record low). [1]

1946
April 1

• Tsunamis generated by an earthquake in Aleutian Trench strike Hilo, Hawaii. [1]

1947
February 3

• -81 degrees F (-63 degrees C) in Snag, Yukon (North American record). [1]

April 9

• Tornadoes striking West Texas and Oklahoma kill 169, injuring 1,300. [1]

May 5

• Mississippi Valley flooding kills 16 and causes $850 million in damage. [1]

July 22

• -8 degrees F (-13 degrees C), Charlotte Pass, New South Wales (Australian record). [1]

December 26

• Heavy snow blankets Northeast USA, buries New York City under 25.8 inches of snow in 16 hours; the same day, Los Angeles sets a record high of 84 degrees F. [1]

1949
July 31

• Lightning strikes a baseball field in Florida, kills the shortstop and third baseman. [1]

How about..............severe duh

 

[Weatherman2020]

God are you stupid.

Do you think these 1.5 million people had never seen monsoon rain before? Do you think they evacuate every year and that hundreds die?

Here, have some more data you either won't understand or won't like

Time series analysis of the NI and CI δ18O records. : Trends and oscillations in the Indian summer monsoon rainfall over the last two millennia : Nature Communications : Nature Publishing Group

and ftp://cola.gmu.edu/pub/ctr/CTR314_ms.pdf : Extreme Events and Trends in the Indian Summer Monsoon

and http://www.tropmet.res.in/monsoon_workshop/23_pdf/ashok-monsoon-and-extremes-V2.pdf : Monsoon extremes, and relevance of ocean drivers

Mr Antiscience can't tell us how much it rained.
Likely doesn't know what a monsoon is.

 

[Crick]

As I suspected, fails to understand the data provided.

You seem to be rejecting the idea that this has been an extreme monsoon event and that as global temperatures have risen, monsoon extremes - both wet and dry - have become more common. You being a weatherman and a self-proclaimed fan of science and all, I have to assume that view is based on some evidence. Why haven't you presented any here? All we've heard from you are personal insults. Is THAT how science works?

 

[Weatherman2020]

As I suspected, fails to understand the data provided.

You seem to be rejecting the idea that this has been an extreme monsoon event and that as global temperatures have risen, monsoon extremes - both wet and dry - have become more common. You being a weatherman and a self-proclaimed fan of science and all, I have to assume that view is based on some evidence. Why haven't you presented any here? All we've heard from you are personal insults. Is THAT how science works?

You don't even have a clue as to how much it rained yet make wild claims about manmade global warming.

Get out of this forum and leave it for people who follow science.

 

[Billy_Bob]

let me see...

Paleo records show that the monsoons are cyclical in their strength and duration.. Flooding of these areas happens once every 100 or so years. So its a known problem and not an unusual event...

Now comes an alarmist Chicken Little crying that it is somehow new and worse than ever before, yet the evidence says it is not....

Just more alarmist drivel, lies, and attempted deception to get people to give up their rights, because it must be caused by man..

Ignorant fuck tard!

 

[Billy_Bob]

Please tell us how monsoons have altered over the last 35 years Mr Weatherman.

Not my job to prove the OP isn't full of shit. I don't perform miracles.

Total nonsense non-answer......because he can't answer a simple question that debunks his bullshit claims that this flooding isn't extreme and unusual.

Love the double talk... You always like to try and force others to do your own work, covering up your deceptions... Even the authors of the paper admit that their assumptions are based on failed modeling.. There is no factual observed empirical evidence to support their claims. But you blew right past that fact... Moron!

 

[LaDexter]

and, oh by the way, we are still in all time record territory for no CAT 3 or higher strikes on the US - more than 10 years and counting - the STARTING POINT being ALL THE WARMER NOISE after Katrina.

Warmers said Katrina was "just the beginning." In reality, it was the beginning of the BIGGEST DROUGHT OF CANES ON RECORD.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There must be a left and right handed version of the CO2 molecule; it's the same atoms, but one version causes floods, the other droughts