Mass Shooting in Nova Scotia

[buttercup]

Canadians are not citizens. They are subjects.

The government can fuck them and take away their rights any way they want.

Yeah, and based on most of the Canadians I've encountered, I'm sure they will willingly and eagerly go along with that, if / when it does happen.

 

[beagle9]

It’s certainly not a time to be so disgusting as to politicize this.

What kind of sick monster would do that?

A denture maker. I finally got another article to pull up.

We had a guy recently go door to door and kill six. He was an old vet with a drinking problem; the victims were all up to their eyeballs in drugs/dealing. The adage around here when there is a shooting is "drugs." Always.
But a denture maker?

WTF? That is horrifying. Was is close to you?

Very. We were disgusted by it, but he did all but one shooting inside and it was only during the last, when he winged a neighbor who heard the shots and came outside, that the police were called and we knew anything about it. The guy then drove into town and went to the American Legion Hall, which is his drinking hangout, ordered a beer and told them to call the cops, that he just shot six people. Went quietly. So no, except for a few minutes on the scanner when rumors were flying amuck, we weren't scared. I was at work and the receptionist carries, so we pretty much just carried on 'til the cops said "Got him."

Will you please post if there is any way to help those affected? I’m sure the people who post here would like to be able to contribute however we can.

Colonel, I'm sure their friends and family took care of them; tight knit community. But that's kind.

Surely, but if you see anything, please post it. This is awful.

Thanks.

>> Nova Scotia RCMP responded to numerous 911 calls about a gun-related incident late Saturday night in the small community of Portapique, 33 kilometres west of Truro, N.S.​

​

Police said at a news conference late Sunday afternoon that they found "several" casualties inside and outside a residence, but no suspect.​

​

Police secured the area and began a search that led to multiple sites in the area, including structures on fire. They eventually pursued the suspect across several Nova Scotia communities. The province's police watchdog, the Serious Incident Response Team (SIRT), named the village of Shubenacadie as the site of a "serious criminal event."​

​

Crimes were scattered over at least 50 kilometres, police said. The suspect used his gun during the rampage, but may have used "other methods" as well, said RCMP Chief Supt. Chris Leather.​

​

Leather said that "in excess of 10 people" were killed and at least two people were injured. RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki later raised the death toll to at least 13, not including the gunman.​

​

The only named victim so far is RCMP veteran Const. Heidi Stevenson, who police say was killed Sunday morning responding to the incident. The married mother of two had been with the force for 23 years.​

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Police said a male RCMP officer was among the injured, but didn't release his name. His injuries are not life-threatening, Leather said.​

​

He said the civilian deaths appeared to be at least partly random.​

​

... The chase for Wortman eventually made its way to one of Nova Scotia's busiest highways. It ended near a gas station in Enfield, about 35 kilometres from Halifax, where police officers shot Wortman. SIRT said in a news release Sunday night that he died at the scene.​

​

There were half a dozen police vehicles at the gas station. Yellow police tape surrounded the gas pumps, and a large silver-coloured SUV was being investigated.​

​

What we don't know​

An exact death toll: Because there were so many crime scenes, Leather said he didn't know what the final death toll will be. It's also unclear how many people were injured, except that it was at least two. << --- CBC​

Sounds like if someone had a gun, then things may have been different as far as innocent lives being saved.

Or would you rather see the average citizen totally defenseless as these poor souls were ??

Ahhh if some of these poor souls would have had something to defend themselves with, maybe things would have been a little bit different. Hopefully it would have been, but still yet those Nazi's were ruthless killers along with their henchmen.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Sure am glad nobody was able to shoot back. Ensured nobody was killed in the "crossfire."

 

[beagle9]

It’s certainly not a time to be so disgusting as to politicize this.

What kind of sick monster would do that?

A denture maker. I finally got another article to pull up.

We had a guy recently go door to door and kill six. He was an old vet with a drinking problem; the victims were all up to their eyeballs in drugs/dealing. The adage around here when there is a shooting is "drugs." Always.
But a denture maker?

WTF? That is horrifying. Was is close to you?

Very. We were disgusted by it, but he did all but one shooting inside and it was only during the last, when he winged a neighbor who heard the shots and came outside, that the police were called and we knew anything about it. The guy then drove into town and went to the American Legion Hall, which is his drinking hangout, ordered a beer and told them to call the cops, that he just shot six people. Went quietly. So no, except for a few minutes on the scanner when rumors were flying amuck, we weren't scared. I was at work and the receptionist carries, so we pretty much just carried on 'til the cops said "Got him."

Will you please post if there is any way to help those affected? I’m sure the people who post here would like to be able to contribute however we can.

Colonel, I'm sure their friends and family took care of them; tight knit community. But that's kind.

Surely, but if you see anything, please post it. This is awful.

Thanks.

