"messianic" Iran war

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    Israel ex-spy warns against "messianic" Iran war - Yahoo! News

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A former Israeli spymaster has branded the country's leaders unfit to tackle the Iranian nuclear program because of what he called the "messianic feelings" behind their threats to launch a pre-emptive war on Iran.

    Other veterans have come out against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak recently, but the criticism from former domestic intelligence chief Yuval Diskin was especially strong.

    "I have no faith in the prime minister, nor in the defense minister," Diskin, who stepped down as head of the Shin Bet a year ago, said in a speech partly broadcast by Israel Radio on Saturday.

    "I really don't have faith in a leadership that makes decisions out of messianic feelings."
     
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    It was cash belonging to Iran

    The first thing to know about the latest controversy over theIran nuclear deal is that the Obama administration did not pay $400 million in “ransom” to secure the release of three American detainees. Yet that’s the story critics are peddling in another attempt to discredit an agreement that has done something remarkable — halted a program that had put Iran within striking distance of producing a nuclear weapon.

    The truth is that the administration withheld the payment to ensure Iran didn’t renege on its promise to free three detainees — a Washington Post journalist, a Marine veteran and a Christian pastor. That’s pragmatic diplomacy not capitulation.

    The controversy erupted when The Wall Street Journalreported that the United States delivered $400 million in cash to Iranian officials after Tehran released the American detainees. It has provided an irresistible opportunity for Iran-bashing and Obama-bashing.

    What really happened was this: President Obama announced the $400 million payment along with the release of the Americans in January, the day that the nuclear deal was implemented. But the money was part of a separate negotiation over funds the United States has owed Iran since its 1979 Islamic Revolution.

    At that time, Washington froze Iranian assets in the United States, including money paid by Tehran for military hardware that the United States never delivered after its ally there, the shah, was overthrown. In 1981, the two countries agreed that a tribunal at The Hague would adjudicate the legal claims.
    The United States and Iran have wrestled with this issue for decades, but efforts to reach a settlement intensified once the two sides began work on the nuclear deal. Tribunal decisions are binding, and the administration concluded it would lose at The Hague; in addition to $400 million, Iran was seeking billions of dollars in accumulated interest.
    The United States was not the only country facing a legal defeat with Iran. Earlier this month, Switzerland’s highestcourt ordered Israel to pay Iran around $1.1 billion plus interest in a dispute over an oil pipeline company that was set up in the 1960s.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/23/opinion/the-fake-400-million-iran-ransom-story.html?mcubz=0&_r=0
     
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    If anything the messianic fervor
    decisions are done by some Iran figures like the former Amadinijad and not Israeli elect.
    Iran is not as difficult to solve as one might assume.
    The people of Iran generally hate the Regimes, they don't like the Ayatollah and the control the religious rulers have and in many cases have asked Israel for help to topple them.
    Many possible scenarios like backing the tribal opponents, and or taking out the Ayatollah who finances the terrorism and the regime heads and allow moderates to regain control of democratic elections no longer financed by the cloaked religious zealots and no longer supressed by political imprisonment.
    In other words, just like in Iraq the avg citizen will see it as a liberation, freedom, no longer taxed to pay for subversive proxy wars, no longer spending money on weapons for hamas, no more supporting terrorist or other nations. Now they can focus on getting themselves where they could and should be in a more stable existence.
     

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