>> Nova Scotia RCMP responded to numerous 911 calls about a gun-related incident late Saturday night in the small community of Portapique, 33 kilometres west of Truro, N.S.​

​

Police said at a news conference late Sunday afternoon that they found "several" casualties inside and outside a residence, but no suspect.​

​

Police secured the area and began a search that led to multiple sites in the area, including structures on fire. They eventually pursued the suspect across several Nova Scotia communities. The province's police watchdog, the Serious Incident Response Team (SIRT), named the village of Shubenacadie as the site of a "serious criminal event."​

​

Crimes were scattered over at least 50 kilometres, police said. The suspect used his gun during the rampage, but may have used "other methods" as well, said RCMP Chief Supt. Chris Leather.​

​

Leather said that "in excess of 10 people" were killed and at least two people were injured. RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki later raised the death toll to at least 13, not including the gunman.​

​

The only named victim so far is RCMP veteran Const. Heidi Stevenson, who police say was killed Sunday morning responding to the incident. The married mother of two had been with the force for 23 years.​

​

​

​

Police said a male RCMP officer was among the injured, but didn't release his name. His injuries are not life-threatening, Leather said.​

​

He said the civilian deaths appeared to be at least partly random.​

​

... The chase for Wortman eventually made its way to one of Nova Scotia's busiest highways. It ended near a gas station in Enfield, about 35 kilometres from Halifax, where police officers shot Wortman. SIRT said in a news release Sunday night that he died at the scene.​

​

There were half a dozen police vehicles at the gas station. Yellow police tape surrounded the gas pumps, and a large silver-coloured SUV was being investigated.​

​

What we don't know​

An exact death toll: Because there were so many crime scenes, Leather said he didn't know what the final death toll will be. It's also unclear how many people were injured, except that it was at least two. << --- CBC​

Wish they could have used some sort of non-lethal way of capturing him, that way they could have given him an introduction to a noose.

 

[Pogo]

It’s certainly not a time to be so disgusting as to politicize this.

What kind of sick monster would do that?

A denture maker. I finally got another article to pull up.

We had a guy recently go door to door and kill six. He was an old vet with a drinking problem; the victims were all up to their eyeballs in drugs/dealing. The adage around here when there is a shooting is "drugs." Always.
But a denture maker?

WTF? That is horrifying. Was is close to you?

Very. We were disgusted by it, but he did all but one shooting inside and it was only during the last, when he winged a neighbor who heard the shots and came outside, that the police were called and we knew anything about it. The guy then drove into town and went to the American Legion Hall, which is his drinking hangout, ordered a beer and told them to call the cops, that he just shot six people. Went quietly. So no, except for a few minutes on the scanner when rumors were flying amuck, we weren't scared. I was at work and the receptionist carries, so we pretty much just carried on 'til the cops said "Got him."

Will you please post if there is any way to help those affected? I’m sure the people who post here would like to be able to contribute however we can.

Colonel, I'm sure their friends and family took care of them; tight knit community. But that's kind.

Surely, but if you see anything, please post it. This is awful.

Thanks.

>> Nova Scotia RCMP responded to numerous 911 calls about a gun-related incident late Saturday night in the small community of Portapique, 33 kilometres west of Truro, N.S.​

​

Police said at a news conference late Sunday afternoon that they found "several" casualties inside and outside a residence, but no suspect.​

​

Police secured the area and began a search that led to multiple sites in the area, including structures on fire. They eventually pursued the suspect across several Nova Scotia communities. The province's police watchdog, the Serious Incident Response Team (SIRT), named the village of Shubenacadie as the site of a "serious criminal event."​

​

Crimes were scattered over at least 50 kilometres, police said. The suspect used his gun during the rampage, but may have used "other methods" as well, said RCMP Chief Supt. Chris Leather.​

​

Leather said that "in excess of 10 people" were killed and at least two people were injured. RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki later raised the death toll to at least 13, not including the gunman.​

​

The only named victim so far is RCMP veteran Const. Heidi Stevenson, who police say was killed Sunday morning responding to the incident. The married mother of two had been with the force for 23 years.​

​

​

​

Police said a male RCMP officer was among the injured, but didn't release his name. His injuries are not life-threatening, Leather said.​

​

He said the civilian deaths appeared to be at least partly random.​

​

... The chase for Wortman eventually made its way to one of Nova Scotia's busiest highways. It ended near a gas station in Enfield, about 35 kilometres from Halifax, where police officers shot Wortman. SIRT said in a news release Sunday night that he died at the scene.​

​

There were half a dozen police vehicles at the gas station. Yellow police tape surrounded the gas pumps, and a large silver-coloured SUV was being investigated.​

​

What we don't know​

An exact death toll: Because there were so many crime scenes, Leather said he didn't know what the final death toll will be. It's also unclear how many people were injured, except that it was at least two. << --- CBC​

Sounds like if someone had a gun, then things may have been different as far as innocent lives being saved.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because when you see your house is on fire, the first thing to do is grab some gasoline.

SMH

 

[Pogo]

Gotta love the way Fox Noise lets its audience know it's "Nova Scotia, Canada", so they know we're not talking about "Nova Scotia, Paraguay". They know their audience.

Tell Hollywood too. Yes Hollywood...I was pretty sure that was Paris France...the French accents gave it away... besides if it was Paris Texas there'd be more Stetsons.

Hollywood California or Hollywood Florida?

 

[Pogo]

Wow, eh. That's three mass shootings in Canada today, eh?

 

[White 6]

Wow, eh. That's three mass shootings in Canada today, eh?

Wow! What in the world sends the owner of a denture clinic over the edge, to go from town to town killing 16 people, then go the the American Legion Hall to have a beer? You just don't here of any mad dog dentists, even in America.

 

[SweetSue92]

Wait this couldn't have happened in Canada because they have All the Best Gun Laws and every time there's a shooting in America they bring all the Snooty Canucks here to lecture us.

So I know I'm not reading this right now.

Correct?

(Condolences to the families of the lost. As we know humans are humans wherever you are and some of them are rotten)

 

[beautress]

Protect your country!

Hey look - it was a white male who was the killer.

Just like you, jitler!

Two out of three Canadian men are white males, Mr. Toro. You better not pout.

 

[2aguy]

The point is this.....they have strict gun control laws in Canada but they didn't stop this guy from going on a killing spree that killed 16 people....or was it 15, did they include the shooter or was he captured..........they have lots of guns in Canada, but few mass public shootings...

So......it isn't the access to guns that is the issue....their people do not engage in mass public shootings......

In the U.S. we had 10 mass public shootings in 2019......10 individuals out of over 350 million people...600 million guns in private hands and over 18 million people able to carry guns for self defense.....access to guns isn't the issue........mental health is the issue....but that doesn't empower left wingers to grab guns......

 

[2aguy]

Canada isn't "gun free," moron.

He-he, but Canada DOES have strict gun control laws, eh? Funny how that most areas or cities that have THE strictest gun laws, ALSO have the highest rates of gun crimes. This is ESPECIALLY true here in the US. A bit funny, eh?

Guess it will be funny once it dawns on you that the reason those place have such laws is because they already had high gun crimes.

Or in the case of Canada, because they have them right next door, eh?

He-he! We have QUITE limited gun laws here in Valparaiso, Indiana. We've had ONE, yes, just ONE shooting death in almost TEN YEARS since I moved back here. And THAT one lone shooting death was reported as the result of a domestic dispute. Try again, Pogo, you're failing MISERABLY on these threads as of late.

That flew over your head huh.

OK so take Valpariso. Please. Imagine over the next, say, year or two gun crimes start soaring. The city decides to shore up its gun laws. Crime continues, because gun laws don't address those root causes. Then some USMB wanker walks up and goes "oh look, Valpariso has these strict gun laws and yet they have all this gun crime".

=OR= Look at it the opposite way. You have "QUITE limited gun laws" (whatever that means, I'll take your word for it), BECAUSE you haven't had that experience that would spur them.

Sometimes I forget how far I have to dumb down around here to be understood.

"Cause" / "Effect". Know the difference. You can't just notice that in the winter my pipes don't burst and conclude that therefore it doesn't get cold enough to burst them. The ACTUAL reason they don't burst is that years ago they DID burst because it absolutely gets cold enough, and when they did I replaced them all with Pex Pipe. See where ass-sumptions take your ass?

Is this all too deep for ya? Should I look for even smaller words?

Moron.....cause and effect....?

More Americans own and carry guns........yet our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%.....our violent crime rate went down 72%......

Our problem isn't access to guns.....since the above truth shows that more guns do not mean more gun crime.......

Our problem here is that democrat party politicians allow violent criminals to get out of jail with weak laws and sentencing guidelines, implemented by democrat party judges and prosecutors.......that is the direct link between our gun crime rate and democrat party policies.....

In city after city where you find gun crime rates through the roof, you find a revolving door policy of catching violent felons with guns, the prosecutors plea bargain away the gun charges and the judges give them bail and then light sentences....that is the problem...not access to gun by law abiding people....

You doofu.

 

[2aguy]

It’s certainly not a time to be so disgusting as to politicize this.

What kind of sick monster would do that?

A denture maker. I finally got another article to pull up.

We had a guy recently go door to door and kill six. He was an old vet with a drinking problem; the victims were all up to their eyeballs in drugs/dealing. The adage around here when there is a shooting is "drugs." Always.
But a denture maker?

WTF? That is horrifying. Was is close to you?

Very. We were disgusted by it, but he did all but one shooting inside and it was only during the last, when he winged a neighbor who heard the shots and came outside, that the police were called and we knew anything about it. The guy then drove into town and went to the American Legion Hall, which is his drinking hangout, ordered a beer and told them to call the cops, that he just shot six people. Went quietly. So no, except for a few minutes on the scanner when rumors were flying amuck, we weren't scared. I was at work and the receptionist carries, so we pretty much just carried on 'til the cops said "Got him."

Will you please post if there is any way to help those affected? I’m sure the people who post here would like to be able to contribute however we can.

Colonel, I'm sure their friends and family took care of them; tight knit community. But that's kind.

Surely, but if you see anything, please post it. This is awful.

Thanks.

>> Nova Scotia RCMP responded to numerous 911 calls about a gun-related incident late Saturday night in the small community of Portapique, 33 kilometres west of Truro, N.S.​

​

Police said at a news conference late Sunday afternoon that they found "several" casualties inside and outside a residence, but no suspect.​

​

Police secured the area and began a search that led to multiple sites in the area, including structures on fire. They eventually pursued the suspect across several Nova Scotia communities. The province's police watchdog, the Serious Incident Response Team (SIRT), named the village of Shubenacadie as the site of a "serious criminal event."​

​

Crimes were scattered over at least 50 kilometres, police said. The suspect used his gun during the rampage, but may have used "other methods" as well, said RCMP Chief Supt. Chris Leather.​

​

Leather said that "in excess of 10 people" were killed and at least two people were injured. RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki later raised the death toll to at least 13, not including the gunman.​

​

The only named victim so far is RCMP veteran Const. Heidi Stevenson, who police say was killed Sunday morning responding to the incident. The married mother of two had been with the force for 23 years.​

​

​

​

Police said a male RCMP officer was among the injured, but didn't release his name. His injuries are not life-threatening, Leather said.​

​

He said the civilian deaths appeared to be at least partly random.​

​

... The chase for Wortman eventually made its way to one of Nova Scotia's busiest highways. It ended near a gas station in Enfield, about 35 kilometres from Halifax, where police officers shot Wortman. SIRT said in a news release Sunday night that he died at the scene.​

​

There were half a dozen police vehicles at the gas station. Yellow police tape surrounded the gas pumps, and a large silver-coloured SUV was being investigated.​

​

What we don't know​

An exact death toll: Because there were so many crime scenes, Leather said he didn't know what the final death toll will be. It's also unclear how many people were injured, except that it was at least two. << --- CBC​

Sounds like if someone had a gun, then things may have been different as far as innocent lives being saved.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because when you see your house is on fire, the first thing to do is grab some gasoline.

SMH

Hey...shitstain.......when you have a forest fire...what do the fireman do to stop it from spreading......? They start fires .....you moron........

Remember the Texas church shooting.......the attacker was killed in 6 seconds by an armed civilian...............

And, you idiot.......

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[2aguy]

Oops. There goes Canada's Right To Keep and Bear Arms.

Multiple victims in Canada shooting by suspect who was dressed as police officer, officials say

Following a manhunt, Canadian police have arrested a suspect in a Nova Scotia shooting after multiple victims were found.

Gabriel Wortman, 51, was taken into custody on Sunday after a pursuit throughout the Canadian province, Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) said.

Wortman was believed to be wearing a police uniform and driving a police vehicle, but is not employed by the RCMP, according to the police.

Multiple victims in Canada shooting by suspect who was dressed as police officer, officials say

Heeerrre's Shooty...

Canada has a lot of guns.....few mass public shootings...but their problem, like ours, is they are letting violent criminals out of jail.....

EDITORIAL: Politicians silent on street check ban increasing gun crime

The fact gang and gun violence in Toronto has skyrocketed since police were banned from doing street cheeks makes them uncomfortable, lest they be accused of racism by anti-police activists if they acknowledge it.

And so at City Hall and Queen’s Park they ignore reality, saying they’re hiring more police officers, implementing new shift schedules to more effectively deploy the force and investing more money in policing and programs to address the root causes of violence.

Despite that, since street checks were banned in 2014, the number of shootings compared to 2019 is up by 178%, victims by 218% and shooting homicides by 63%.

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Last week, recently retired police officer Sue Fisher, on the force for almost 32 years, told the Sun’s Sue-Ann Levy that the end of street checks allowed the “bad guys to take over … there’s no longer that fear (among the criminal element.)”

Today, Fisher said, officers are often running from shooting to shooting after the fact, as opposed to doing proactive policing, like street checks, to gather intelligence to prevent shootings before they occur.

Why Gun Violence Is Surging In Toronto



According to Canada's government statistics agency, gun violence overall rose by more than 40% in Canada between 2013 and 2017, with much of that increase driven by incidents in Toronto.

Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders says that the city's recent gun violence has been connected to gang activity.

In a press conference in August, he said the Raptors incident and the August shootings "by and large have street gang connotations to them," pointing to the gang membership of the victims and those arrested. There is a thriving gang culture in Toronto centered on the illegal drug trade, largely in the city's poorer outer suburbs.


LILLEY: Gun in cop cruiser shows why bans don’t work with criminals

Ali Showbeg is now the poster child for why Justin Trudeau’s proposed gun bans simply won’t work.

If you haven’t heard of Showbeg, maybe you’ve heard of what he did. After being arrested for impaired driving on Oct. 27 in Toronto, Showbeg was caught on camera maneuvering himself to the point where he popped a handgun out of his clothing and dropped it right in his crotch.

Thank goodness the man was clearly intoxicated and not in a mood for fighting or things could have been much worse for the officers transporting him. As in, they could have been dead.
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As Joe Warmington reported when the event became public, Showbeg was not exactly a stranger to police. He was arrested and charged with attempted murder in 2005 for an incident that saw a car shot up in Toronto’s north end.

In 2006, he faced firearms charges that resulted in a lifetime gun ban.

So how, given that he is subject to a lifetime gun ban, did Ali Showbeg get a gun and then get that gun into the back of a squad car?

I mean, surely he would have known he was banned from owning a gun. Surely he would have known he has never taken the required safety course and passed the test to get a gun licence. So how could he have gotten a gun?

The same way the 38 year-old did when he was a much younger 23 year-old. He bought it illegally.

 

[ColonelAngus]

It’s certainly not a time to be so disgusting as to politicize this.

What kind of sick monster would do that?

A denture maker. I finally got another article to pull up.

We had a guy recently go door to door and kill six. He was an old vet with a drinking problem; the victims were all up to their eyeballs in drugs/dealing. The adage around here when there is a shooting is "drugs." Always.
But a denture maker?

WTF? That is horrifying. Was is close to you?

Very. We were disgusted by it, but he did all but one shooting inside and it was only during the last, when he winged a neighbor who heard the shots and came outside, that the police were called and we knew anything about it. The guy then drove into town and went to the American Legion Hall, which is his drinking hangout, ordered a beer and told them to call the cops, that he just shot six people. Went quietly. So no, except for a few minutes on the scanner when rumors were flying amuck, we weren't scared. I was at work and the receptionist carries, so we pretty much just carried on 'til the cops said "Got him."

Will you please post if there is any way to help those affected? I’m sure the people who post here would like to be able to contribute however we can.

Colonel, I'm sure their friends and family took care of them; tight knit community. But that's kind.

Surely, but if you see anything, please post it. This is awful.

Thanks.

>> Nova Scotia RCMP responded to numerous 911 calls about a gun-related incident late Saturday night in the small community of Portapique, 33 kilometres west of Truro, N.S.​

​

Police said at a news conference late Sunday afternoon that they found "several" casualties inside and outside a residence, but no suspect.​

​

Police secured the area and began a search that led to multiple sites in the area, including structures on fire. They eventually pursued the suspect across several Nova Scotia communities. The province's police watchdog, the Serious Incident Response Team (SIRT), named the village of Shubenacadie as the site of a "serious criminal event."​

​

Crimes were scattered over at least 50 kilometres, police said. The suspect used his gun during the rampage, but may have used "other methods" as well, said RCMP Chief Supt. Chris Leather.​

​

Leather said that "in excess of 10 people" were killed and at least two people were injured. RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki later raised the death toll to at least 13, not including the gunman.​

​

The only named victim so far is RCMP veteran Const. Heidi Stevenson, who police say was killed Sunday morning responding to the incident. The married mother of two had been with the force for 23 years.​

​

​

​

Police said a male RCMP officer was among the injured, but didn't release his name. His injuries are not life-threatening, Leather said.​

​

He said the civilian deaths appeared to be at least partly random.​

​

... The chase for Wortman eventually made its way to one of Nova Scotia's busiest highways. It ended near a gas station in Enfield, about 35 kilometres from Halifax, where police officers shot Wortman. SIRT said in a news release Sunday night that he died at the scene.​

​

There were half a dozen police vehicles at the gas station. Yellow police tape surrounded the gas pumps, and a large silver-coloured SUV was being investigated.​

​

What we don't know​

An exact death toll: Because there were so many crime scenes, Leather said he didn't know what the final death toll will be. It's also unclear how many people were injured, except that it was at least two. << --- CBC​

Sounds like if someone had a gun, then things may have been different as far as innocent lives being saved.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because when you see your house is on fire, the first thing to do is grab some gasoline.

SMH

Hey...shitstain.......when you have a forest fire...what do the fireman do to stop it from spreading......? They start fires .....you moron........

Remember the Texas church shooting.......the attacker was killed in 6 seconds by an armed civilian...............

And, you idiot.......

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations
at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

I will never forget shopping at the Walmart in Castle Rock Colorado and seeing an old rancher. He had the Stetson and boots and spurs and a 6 shooter on his hip. My sons were alarmed by seeing the mans gun so open in public. I told them that is a GOOD GUY and we are safer in the store because of him.

Seeing that click in their heads was amazing.

 

[2aguy]

It’s certainly not a time to be so disgusting as to politicize this.

What kind of sick monster would do that?

A denture maker. I finally got another article to pull up.

We had a guy recently go door to door and kill six. He was an old vet with a drinking problem; the victims were all up to their eyeballs in drugs/dealing. The adage around here when there is a shooting is "drugs." Always.
But a denture maker?

WTF? That is horrifying. Was is close to you?

Very. We were disgusted by it, but he did all but one shooting inside and it was only during the last, when he winged a neighbor who heard the shots and came outside, that the police were called and we knew anything about it. The guy then drove into town and went to the American Legion Hall, which is his drinking hangout, ordered a beer and told them to call the cops, that he just shot six people. Went quietly. So no, except for a few minutes on the scanner when rumors were flying amuck, we weren't scared. I was at work and the receptionist carries, so we pretty much just carried on 'til the cops said "Got him."

Will you please post if there is any way to help those affected? I’m sure the people who post here would like to be able to contribute however we can.

Colonel, I'm sure their friends and family took care of them; tight knit community. But that's kind.

Surely, but if you see anything, please post it. This is awful.

Thanks.

>> Nova Scotia RCMP responded to numerous 911 calls about a gun-related incident late Saturday night in the small community of Portapique, 33 kilometres west of Truro, N.S.​

​

Police said at a news conference late Sunday afternoon that they found "several" casualties inside and outside a residence, but no suspect.​

​

Police secured the area and began a search that led to multiple sites in the area, including structures on fire. They eventually pursued the suspect across several Nova Scotia communities. The province's police watchdog, the Serious Incident Response Team (SIRT), named the village of Shubenacadie as the site of a "serious criminal event."​

​

Crimes were scattered over at least 50 kilometres, police said. The suspect used his gun during the rampage, but may have used "other methods" as well, said RCMP Chief Supt. Chris Leather.​

​

Leather said that "in excess of 10 people" were killed and at least two people were injured. RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki later raised the death toll to at least 13, not including the gunman.​

​

The only named victim so far is RCMP veteran Const. Heidi Stevenson, who police say was killed Sunday morning responding to the incident. The married mother of two had been with the force for 23 years.​

​

​

​

Police said a male RCMP officer was among the injured, but didn't release his name. His injuries are not life-threatening, Leather said.​

​

He said the civilian deaths appeared to be at least partly random.​

​

... The chase for Wortman eventually made its way to one of Nova Scotia's busiest highways. It ended near a gas station in Enfield, about 35 kilometres from Halifax, where police officers shot Wortman. SIRT said in a news release Sunday night that he died at the scene.​

​

There were half a dozen police vehicles at the gas station. Yellow police tape surrounded the gas pumps, and a large silver-coloured SUV was being investigated.​

​

What we don't know​

An exact death toll: Because there were so many crime scenes, Leather said he didn't know what the final death toll will be. It's also unclear how many people were injured, except that it was at least two. << --- CBC​

Sounds like if someone had a gun, then things may have been different as far as innocent lives being saved.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because when you see your house is on fire, the first thing to do is grab some gasoline.

SMH

Hey...shitstain.......when you have a forest fire...what do the fireman do to stop it from spreading......? They start fires .....you moron........

Remember the Texas church shooting.......the attacker was killed in 6 seconds by an armed civilian...............

And, you idiot.......

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations
at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

I will never forget shopping at the Walmart in Castle Rock Colorado and seeing an old rancher. He had the Stetson and boots and spurs and a 6 shooter on his hip. My sons were alarmed by seeing the mans gun so open in public. I told them that is a GOOD GUY and we are safer in the store because of him.

Seeing that click in their heads was amazing.

I am still waiting for someone to make a western style pistol that is DA/SA with a side swing out cylinder.........I like the look of the SA army style pistols...and the Schofields.....but I don't like how they work. You could also modernize the hammer spur, make it smaller and maybe even make it a little more tactical in color......same style with a modern update....you could even keep the loading gate for those who like the old fashioned way to load.....the best of both worlds...

 

[Pogo]

Canada isn't "gun free," moron.

He-he, but Canada DOES have strict gun control laws, eh? Funny how that most areas or cities that have THE strictest gun laws, ALSO have the highest rates of gun crimes. This is ESPECIALLY true here in the US. A bit funny, eh?

Guess it will be funny once it dawns on you that the reason those place have such laws is because they already had high gun crimes.

Or in the case of Canada, because they have them right next door, eh?

He-he! We have QUITE limited gun laws here in Valparaiso, Indiana. We've had ONE, yes, just ONE shooting death in almost TEN YEARS since I moved back here. And THAT one lone shooting death was reported as the result of a domestic dispute. Try again, Pogo, you're failing MISERABLY on these threads as of late.

That flew over your head huh.

OK so take Valpariso. Please. Imagine over the next, say, year or two gun crimes start soaring. The city decides to shore up its gun laws. Crime continues, because gun laws don't address those root causes. Then some USMB wanker walks up and goes "oh look, Valpariso has these strict gun laws and yet they have all this gun crime".

=OR= Look at it the opposite way. You have "QUITE limited gun laws" (whatever that means, I'll take your word for it), BECAUSE you haven't had that experience that would spur them.

Sometimes I forget how far I have to dumb down around here to be understood.

"Cause" / "Effect". Know the difference. You can't just notice that in the winter my pipes don't burst and conclude that therefore it doesn't get cold enough to burst them. The ACTUAL reason they don't burst is that years ago they DID burst because it absolutely gets cold enough, and when they did I replaced them all with Pex Pipe. See where ass-sumptions take your ass?

Is this all too deep for ya? Should I look for even smaller words?

Moron.....cause and effect....?

More Americans own and carry guns........yet our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%.....our violent crime rate went down 72%......

Our problem isn't access to guns.....since the above truth shows that more guns do not mean more gun crime.......

Our problem here is that democrat party politicians allow violent criminals to get out of jail with weak laws and sentencing guidelines, implemented by democrat party judges and prosecutors.......that is the direct link between our gun crime rate and democrat party policies.....

In city after city where you find gun crime rates through the roof, you find a revolving door policy of catching violent felons with guns, the prosecutors plea bargain away the gun charges and the judges give them bail and then light sentences....that is the problem...not access to gun by law abiding people....

You doofu.

While you're looking up "cause and effect" be sure to look up "claim and burden of proof". Then go on to the grammar section where we find out how to capitalize proper names, let alone SPELL them.

 

[Pogo]

Wait this couldn't have happened in Canada because they have All the Best Gun Laws and every time there's a shooting in America they bring all the Snooty Canucks here to lecture us.

So I know I'm not reading this right now.

Correct?

(Condolences to the families of the lost. As we know humans are humans wherever you are and some of them are rotten)

Nope, not correct. Because it's got nothing to do with "laws" and never did. Has everything to do with Culture.

We live in an established culture of violence and death, based around the penis-shaped bullet. We're indoctrinated into it from childhood from TV commercials for toy guns to comic books "celebrating" gunslingers of the "old west". Canada doesn't have that legacy. MOST cultures don't have that shit. Then plug in a major Masculinity Crisis (guess what gender virtually all mass shooters comprise) and you have a recipe for mayhem. You can pass or not pass all the laws you want, it doesn't change that culture. As long as that culture demands worship of Almighty Gun with its attendant blood and carnage, those immersed in it will commit that carnage, laws or no laws.

Lemme see if I can dredge up an old thread of mine on this, the topic upon which I joined this site, right between the Jacksonville and Sandy Hook shootings.

EDIT - here ya go, no thanks to the site search box -- had to Google to find it. This is from a few years ago, begin paste:

I give you two cities, split by a river, kinda like Minneapolis and St. Paul are but this is a different pair of cities.

Obviously being next to each other, these cities have much in common regionally, climatically, industrially and so on. They are less than a mile apart, connected by a bridge and a tunnel. But the two cities show a stark difference in one area.

The city to the west recorded 377 total homicides in 2011 and 327 in 2010, according to police statistics(1), carrying a homicide rate of around 50 per 100,000 people
Across the bridge in the same time period, there was a total of one. For both years put together. A rate of 0.30. From September 27, 2009 to November 22, 2011 in that city, there were no murders at all. Zero.

What's going on here?

One of them is in Canada. The cities are Detroit and Windsor.

I haven't determined how many of those homicides were committed by firearm, but for a guide, out of 386 Detroit homicides in 2012, 333 were by firearm. Over 86%. (1)

And the one murder that finally broke the 2011 streak in Windsor? It was a stabbing.

People in his city of about 215,000 have a saying, Blaine said Friday afternoon: "In Windsor, when a 7-Eleven is held up, it usually is a knife. In Detroit, it is an Uzi."

It's not that there's no crime in Windsor, an industrial city that has seen its own economic challenges. "We're no different than any other major metropolitan area," Corey said. (here)

704 to 1 in homicide; several hundred to zero in gun deaths.
Detroit: at or near the highest murder rate in its country; Windsor: lowest in its country.
Less than a mile apart.

What's driving the difference? Gun control? Or gun culture?

Resources/further reading:​

(1) 2012 Crime/Homicide Stats​

​

(2) Freep.com 1/3/13​

​

A Tale of Two Cities​

​

Murder-Free Two Years​

The fault lies not in our guns but in ourselves. To our values we are underlings.

{end paste}

 

[Pogo]

It’s certainly not a time to be so disgusting as to politicize this.

What kind of sick monster would do that?

A denture maker. I finally got another article to pull up.

We had a guy recently go door to door and kill six. He was an old vet with a drinking problem; the victims were all up to their eyeballs in drugs/dealing. The adage around here when there is a shooting is "drugs." Always.
But a denture maker?

WTF? That is horrifying. Was is close to you?

Very. We were disgusted by it, but he did all but one shooting inside and it was only during the last, when he winged a neighbor who heard the shots and came outside, that the police were called and we knew anything about it. The guy then drove into town and went to the American Legion Hall, which is his drinking hangout, ordered a beer and told them to call the cops, that he just shot six people. Went quietly. So no, except for a few minutes on the scanner when rumors were flying amuck, we weren't scared. I was at work and the receptionist carries, so we pretty much just carried on 'til the cops said "Got him."

Will you please post if there is any way to help those affected? I’m sure the people who post here would like to be able to contribute however we can.

Colonel, I'm sure their friends and family took care of them; tight knit community. But that's kind.

Surely, but if you see anything, please post it. This is awful.

Thanks.

>> Nova Scotia RCMP responded to numerous 911 calls about a gun-related incident late Saturday night in the small community of Portapique, 33 kilometres west of Truro, N.S.​

​

Police said at a news conference late Sunday afternoon that they found "several" casualties inside and outside a residence, but no suspect.​

​

Police secured the area and began a search that led to multiple sites in the area, including structures on fire. They eventually pursued the suspect across several Nova Scotia communities. The province's police watchdog, the Serious Incident Response Team (SIRT), named the village of Shubenacadie as the site of a "serious criminal event."​

​

Crimes were scattered over at least 50 kilometres, police said. The suspect used his gun during the rampage, but may have used "other methods" as well, said RCMP Chief Supt. Chris Leather.​

​

Leather said that "in excess of 10 people" were killed and at least two people were injured. RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki later raised the death toll to at least 13, not including the gunman.​

​

The only named victim so far is RCMP veteran Const. Heidi Stevenson, who police say was killed Sunday morning responding to the incident. The married mother of two had been with the force for 23 years.​

​

​

​

Police said a male RCMP officer was among the injured, but didn't release his name. His injuries are not life-threatening, Leather said.​

​

He said the civilian deaths appeared to be at least partly random.​

​

... The chase for Wortman eventually made its way to one of Nova Scotia's busiest highways. It ended near a gas station in Enfield, about 35 kilometres from Halifax, where police officers shot Wortman. SIRT said in a news release Sunday night that he died at the scene.​

​

There were half a dozen police vehicles at the gas station. Yellow police tape surrounded the gas pumps, and a large silver-coloured SUV was being investigated.​

​

What we don't know​

An exact death toll: Because there were so many crime scenes, Leather said he didn't know what the final death toll will be. It's also unclear how many people were injured, except that it was at least two. << --- CBC​

Sounds like if someone had a gun, then things may have been different as far as innocent lives being saved.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because when you see your house is on fire, the first thing to do is grab some gasoline.

SMH

Hey...shitstain.......when you have a forest fire...what do the fireman do to stop it from spreading......? They start fires .....you moron........

Remember the Texas church shooting.......the attacker was killed in 6 seconds by an armed civilian...............

And, you idiot.......

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

See what I mean? Speak of the devil and it shows up.
GUN CULTURE, writ long and tediously. All hail Almighty Gun, our Lord and Savior.

 

[Pogo]

It’s certainly not a time to be so disgusting as to politicize this.

What kind of sick monster would do that?

A denture maker. I finally got another article to pull up.

We had a guy recently go door to door and kill six. He was an old vet with a drinking problem; the victims were all up to their eyeballs in drugs/dealing. The adage around here when there is a shooting is "drugs." Always.
But a denture maker?

WTF? That is horrifying. Was is close to you?

Very. We were disgusted by it, but he did all but one shooting inside and it was only during the last, when he winged a neighbor who heard the shots and came outside, that the police were called and we knew anything about it. The guy then drove into town and went to the American Legion Hall, which is his drinking hangout, ordered a beer and told them to call the cops, that he just shot six people. Went quietly. So no, except for a few minutes on the scanner when rumors were flying amuck, we weren't scared. I was at work and the receptionist carries, so we pretty much just carried on 'til the cops said "Got him."

Will you please post if there is any way to help those affected? I’m sure the people who post here would like to be able to contribute however we can.

Colonel, I'm sure their friends and family took care of them; tight knit community. But that's kind.

Surely, but if you see anything, please post it. This is awful.

Thanks.

>> Nova Scotia RCMP responded to numerous 911 calls about a gun-related incident late Saturday night in the small community of Portapique, 33 kilometres west of Truro, N.S.​

​

Police said at a news conference late Sunday afternoon that they found "several" casualties inside and outside a residence, but no suspect.​

​

Police secured the area and began a search that led to multiple sites in the area, including structures on fire. They eventually pursued the suspect across several Nova Scotia communities. The province's police watchdog, the Serious Incident Response Team (SIRT), named the village of Shubenacadie as the site of a "serious criminal event."​

​

Crimes were scattered over at least 50 kilometres, police said. The suspect used his gun during the rampage, but may have used "other methods" as well, said RCMP Chief Supt. Chris Leather.​

​

Leather said that "in excess of 10 people" were killed and at least two people were injured. RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki later raised the death toll to at least 13, not including the gunman.​

​

The only named victim so far is RCMP veteran Const. Heidi Stevenson, who police say was killed Sunday morning responding to the incident. The married mother of two had been with the force for 23 years.​

​

​

​

Police said a male RCMP officer was among the injured, but didn't release his name. His injuries are not life-threatening, Leather said.​

​

He said the civilian deaths appeared to be at least partly random.​

​

... The chase for Wortman eventually made its way to one of Nova Scotia's busiest highways. It ended near a gas station in Enfield, about 35 kilometres from Halifax, where police officers shot Wortman. SIRT said in a news release Sunday night that he died at the scene.​

​

There were half a dozen police vehicles at the gas station. Yellow police tape surrounded the gas pumps, and a large silver-coloured SUV was being investigated.​

​

What we don't know​

An exact death toll: Because there were so many crime scenes, Leather said he didn't know what the final death toll will be. It's also unclear how many people were injured, except that it was at least two. << --- CBC​

Sounds like if someone had a gun, then things may have been different as far as innocent lives being saved.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because when you see your house is on fire, the first thing to do is grab some gasoline.

SMH

Hey...shitstain.......when you have a forest fire...what do the fireman do to stop it from spreading......? They start fires .....you moron........

Remember the Texas church shooting.......the attacker was killed in 6 seconds by an armed civilian...............

And, you idiot.......

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations
at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

I will never forget shopping at the Walmart in Castle Rock Colorado and seeing an old rancher. He had the Stetson and boots and spurs and a 6 shooter on his hip. My sons were alarmed by seeing the mans gun so open in public. I told them that is a GOOD GUY and we are safer in the store because of him.

Seeing that click in their heads was amazing.

And how did you confirm that ass - sumption?